Game of Thrones: Season 8 - Page 8

That guy actually is speaking/sounds like the GoT writers murdered his first born, the degree to how much emotional investment ppl put in tv series is funny.

I find it weird that such a successful tv show doesn't just throw endless piles of money to a group of excellent writers after G.R.Martin's books ended. Half the stuff the raging guy mentions in that video could have been easily avoided.
Arya killing the NK like that feels a bit weird and anticlimactic (too soon I guess), maybe that will change after we've seen all the episodes. I wonder what Jon Snow's actual story arc is

On May 02 2019 18:13 Spitfiree wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...reat_war_isnt_over_spoilers_extended/ when a fan theory is lightyears ahead of the screenwriters of the show :/

I don't like to think of these as theories, because they are 0% to be true. I just like to think of them as alternate realties where Benioff/Weiss don't ruin the story over the final 13 episodes.

It's really good, and most of the stuff I've seen on reddit (I don't lurk there, just see linked threads from time to time) is excellent and makes me wonder why they didn't consult with more superfans or hire them as writers alongside GRRM to wrap up the story in the best way possible.

Well some of the fan theories from season 5 on have been insanely good !
However non of them did come true...
So i a agree with Daut that the chance of this theorys being true are roughly ~ 0%

on the 30minute or so hate video .....

I heavily agree with some parts and strongly disagree with others.....
I think he has almost as many mistakes in his thinking as that episode had in its logic.

Just a small example are the Trebuchets .
He complains why they only fire fucking 2 times and do nothing for the rest of the first 20 minutes ?

This isnt Age of Empires 2 where a Trebuchet has 0.5 attacks per second......
In fact in real life a Trebuchet needs ~ 20 minutes reloading inbetween 2 shots.... thats why they are very good for attacking and terrible for defence IRL
So them firing only 2 shoots in the first 20 minutes is exactly how often they would shoot in reality.

I also disagree with his views about bran as i have allready pointed out in some posts before why i think its 100% legit bran acts the way he does
most people have a missconception about what bran has become...
He is the god of knowledge not the God of winning wars for the good people....

I also strongly disagree that GoT was about White Walkers and the fantasy war against evil more than about politics and "realistic medieval human wars"
He says the white walkers have been built up since Episode1 Season 1....
I disagree.... In my opinion the white walkers always had very little screen time and got almost no depth at all during the previous 7 seasons....
They were always some distant magical beings that nobody really knows what they want and what they are....
And this didnt change much at all during 7 seasons....
White Walkers were a concept that they never really explained well .
When they realized they had no good ideas about them that they could finish within 2 Seasons they decided to make it simple and just declare them es evil death who want to destroy all living....
The core of GOT was always about the human wars and politics never about good vs evil fantasy story...


But what i really agree and what i really hate soo much that i want to puke is the massive plot armours every main character got....
Its so pathetic and annoying .

Jamie, Brienne , Podric , Greyworm ,Tormund , The Hound and Sam all should have died a 1000 times and all got last second miracle saves over and over and over again.
Thats not GOT !
Thats a Marvel superhero movie !

Jorah and Beric Dondarrion did both die but only after being stabbed to death for a total of percieved 400hours.....

I rewatched the Episode additional 2 times so far and i have to forward the fighting scenes since i simply cant stand it anymore.

All these 1 vs 20 that the main protagonists win in the very last second by miracle save all the time.....
puke...


Besides that :

I love the first 20 minutes and the last 10 minutes simply for the Atmosphere , pictures and music

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/com...ew_who_made_this_this_is_comedy_gold/

this is hilarious

I loved the show in the early seasons but I stopped watching after "Jaime & Bronn visit Dorne" in season 5 (?). That was so bad to me that I just snapped out of it and completely lost interest. I read about "kidnap a zombie" later and felt vindicated. It's strange to me that many viewers are suddenly pissed now, this latest episode seems par for the course to me; high budget visuals and 0 attention to the story. It's more like a random superhero movie than like GOT season 1.

About grrm I really don't believe he's as lazy as people think he is; he just constantly rewrites, rearranges and restarts because he's going for perfection

And obviously he's old + you can't just spend 100% of your time doing 1 thing, you need hobbies, friends, family, and vacations to be productive at work.

When the next book finally comes out it's going to be fucking mind-bogglingly high quality just like every book before it. The tv show never made anyone wait, it always delivered its F grade air storylines right on schedule.

If grrm lives longer than people expect, maybe he can somehow get a dream of spring done too and then we'll be even closer to the conclusion (I don't see how he can conclude in 2 more books).

If he passes on before his work is done there will be a ton of highly talented writers eager to take over with access to all of the deleted material & planning etc, with their motivation at peak. Would that really be so bad? I'm more optimistic about the books than ever because the tv show isn't spoiling anything. I wouldn't mind enjoying book 8 on my porch when I'm 70.

On May 03 2019 18:20 PplusAD wrote: I also strongly disagree that GoT was about White Walkers and the fantasy war against evil more than about politics and "realistic medieval human wars" He says the white walkers have been built up since Episode1 Season 1.... I disagree.... In my opinion the white walkers always had very little screen time and got almost no depth at all during the previous 7 seasons.... They were always some distant magical beings that nobody really knows what they want and what they are.... And this didnt change much at all during 7 seasons.... White Walkers were a concept that they never really explained well . When they realized they had no good ideas about them that they could finish within 2 Seasons they decided to make it simple and just declare them es evil death who want to destroy all living.... The core of GOT was always about the human wars and politics never about good vs evil fantasy story...

See I feel like the white walkers were meant to represent actual historical existential threats like fascism and white supremacy. In episode 1 of this season this is most clear when we see how closely the burning spiral on the wall with the dead kid nailed to it closely represents a swastika. The reason why we aren't getting more screen time with this is because that its trying to be conveyed that the issue is being ignored because leaders are preoccupied with greed and their lust for power (its just a game), which is something that obviously happened in actual world history on multiple occasions with catastrophic consequences. So if anything I feel like I'm giving the show more credit in that they had an extremely meaningful theme that they just happened to bungle at the end, as opposed to just being standard sword and sorcery or horror-style zombies.

this video is funny after watching ep 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=S8frk3Nxo78

On May 04 2019 15:59 Jelle wrote: It's strange to me that many viewers are suddenly pissed now,

I've been pretty pissed since Season 5, I just hoped they d fix this shit not completely destroy it.

On May 04 2019 16:03 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2019 18:20 PplusAD wrote: I also strongly disagree that GoT was about White Walkers and the fantasy war against evil more than about politics and "realistic medieval human wars" He says the white walkers have been built up since Episode1 Season 1.... I disagree.... In my opinion the white walkers always had very little screen time and got almost no depth at all during the previous 7 seasons.... They were always some distant magical beings that nobody really knows what they want and what they are.... And this didnt change much at all during 7 seasons.... White Walkers were a concept that they never really explained well . When they realized they had no good ideas about them that they could finish within 2 Seasons they decided to make it simple and just declare them es evil death who want to destroy all living.... The core of GOT was always about the human wars and politics never about good vs evil fantasy story... See I feel like the white walkers were meant to represent actual historical existential threats like fascism and white supremacy. In episode 1 of this season this is most clear when we see how closely the burning spiral on the wall with the dead kid nailed to it closely represents a swastika.

Fascism is already omnipresent in GoT without them. I always thought it was a metaphor for climate change because it is the one true existential threat that faces everyone equally (while fascism can rise and fall, if the environment collapses, it's game over for everyone). The white walkers have nothing human to them, unlike fascists; they're an amoral force of nature and they can control the environment, and their stated goal is to remove all memories of this world by killing the three-eyed raven. You could say that ties into fascist book-burning but that's not complete without removing all living memories too. Of course the far-right have their own interpretation and think the white walkers represent the collapse that comes with immigration....


Also :

Global Warming. Don't say it like a fascist.

On May 05 2019 12:19 Loco wrote: I always thought it was a metaphor for climate change because it is the one true existential threat that faces everyone equally

this! haha I almost wrote that too
But then Arya single handedly eliminated the threat so... I'm not sure the metaphor works anymore

On May 05 2019 12:19 Loco wrote: Fascism is already omnipresent in GoT without them.

Agreed, but there are lower level forms of fascism basically all the houses and characters wrestle with (even Starks with bigotry, death penalty, blind faith in tradition), but there still exists a concentrated evil form that is analogous to historical events. Still I don't think the white walkers need to represent exactly fascism or nazism, it could just mean any threat to humanity in general (yes, possibly climate change). But it certainly must be more significant than your standard Joeffery level fascism. I just don't quite agree with this season's prioritizing because it seems to be saying that Cersei (who being pregnant, abused by her husband, and was forced to walk naked for mere extramarital sex is a character we feel some sympathy for) is somehow the bigger villain.

Of course the far-right have their own interpretation and think the white walkers represent the collapse that comes with immigration....

and GRRM's political views could not be more open.

after Trump's election:

Trump was the least qualified candidate ever nominated by a major party for the presidency. Come January, he will become the worst president in American history, and a dangerously unstable player on the world stage. And the decimated Democrats, a minority in both House and Senate, do not have the power to hinder him. Over the next four years, our problems are going to get much, much worse. Winter is coming. I told you so.

https://grrm.livejournal.com/506110.html

omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope

On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote: omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope

Well no matter what happens i am prepared for GOT to continue what started in Season 6

Less GOT more Hollywood Action movie

I have not seen any episode 4 spoilers but i am

very aware that they are so shit that they will probably kill one or both dragons with that ridiculous ballista from Season 7 somehwere within the last 3 episodes....
Aegon Targaryen conquerd the 7 Kingdoms with 3 dragons when Season 7 of GOT wants us to believe all you need to kill a Dragon is a basically a bigger Crossbow >-<
No idea who came up with that shit but i think at some point unfortunately that will happen

G.R.R.M has compared white walkers to global warming in terms of existential threats. I think it is much more fitting than fascism. Rather one of the big and obvious point of the series is that autocratic political systems are not good for dealing with existiential threats.

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Episode 4 was interesting in various ways. Some parts were funny, some sad, some scary.

No big battles, as expected.

I thought 8.04 was the best episode since 6.10. Great stuff, but still seems hard to believe that it can be wrapped up in <3 hours.

Yeah best episode in terms of plot development. Felt like they were finally starting to move forward as opposed to wrapping things up from previous seasons.

I agree it had some very good moments and is definitely one of the best epsiodes since Season6 (New GOT)

OFC it had some shit moments , too but overall we had some interesting developements in politics which we didnt have for a long time.


Edit

And i am pretty sure Dany will die.
The development of her character within the last few episodes is that she is completely falling apart.

Her Army of 10.000 Dothraki and 13.000 Unsullied + 2 dragons is now left with
~ 3000 unsullied + 1 Dragon




She has ~ 10.000 Northman that dont even accept her and just follow Jon Snow.

Sansa one of the most smart and determined figures in this hates her
Tyrion one of the most smart and determined figures in this lost his faith in her
Lord Varys one of the most smart and determined figures in this says that he will try to let her be killed if necessary

her only close real friends Messandei and Jorah are dead.

You can also see that she is deeply destroyed by the knowledge of not being the choosen one.
In fact everything she build her strength on was a lie in the first place.

Afterall she got so successfull due to believing she is the choosen Targaryen ,the last of her kind , born of flames to bring back the glory of her family and rule over the seven kingdoms.
Now she knows Jon is the choosen Targaryen and the root of her strength was a lie


Considering all this i cant see any other ending for her than being killed.

I mean even if she should win vs Ceresei all she has left is like 2000 soldiers (assuming some die in the last war) and possible no Dragons while everybody around her hates her .
I really see no way she comes out alive in this next 2 episodes