Game of Thrones: Season 8 - Page 9

Well, the critical turning point was when she refused to listen to her advisers - the only people she has left along with Jon. She did become a tyrant then, with the most typical tyrant phrase, "the means justify the ends". I think it's a bit out of character for her, I guess we are supposed to feel like she is getting desperate and needs an independent show of force to assert herself. It will of course end badly.

On May 06 2019 12:45 Loco wrote: Well, the critical turning point was when she refused to listen to her advisers - the only people she has left along with Jon. She did become a tyrant then, with the most typical tyrant phrase, "the means justify the ends". I think it's a bit out of character for her, I guess we are supposed to feel like she is getting desperate and needs an independent show of force to assert herself. It will of course end badly.

I was fairly convinced they would go for the "Dany going mad" plot and they did, quite sad and obvious.

I felt like the episode is pure shit again. That Dragon death was quite retarded. First of all, they are dragons, second of all they are fucking flying and can see everything for miles ahead so ambushing a fucking dragon is a joke. Are we supposed to believe they managed to hide all ships behind a ridge? Even if they did, how exactly will they aim and shoot before the dragons see them???

I won't even mention the teleportation techniques used in the episode again, they made it look so natural now, that we're supposed to just take it without questioning.... pathetic. Euron should've gotten completely destroyed there. Daenerys could've literally made a circle behind the ships and set them all to flames while being safe from the weapons. They can't turn them around without hitting their own ship, so what the fuck was that. Why didn't they just wait till they were at the gates to kill a dragon, it would've made 10x the sense.

The only way they salvage the series is if Daenerys goes mad, slaughters everyone to the throne and sits on it, ending the series the way it started - with a mad queen on the throne. I hope they don't end it with some sugarcoated story where Dany gets killed by Jon and he claims the throne.

Games like this never end well.

On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote: omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope

Were the leaks accurate?

yes the point with dragons being ambushed is silly, there is no reconnasiance in this show prior to military battles. Why be invested in this show though, just move on to something with better writing.

Also these.. predictions, I already know what happens from spoilers

guys this episode was pure trash i dont know how can you actually say it has any good in it, i am amazed and stunned how can you destroy the show like DnD are doing right now...

Why would u take 2 years to build this season that has less screen time than the usual and mess up like this is beyond every reason. I spend some time lurking around GRRMs comments on the show after s7 and its clear he dosnt want to talk about the show and does not have any respect for it. Maybe he saw the adaptation and did not agree with it but DnD decided to go anyway(he mentions something like this in one of his interviews but its very vague).

I had my hopes very high after episode 2, i thought its the usual way of how this show has been going - pilot episode not that good, second one a good one and so on in an ascending manner... also was not very disappointed after episode 3 but now i am stunned...

The Dragon death was completely stupid and made no sense at all......

- As you mentioned there was no way Eurons Fleet could see the Dragons before the Dragons could see Euron... the fact that Eurons Armada did hide behinde a rock is so ridiculous
- To aim that thing to hit a flying dragon with the first shot is close to impossible ... wtf action hero Sniper shoot by Euron
- Dragon should not fear big crossbows.... it would have made more sense if the Dragon got hit with like 20 Arrows where 1 Arrow makes it through at the place he got injured while fighting Viserion.
- Wtf they bring the dragon to negotiate with Cersei where the castle has hundreds of these ballistas that apparently need only a single hit to kill a dragon....

etc etc....



But it was clear it would happen so i was prepared for the worst.

I like how they cut their CGI budget too with Jon "relieving" ghost of his duty and sending him north.. the fuck :D

I'd say that everyone on the team from the screenwriters to the executives approving the screenplays were high as fuck, but people that do drugs are at least creative so I doubt that.... they are just terrible at their job thats all.

btw sickest commercial ive ever seen... whoever invented that with the starbucks cup should get a medal... really guys its the best possible commercial and i think the chances that this is on purpose are like 99.9%

On May 06 2019 13:56 balakubak wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote: omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope Were the leaks accurate?

yes unfortunately - they leaked the whole episode basically - the main events of it

I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great.

I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv.

On May 06 2019 21:28 Zografa wrote: btw sickest commercial ive ever seen... whoever invented that with the starbucks cup should get a medal... really guys its the best possible commercial and i think the chances that this is on purpose are like 99.9% Show nested quote + On May 06 2019 13:56 balakubak wrote:   On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote: omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope Were the leaks accurate? yes unfortunately - they leaked the whole episode basically - the main events of it

Can you PM me with leaks for ep 5 and 6 if there are any, I'm not really interested in watching the show anymore but want to have a "closure"

On May 06 2019 21:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great. I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv.

Just lol.

Nobody wants a real time representation of every event, obviously we're not gonna watch them ride horses for 2 months to get to King's Landing, but there are tons of character development happening in that time, teleportation is bad for many reasons, but the main one is that it completely destroys the main thing the show was good for. By your post I bet you liked Avengers End Game as well.

yeah sure, I liked both endgame and infinity war, and lots of other marvel movies too. I also like a lot of artsy dialogue driven movies. And series. I loved the first seasons of this show, and I'm still enjoying it today. That's why I'm still watching it lol. In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.

I had pretty big issues with some of the teleportation from last season, like when dragons came across the wall. That one didn't pass my plausability meter at all. But I didn't feel any need or desire to watch the fleet travel towards dragonstone. I also thought there were several cool dialogues happening this episode, some good tyrion+varys, and I'm feeling real character development in dany.

I mean, they are trying wrap stuff up. It's the final season. Some of it moves too fast. But the way some of you guys have consistently been hating on this show for a good while now, it just doesn't make any sense that you're still watching it. I remember when the walking dead was released. A lot of people talked about how good the first couple episodes were, before they started talking about how shitty it was. I remember watching one episode from season 2, and thinking it was shit. And then I did the reasonable thing; I didn't watch any more. I think it's ridiculous how every week, and it's been going on for like 2+ seasons now, I see a bunch of people online talk about how shitty they think the show is now. Shouldn't you have picked up on it and stopped by now?

I wasn't too distressed by the ambush out of the cove (obv it was improbable), but I thought Dany considering dive bombing Drogon into the ships then veering off and somehow avoiding every single scorpion arrow was my one major gripe about the episode. Just why? Why have her do that? Why make every arrow shockingly miss when they can hit a dragon from a mile out? The one extremely silly thing about the episode.

Other than that, I agreed with Drone about the timetraveling. I thought Dany making it to Jon north of the wall in a day from Storm's End in season 7 was completely egregious, but didn't mind anything last episode as they don't give clear indications of how much time has passed.

Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here.

On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.

I agree with this, but I do take a lot of value from theorycrafting better/more realistic/more creative plot/character development both publicly with others and inside my own head. Most of us have a lot of freedom in our lives, what if one of us decided to write a fantasy series one day and took a lot from the discussion? Or thinking it through made us a better thinker, analyzer, whatever.

The process also gives me empathy for people working on shows. It's just really fucking hard to do things great. The Long Night was a beautifully filmed, scored, and choreographed episode but ended up blurry and obscured because of light issues. How do you make an 80 minute battle interesting throughout? How do you transition from different areas of a fight seamlessly? How do you get different portions of an army involved logically without taking too much time? These are all really difficult problems to solve on a tv show. In a book, not so difficult, GRRM could have written 8 chapters on The Long Night, shifting perspective from Jon to Dany to Arya to Sansa to Tyrion to Bran to Jon to Arya and fleshed it all out. On a show, much more difficult with time constraints.


tl;dr: I have no problems with the doublethink of simultaneously enjoying something that was really fucking hard to enact while critiquing it and theorycrafting possible ways to improve it.

On May 07 2019 00:25 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to. I agree with this, but I do take a lot of value from theorycrafting better/more realistic/more creative plot/character development both publicly with others and inside my own head. Most of us have a lot of freedom in our lives, what if one of us decided to write a fantasy series one day and took a lot from the discussion? Or thinking it through made us a better thinker, analyzer, whatever. The process also gives me empathy for people working on shows. It's just really fucking hard to do things great. The Long Night was a beautifully filmed, scored, and choreographed episode but ended up blurry and obscured because of light issues. How do you make an 80 minute battle interesting throughout? How do you transition from different areas of a fight seamlessly? How do you get different portions of an army involved logically without taking too much time? These are all really difficult problems to solve on a tv show. In a book, not so difficult, GRRM could have written 8 chapters on The Long Night, shifting perspective from Jon to Dany to Arya to Sansa to Tyrion to Bran to Jon to Arya and fleshed it all out. On a show, much more difficult with time constraints. tl;dr: I have no problems with the doublethink of simultaneously enjoying something that was really fucking hard to enact while critiquing it and theorycrafting possible ways to improve it.

Love this comment, can relate to lots of stuff.

On May 06 2019 22:39 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2019 21:28 Zografa wrote: btw sickest commercial ive ever seen... whoever invented that with the starbucks cup should get a medal... really guys its the best possible commercial and i think the chances that this is on purpose are like 99.9%   On May 06 2019 13:56 balakubak wrote:   On May 05 2019 21:53 Zografa wrote: omg just saw the leaks for episode 4... prepare for utter shit DnD just destroyed my last hope Were the leaks accurate? yes unfortunately - they leaked the whole episode basically - the main events of it Can you PM me with leaks for ep 5 and 6 if there are any, I'm not really interested in watching the show anymore but want to have a "closure"   On May 06 2019 21:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: I liked the episode a lot. The ambush was a bit sudden and unrealistic, but it was also a really tense scene. And I thought the rest of the episode was pretty damn great. I don't understand the point of view of people who think it would be better if daenerys's group was 1 km further away so they'd be out of ballista range. If you want realism to the point where you'd want Tyrion and Qyburn's walk to last for 10 minutes instead of 1 then I'm gonna argue that's just not very good tv. Just lol. Nobody wants a real time representation of every event, obviously we're not gonna watch them ride horses for 2 months to get to King's Landing, but there are tons of character development happening in that time, teleportation is bad for many reasons, but the main one is that it completely destroys the main thing the show was good for. By your post I bet you liked Avengers End Game as well.

They released the whole episode like 2 days upfront, leaked trough some Thai HBO department.

I also have no problems with theorycrafting better solutions or whatever, I do that myself. And sometimes I do find unrealistic (not in terms of there are dragons breathing fire, but in the sense that 'this is impossible in the universe they have created') events so off-putting that it kills my enjoyment.

My argument is that people who think the show has been shit ever since it parted from the book material probably should have picked up on that at least 2-3 seasons ago and stopped watching it then. I thought the previous season struggled more with maintaining internal consistency than the current one. I don't have a problem with 'it's unrealistic that so many main actors survived the fight' (I felt the same way and have argued that), I have a problem with 'this show is complete shit and has been for a long time but for some reason I'm still watching it anyway'.

The crossbow is absolutely retarded... hits a dragon thrice from a mile away then misses 20 times against a much closer one and decimates their ships as if they were spanish galleons with 20 gunpowdered cannons each... ridiculous.

The worst of all is that they had a dozen of those on top of the wall and Daenerys very close... why not just shoot her and also kill Tyrion when he gets close when obv Cersei doesnt give a fuck?



I just hope that the second sons dont appear in another deus ex machina way... please dont do this pleeease!!!!!... also dont make Jamie kill Cersei that would be so cheesy.

On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: In general I think life is a lot more enjoyable if I find reasons to enjoy stuff rather than find reasons not to.

Obviously, its also easier, there were a bunch of stuff like the dialogues you pointed out that which were good in the episode, the thing is I won't close my eyes for obvious poorly thought-out stuff in the series. Swallowing the dragon scene away, the next time you see Dany she's already at the gates of King's Landing.... considering her forces almost got wiped out and they need rest, plus you need to actually travel to King's Landing and that she lost one of her "kids", there is plenty that would change for her character. It would make her descending into madness much more plausible if they didn't completely skip that part.

Don't think that whining about the series has an impact in my life though. Either way I'd still strive to look how to make something better, rather than just be satisfied. That doesn't exclude gratification of current results though.

On May 07 2019 00:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: Shouldn't you have picked up on it and stopped by now?

As I've said, if this wasn't the last season I would've dropped the series. It's been going in freefall for a while now. I had hopes they'd fix things after Season 5, and S6 had a few good things until the end. Generally, I'm super annoyed that they botched up the series with complete stupidity. Episode 4 was the best one from the entire season so far and that says a lot.

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Kings Landing v 1.0

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Kings Landing v 2.0

As sir Davos once said - this place has changed.

On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote: Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here.

Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D
Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return?
Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol.

It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them.

OR

Missandei should've been released

Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series

On May 07 2019 17:34 Spitfiree wrote: It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them. OR Missandei should've been released Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series

well the normies around me are impressed btw, so they did accomplish smth...