Lostaccount not paying his stake

Basically we are disagreeing so I want to know what ya guys think if he does owe me and how much if so. Hopefully this is coherent and resume it well, I have discord chat to back everything I say; I'll post it if needed.

Lostaccount msg me on LP to stake me to play on a pokerBRO and that he is an agent. I wouldn't play with my own money on private apps. Basically deal is 50/50 with 25% RB payout every week monday. First week I ran like god, win around 1k$ and he send me a message saying his manager banned me cause I won too much and he didn't offer him anything (since I guess they ban winner?). He says he owe me about 460 or 490$(I'll have to check), but he only send me 230 now he says he owe me the rest cause he is waiting for his manager to send the rest. So we makes new deal manager 20/lostacc 30/me 50.

I'm asking him the whole next week about the rest of the money he keeps saying I will get it soon. I played a ton 2nd wekk but I ran really bad even tho I'm down like 350$. So I ask him how much rakeback we are getting and he says we are not getting RB cause of part of the new deal and that he forgot to tell me(raked 550$ 2nd week). At this point I keep asking him to pay me, he says it's too much trouble and he wants out of the stake. I'm like ok but you gotta pay me what you said you owe me(Roughly 490$-230$ he already paid me).

I'm frankly quite pissed at him. He said I was even lucky I got paid at all, like what the f*? I won the money. I absolutely think he owe me the full rest of my 50% of the first week profit. Even if we factor in what I lost the 2nd week he would still owe me some more and he straight up blocked me. It's not a ton of money but if he doesn't pay up isn't he a scammer?

Why don't both of you commit to plea your case and get it arbitrated by a couple of ppl you respect in here.

I can already say I agree. I hope he does too. I told him I'd post it here and he said go ahead but then he blocked me so I'm not super confident he will show up but we will see.

He won week 1, lost week 2 and 3 and expect to keep winning and not count losses. He’s complaining about 230 cad.

I with hold 230 in case he lost week 2 and he did but still expects the money. I’m done with staking losers

Do you agree with what Baalim said? You can put up your case after.

I’m not wasting my time on a case for 230$ and I’m not paying u. Call me a scammer all u want. U just give me headaches

U won 490cad, lost back 350usd week 2 and expect me to fit the losses while. Keep winnings. Doesn’t work like that

We can argue the case if you want, but if you refuse to do it whats the point? It was twice 490$can and yes true 350$ USD. We can post everything I was making a resume but if you are unwilling to accept the plea it's pointless.

Really this isn't about me calling you a scammer it's about ARE you a scammer. If you refuse to have it arbitrated then it speaks volume. I'm all willing to post everything to clarify it up so they get a clear picture yet you dodge it. If they see and think I'm wrong I'm all for admitting it.

On November 25 2020 06:18 lostaccount wrote: U won 490cad, lost back 350usd week 2 and expect me to fit the losses while. Keep winnings. Doesn’t work like that

Other people should comment but if you aren't disputing the terms of his OP, you sound way in the wrong dude.

i dont get it. Whats the balance owed when factoring in losses?

You must have not read his latest blogs if you re getting into business with him

I mean even in the best possible light where we ignore the rakeback deal, seems like you didn't get your share of the profits even with factoring in the losses. In week 1 you have 980 profit and week 2 you have 350 loss. Net is 630 so your half is 315. If he gave you 230 then he still owes you 85.

On November 25 2020 06:10 lostaccount wrote: He’s complaining about 230 cad.

On November 25 2020 06:17 lostaccount wrote: I’m not wasting my time on a case for 230$ and I’m not paying u.

This is basically the language of scummy scammers and welchers. The good ole "bruh it's such a small amount of money bruh c'mon it's not even worth the time to fight over" says the guy that can't pony up that small amount.

in 2020 people are still doing business with Neilly & CO

classic

Sketchy but honestly for that amount of money, I'll just let it go and chalk it up as a loss.

The good thing is it's just the beginning of the deal. Imagine playing months and months and he owes you 10k and wouldn't pay.

John, if you DROPPED HIM, then you OWE THAT TO HIM.

you should coach him instead of calling him a loser?

On November 25 2020 11:47 FrinkX wrote: in 2020 people are still doing business with Neilly & CO classic

lol like wtf i paid off all my debts sir, and im up 60k mtt this year + 30k cg.... neillyaa74 pokerstars pa.

all at 100% cept a 1k stake i used 1 day to turn into 3-4k and went from there...

john id just send him $100 cuz its kinda in the middle and its scummy to just out him without giving him a shot as hes still up it seems?

John was always a FAIR BACKER - id like to see discord chats and graphs of the weekly results, i dont play pokerbros, but if its like pppoker u can get those graphs really quick

if he won the $ and its his winnings its wrong for him to get nothing if you cut him while hes in the profit, if hes in the negative then its null n void.

honestly john backed me like 5x, he was always fair, even to the point after a few stakes the "loan" aspect would go to 1:1, so its gonna lead JOHNS SIDE here 100% - im making that clear, he is NOT A BAD BACKER, hes about the money, he coaches quite well in icm spots and understands poker and business well, if John says 100% this guys a fuckin loser and will lose 100% then i'd trust him and wouldn't give him anything under that construct, BUT - its wrong in staking to do that. its against the rules.

Oddeye is right, and John is probably right too. Thing is industry standards PAY ODDEYE THE REMAINDER IS THE ONLY OPTION. wtf John, you are a good backer. I got ur back.... but this is weird cut n dry, i can see you guys finding a middling # to just be happy - but to just not pay someone - $230 is an ounce of weed.... its nice, I'd feel bad if that happened to me.. idk $230 to most ppl must be like 20k to u cuz ur fam always been so rich, but jeesh, pay ur debts... you're so above this John.

its close, seems dirty to not pay full n just cut a loss, i mean you're rich john, wtf is this scummy shit.

John has a good heart which makes me wonder why this is going on.

i wish u the best john - Oddeyes been around man...... i'd say pay him hes not a fuckin loser..... thats semi biased cuz ive been backed by john a bunch of times, our bloods fine, its not bad, we just get under each others skin sometimes. i dont think johns tryin to fuck oddeye over, i do think oddeye deserves the $ tho... or a %......... anyways im done this thread bless you all.

I have no problem with him backing off the stake, it's within his right as long as he pays me what is due. In the end I still won so don't be so quick to call me a loser. It's true it isn't a lot of money but I never tried to claim otherwise, I'm just asking my due.

You guys can correct me if I'm wrong at the math here.
I won 980$can, we both get 50% which mean 490$can each. I got paid 230$can.
Then the next weeks I lost 350$ US (455$can according to XE.com).
The rakeback for the 2nd week would be 550$us/4 = 137.5$us = 179$can.
With RB this would be 455$can - 179$can = 276$can

980$can - 276$can = 704$can won therefor 352$ each. He'd still owe me 352$can - 230$can = 122$can.

That is excluding the fact that payouts were suppose to be every Monday(his own words) so everything should have been paid(490$can).

The reason I'm pointing to discord chat is that we have a written agreement, if you guys need me to post any part to prove my words I will.

Neilly I'm glad it worked for you, however I'm not here for a lookout at this reputation, I'm just here so we figure out how much he owe me, because in every view of the situation no matter how he twist it he still owes me some amount, even if it's small. If he pays zero then he is just stealing it.

he owes you 704, look above your post - i wrote oddeyes been around man, hes no fuckin loser.

your math ab ove isnt wrong i been in same spot w/ backers b4.

i can understand a middling # cuz these %s to other ppl etc but yes u need to get paid at least something here, and honestly $230 is a normal persons 2-3 days work, its internet bill + phone + a weed cart, yeah u guys need to find the right #. i think johns a great guy, he htinks hes right, but hes shitting on the industry here, and staking in general, ill tell u one thing, john has a wonderful heart but he makes very spontaneous decisions and hes very bold.

i also, make spontaneous decisions. 1st.

rb is real........ idk why johns doing this he was always fair with me altho he always tried to get the xtra money in the beginning..... the closer we were the better of a bcker he was.... hes a great guy i dont know why hes doing this.

him and i havent talked in 2 months this is just real talk

ill always care bout that guy n respect him but i can't respect the decision he is trying to make here...or is making and being scummy/scammy...

Yeah no problem Neilly. The reason why I post it here with a 3rd party to judge it is so the emotions are out of the question. Bold or not, it's no justification for running away with money and I think most people will agree with that.

Guys he is down on stake after week 3. I with held money in case he lost week 2. Which he did. I paid him his share. He isn’t gonna profit if he down now

He won on 700 week 1, lost 350 week 2 he got paid 230 which is fair

He wants me to eat the losses while he just keeps the winning

I message u telling u we don’t get rakeback for week 2

And how much are U down week 3. I don’t know

Which part are you contesting? You were not suppose to withhold money in the first place as payouts(you straight up lied to me saying it was accounting or the manager) were weekly but even if we include the lost of the next weeks you still owe me some money. I posted the info in this thread while your claim is very general.

Do you agree to have it arbitrated now or are you gonna dodge that?
I was up 750$ US (980$can) and I lost 350$US~(455$ can~) total for both week 2 and 3 as I stated it before.

Neilly he only won max 350 and I gave him 230. Which is fair

Our contact was even not clear, we just winged it.

980-455 is 525, and u lost week 3 too so profit is down even more

I never said I pay u full every week. I just said we get paid for every week

Obvious I’m gonna withhold some money in case u lose week 2

The contract was clear, you are just trying to use half truth(actually more like direct lies) to justify not paying. I'm gonna post the discord text log to prove it and you guys be the judge.

U won at most 500$ cad and I paid u 230 what more do u want. He doesn’t want to count his losses only wins

But yes manager only gave me 460. They don’t always pay out in full unless u get a etransfer

He wants me to eat all the losses while he just keeps the winning. Not gonna happen

If a respectable Lpers think I owe I will pay. I don’t mind having some judges

Your total profit was max 500 and u want me to pay u 500.....

On November 25 2020 17:28 lostaccount wrote: If a respectable Lpers think I owe I will pay. I don’t mind having some judges

Ok, good that we can agree on that. Do we find 3 people from LP and make this a 2 out of 3 majority?

If they agree; I'm gonna say Baalim, PoorUser since they posted in this thread. 3rd one could be stroggoz. I do not know them personally. I will PM them if you agree but you can suggest other people.

And if u lose u give me 230$, I ain’t getting free roll. If I lose I give u 230$

On November 25 2020 18:18 Oddeye wrote: If they agree; I'm gonna say Baalim, PoorUser since they posted in this thread. 3rd one could be stroggoz. I do not know them personally. I will PM them if you agree but you can suggest other people.

Nothing against Stroggoz but Daut would be better as he has more experience with staking. He would be the best person on this site.

PoorUser is experienced but has already opined in this thread so not sure how fair that is.

On November 25 2020 18:31 lostaccount wrote: And if u lose u give me 230$, I ain’t getting free roll. If I lose I give u 230$

Am I really reading this?
I am asking for arbitration because I believe strongly you owe me money due to the term of our stakes. There is no part of this that involve me giving you money, even by the numbers you posted here you still owe me some money.

On November 25 2020 18:37 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 18:18 Oddeye wrote: If they agree; I'm gonna say Baalim, PoorUser since they posted in this thread. 3rd one could be stroggoz. I do not know them personally. I will PM them if you agree but you can suggest other people. Nothing against Stroggoz but Daut would be better as he has more experience with staking. He would be the best person on this site. PoorUser is experienced but has already opined in this thread so not sure how fair that is.

Sure Daut would be great, we can pick anyone else too I'm good for it. They were only suggestions.

On November 25 2020 18:41 Oddeye wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 18:31 lostaccount wrote: And if u lose u give me 230$, I ain’t getting free roll. If I lose I give u 230$ Am I really reading this? I am asking for arbitration because I believe strongly you owe me money due to the term of our stakes. There is no part of this that involve me giving you money, even by the numbers you posted here you still owe me some money.

I’m not going into arbitration if u only benefit, if u are so sure I owe U money then put some money on the line so u Aren’t freerolling and wasting my time

How much did u lose this week? I won’t know till Monday

I already told you, I'm at -350us total for both week included, not -700us. I didn't have time to check for the exact amount since you said you wanted to talk to me and you cashed out everything when you said you wanted to cancel the stake yesterday night.

So u won 350 usd which is around 500 Canadian. I pay u 230 so owe u like 20-30$

The way you are saying it doesn't make sense If there was ever such a deal it would be over the money you'd owe me anyway, so if you owe me anything it's that amount +230 if you owe me nothing then it's me sending you 230.

Yeah you are wasting my time defending myself when u r wrong so u aren’t freerolling me. Why go into a situation when it’s lose-draw for me. If u are wrong u should lose something and not just complain and freerolling me

lol

Of course ur gonna want a arbitration if u have nothing to lose but if you lose in arbitration u might not want to waste any more of my time if you have to pay like I would have to pay

You blocked me not even paying the amount that you knew you owed me. You wasted my time by stealing me, don't make yourself the victim, you are wasting my time.

That’s fair whoever lose in arbitration will have to pay 230

Just so this isn't a completely time wasted I'll do it for 50$c. Just to be clear if we do a deal. if you owe me anything it's the amount they determine you owed me +50$c. If you don't owe me, it's me paying you 50$can.

Please accept so we can move to the next step and then be done as fast as possible.

Why not just 230, i lose I pay u 230 if I win you pay me 230. That’s fair

Have only skimmed the thread thus far because you guys are incapable of making coherent posts and not writing 7 word fragment posts across 4 pages, and neilly wont shut the fuck up, but would rule in Oddeye's side from what i've read.

Daut he made 350usd total but I would have to pay him 500$?

How is that fair

I stake someone where we split profits every month on the first. Month 1 he wins 10k. I'm supposed to send him 5k, I only send 3k and withhold 2k profits. Month 2 he loses 4k. Month 3 he loses 2k. He's now up 4k overall and I refuse to pay him the remaining and say it's now fair that he's received 3k of the 4k profit. But because I was staking him, the losing months are on me after the first split, and he pays makeup only if I continue to stake him, which I am choosing not to do. I owe him another 2k even though it means I lose on the deal.

That's the risk you take as a backer, an agent, whatever. If you have a deal where you pay out every monday, you pay out every monday, you don't change the deal in your favor after the fact.

So he made 1k first week lost 500 2nd week . I with held 250 and he lost back 500. Isn’t it it fair he only gets 250 then? I never said he gets paid in full every week. I paid first week so he knew the stake wasn’t a scam. Paying out every week fully is such a -ev

On November 25 2020 19:43 Daut wrote: Have only skimmed the thread thus far because you guys are incapable of making coherent posts and not writing 7 word fragment posts across 4 pages, and neilly wont shut the fuck up, but would rule in Oddeye's side from what i've read.

To be honest stake was rush we never had a concrete deal, we just winged it

also pokerbros agent gets like 50+% rb and he gave oddeye only 25% LOL just pay him out man

On November 25 2020 20:18 CamilaPunt wrote: also pokerbros agent gets like 50+% rb and he gave oddeye only 25% LOL just pay him out man

Not if ur a big winner which we thought Oddeye was.

Thanks Daut, sorry about the messy thread guys. If you need anymore revelant info just ask for it.

All direct quote from our discord history: (jfound is lostaccount)

jfound88811/09/2020
Let hash out details
50/50 including rakeback
U get 25% rakeback

jfound88811/13/2020
U won’t lose n I will always stake u
So just win
50/50 even for bbj
It’s 5050 everything

jfound88811/13/2020
Every Monday
We get paid every month
Every Monday
Not month

jfound88811/13/2020
Cash out every Monday

That’s the first deal before we change it when u got banned, and I never said u get paid fully every monday. As a backer of course I’m going to withhold some in case u lose week 2

^ ok so post the god damn second deal then lol

If a second deal was started, the first is closed and then you start new. Again you owe.

^ LOLLLLL

jlost meltdown incoming

Na I’m a very calm person if I owe I pay

If daut says I owe then that’s fair. I just won’t stake anymore . Lesson learnt. It’s a headache staking

Just use me as one arbitrator. Ask a few other people who play in games like this etc, don't take my word as gospel. Just giving you my perspective as someone who has done a lot of staking

Yea cause it’s pretty stupid to pay full everyweek but I learnt my lesson. I’m done staking cause more headache then I need. It was a rush deal we never lay out exact terms but whatever. Paying 230 to get piece of mind again is whatever

Good, thanks.
I think we will both have learned lessons here. You sent me previously 230$c out of the 490$c, So it's 260$c. You can contact me through LP or whatever you want, or send etransfer with same question/answer as the previous transfer.

Yeah I txt u, u get my messages if u did message back

100%, splitting every week is not a great idea cause if you win early and split and then lose after, horse ends up receiving the profits. But that's how this deal was structured. Just gotta roll with it. Or have the terms worked out -- if youre down ill get you in another game and you continue playing, etc. Poker has variance, and these games are often soft but theyre heavily raked and it doesnt take much under EV to be a 8bb/100 winner that loses in 5k hands.

And I understand the private game landscape is frustrating with getting banned as a winner, but still, need clear terms worked out in every spot to avoid any confusion. Worrying about edge cases can be maddening at times, but things like this happen more often than you'd think.

On November 25 2020 18:46 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2020 18:41 Oddeye wrote:   On November 25 2020 18:31 lostaccount wrote: And if u lose u give me 230$, I ain’t getting free roll. If I lose I give u 230$ Am I really reading this? I am asking for arbitration because I believe strongly you owe me money due to the term of our stakes. There is no part of this that involve me giving you money, even by the numbers you posted here you still owe me some money. I’m not going into arbitration if u only benefit, if u are so sure I owe U money then put some money on the line so u Aren’t freerolling and wasting my time

Wtf this isn't how arbitration works. It's to settle what the proper and fair result is. Is there a situation in this backing arrangement where he could have owed you $230? If not then that's not even part of the discussion.

It's like saying someone didn't pay for a TV upfront and you're arbitrating whether the TV's worth is $500 or $800 and the guy says "HEY IF YOU CANT PROVE ITS WORTH $800 THEN YOU NEED TO PAY ME $500 IM NOT GETTING FREEROLLED"


Glad to see everything is getting worked out though. Thanks Daut and props to both parties.

I gave the terms too generous, I totally forgot how staking works again. I obvious thought it standard to with held for week 2 is standard in case he loses. I just think that was standard. Pay half n hold half in case he loses week 2 but that is wasn’t mention but was my thought process. I never said I pay him fully every week. There was a lot of things left out in the deal since it was my first one in a long time and forgot to mention it. Life lesson make sure everything is hammer out in future deal. Lucky this one was a cheap mistake 260$

balakubak ????????? i used to do alot of blow - ive been clean a LONG time sir. Like Costa Rica $5gram alot. I live clean pure - don't try to discredit me ever, i do things by the book these days and have for a long time.

happy to see this got handled easy.. w2g lp.

Good to see lostaccount changing his mind and not let stubborness and anger get the best of him.

Next time you have to write down very specific rules, you can lose a lot of money and friendships from misunderstanding sometimes without even malice from any part, just natural bias.

Lost, just pay him, you're in the wrong and you always seemed like a reasonable guy. This isn't reasonable. You're saying you won't allow 3 respected OG LP people to rule one way or the other because it would create a "draw or lose" aka freeroll situation for him, right? The problem with that is you withheld $230 from the agreement week 1 (which is your potential win, not a draw), so while yes in terms if direct possession of the money you already have it and can only keep (draw/win) or lose it, but in terms of the agreement you took it early against the terms incase he lost, that's not really how it works is it.

Edit: Ah, you paid up? Good call

I'm impressed by the lack of interest in the deal's details from both sides.

As i understand things. I agree with daut that - IF the agreement was each week you square up. Then that is the how the deal works. And its definitely not a great deal for the backer. Typically its done monthly to allow for more buffer in swings and also less accounting. Sounds like indeed you did rush the details of it. But assuming we are understanding it correctly. Then yes according to this deal. The stakee can win 1k week1, lose 1k week 2, then 1k week 3 and still be up 500 on the stake. You are DROPPING him from the stake while he is effectively in makeup (in my example 2000 in makeup). However you don't get to withhold money in stake situations to buffer for this. The backer is essentially responsible for the livelihood of the Stakee, on a personal level in accordance with the agreed upon deal. Many times in stables I've been apart of in one way or another. The person being backed is putting their livelihood on the line as an employee of the backer. Generating them money while lowering their own risk in times of famine. You cannot expect to withhold payment of the money they might need at that moment to pad their personal living expenses to pay bills in the perhaps weeks or months coming up where they might be in makeup. The responsibility of backers is to take all variance in regards to poker entirely on his/themselves.

On November 26 2020 12:50 Spitfiree wrote: I'm impressed by the lack of interest in the deal's details from both sides.

there wasnt much of a detail to the stake, i thought i can pay him half every week and keep the other half in case he loses next week. Thats where the misconmuccation comes from. I never said he gets paid in full like everyone here assumes i pay in full every week. The details of the stake was iffy

Does that change anything? The details were not clear. Obvious if I said I paid him in full I owe but I never mention he gets paid in full everyweek

i really like how doomer stated it, ive been backed a lot, he truly says how i feel about it, i truly think john isn't trying to hurt the guy, to john $230 is like $6.25.

i learned a ton in this thread too, been through a similar spot where i had funds withehld 560 in rakeback and never said anything............ didn't see a reason to blow up someone over 560 when he taught me so much which has turned me a ton of profit...

i never would but it really hurt my life for a minute

On November 26 2020 23:48 lostaccount wrote: Does that change anything? The details were not clear. Obvious if I said I paid him in full I owe but I never mention he gets paid in full everyweek

Hmm. I could see it both ways depending. I have a friend that one time responded to a group chat with a few players in which they frequently sold action to each other. One day during the chat. Someone asked to sell action for something and a few of them responded and accepted. While i guess having another conversation at the same time. This was a while ago and i only heard the details from someone else. And based on the things my friend had said in the chat. The person asking had taken it as he agreed to buy the action also. Meanwhile my friend apparently wasnt paying attention really and agreed to something, but didn't realize the part of the action sold for that instance. In any case we had quite a few people arbitrate it. And it was ruled that my friend indeed owed the money. The reasoning was that 1)he would have been paid if the other guy had won 2)he altered the other persons expectations while not intentionally, into taking a spot he might not have otherwise. Even if the wording might otherwise not be well thought out. What expectations are set matter.

The story isn't exactly analogous. But it does lead to the question what exactly was said? And how does that prep the expectations of both parties. Can you guys just post what was said in regards to that?

I think once you paid him out after the first week, then it's implied on the side that he'll be receiving the whole amount, unless you specified before hand that you'll be keeping some of the $ towards the bankroll in cases he loses since it isnt standard procedure to do so. If this wasn't discussed, then imo he deserves half of the first week. Sucks for the backer, similar situation happened to me 6 years ago with a friend. I was a little bitter at first w/ my friend, but ended just being annoyed at myself for the situation.

ROFL misconmuccation

My word doesn't mean much here, but I have had a small bit of experience with staking years ago.

So Jlost just assumes his horse is going to know all the details about the stake without actually telling his horse all the details? Seems either really scummy or just major incompetence. Also wording things like "We get paid weekly" and then later in this thread saying "I said we get paid weekly, but I didn't say that I pay YOU weekly" is majorly scummy. Or again, massive incompetence.

On November 27 2020 12:00 Trav94 wrote: My word doesn't mean much here, but I have had a small bit of experience with staking years ago. So Jlost just assumes his horse is going to know all the details about the stake without actually telling his horse all the details? Seems either really scummy or just major incompetence. Also wording things like "We get paid weekly" and then later in this thread saying "I said we get paid weekly, but I didn't say that I pay YOU weekly" is majorly scummy. Or again, massive incompetence.

Was thinking the same as I was reading. If you say to someone you get paid weekly, why would the horse assume it would be anything other than what he's owed unless it is specified otherwise.

Also, you state multiple times you rushed into it, you messaged me in July in regards to a similar staking arrangement so it's not like this just came together overnight..

On November 27 2020 10:22 FrinkX wrote: ROFL misconmuccation

Grammar police alert. Serious why do you even post if you have nothing good to say.

On November 27 2020 14:03 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 12:00 Trav94 wrote: My word doesn't mean much here, but I have had a small bit of experience with staking years ago. So Jlost just assumes his horse is going to know all the details about the stake without actually telling his horse all the details? Seems either really scummy or just major incompetence. Also wording things like "We get paid weekly" and then later in this thread saying "I said we get paid weekly, but I didn't say that I pay YOU weekly" is majorly scummy. Or again, massive incompetence. Was thinking the same as I was reading. If you say to someone you get paid weekly, why would the horse assume it would be anything other than what he's owed unless it is specified otherwise. Also, you state multiple times you rushed into it, you messaged me in July in regards to a similar staking arrangement so it's not like this just came together overnight..

It was rush, after thinking about it, u guys are right. I left out key details cause the stake was rush. I’ll pay what is owe and move on. If it’s wasn’t rush I would never paid in full every week. The deal was agreed in 2 minutes without proper detail. I’ll bite the bullet and learn for next time. It’s not standard to pay full everyweek

Doomer literally Oddeye posted the exact detail in the chat. There was no concrete detail. Just 50-50 everything but I made a huge mistake and not clearly stating my thought. Lesson learn to state everything.

On November 27 2020 12:00 Trav94 wrote: My word doesn't mean much here, but I have had a small bit of experience with staking years ago. So Jlost just assumes his horse is going to know all the details about the stake without actually telling his horse all the details? Seems either really scummy or just major incompetence. Also wording things like "We get paid weekly" and then later in this thread saying "I said we get paid weekly, but I didn't say that I pay YOU weekly" is majorly scummy. Or again, massive incompetence.

It was massive incompetence, first staking deal in years. I would never stake anyone on PokerStars or any regular site but the app had a lot of fish and a nl25 winner can win at nl100 or 200.

On November 27 2020 05:07 Ryan Neilly wrote: i really like how doomer stated it, ive been backed a lot, he truly says how i feel about it, i truly think john isn't trying to hurt the guy, to john $230 is like $6.25. i learned a ton in this thread too, been through a similar spot where i had funds withehld 560 in rakeback and never said anything............ didn't see a reason to blow up someone over 560 when he taught me so much which has turned me a ton of profit... i never would but it really hurt my life for a minute

230 is a week of grocery so it means something lol plus I’m fugilistic now. Don’t make as much in poker as I use to.

On November 27 2020 09:31 Raidan wrote: I think once you paid him out after the first week, then it's implied on the side that he'll be receiving the whole amount, unless you specified before hand that you'll be keeping some of the $ towards the bankroll in cases he loses since it isnt standard procedure to do so. If this wasn't discussed, then imo he deserves half of the first week. Sucks for the backer, similar situation happened to me 6 years ago with a friend. I was a little bitter at first w/ my friend, but ended just being annoyed at myself for the situation.

Paying out every week isn’t standard too but wanted to show him it was not a scam. I don’t even know what standard is. If we go by standard he gets paid in a month so....

On November 27 2020 14:38 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 10:22 FrinkX wrote: ROFL misconmuccation Grammar police alert. Serious why do you even post if you have nothing good to say.

What I wrote isn't bad or good, it is laughing at something that is genuinely funny. This goes past 'grammar police'. The combination of you typoing as well as horrendously misspelling that word is REALLY funny. Seriously, look at it: misconmuccation --> miscommunication. I am sure someone else here appreciated my pointing it out.


You might get less "bad comments" if you stopped acting the same exact way as you did 10+ years ago.

Ok u are right, not gonna argue

F U G I L I S T I C

Imagine if your landlord said rent is due on the first of the money, you pay half, and he goes "where's the other half?" and you said "you didn't say ALL the rent"

I would consider that distinction of "i didnt say pay out full" after the deal has already started as unethical.

Look, you're not a scammer or scum or unethical, you're handling this well now, and I know it's shitty, but details matter, and these are not small details, this is how the deal was structured.

agreed with señor daut. Is what is it. doesnt make you a scammer or anything. Just a misunderstanding thats cleared up

On November 27 2020 15:03 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 09:31 Raidan wrote: I think once you paid him out after the first week, then it's implied on the side that he'll be receiving the whole amount, unless you specified before hand that you'll be keeping some of the $ towards the bankroll in cases he loses since it isnt standard procedure to do so. If this wasn't discussed, then imo he deserves half of the first week. Sucks for the backer, similar situation happened to me 6 years ago with a friend. I was a little bitter at first w/ my friend, but ended just being annoyed at myself for the situation. Paying out every week isn’t standard too but wanted to show him it was not a scam. I don’t even know what standard is. If we go by standard he gets paid in a month so....

I didn't mean paying out weekly as standard, I just meant once the horse is in the green and gets paid by his backer, getting paid in full is standard, and not holding back any of the profits to cover future losses is non standard.

But like others said glad its resolved and you're handling it well now.

On November 27 2020 15:00 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 05:07 Ryan Neilly wrote: i really like how doomer stated it, ive been backed a lot, he truly says how i feel about it, i truly think john isn't trying to hurt the guy, to john $230 is like $6.25. i learned a ton in this thread too, been through a similar spot where i had funds withehld 560 in rakeback and never said anything............ didn't see a reason to blow up someone over 560 when he taught me so much which has turned me a ton of profit... i never would but it really hurt my life for a minute 230 is a week of grocery so it means something lol plus I’m fugilistic now. Don’t make as much in poker as I use to.

what the hell does fugilistic mean

On November 28 2020 23:27 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2020 15:00 lostaccount wrote:   On November 27 2020 05:07 Ryan Neilly wrote: i really like how doomer stated it, ive been backed a lot, he truly says how i feel about it, i truly think john isn't trying to hurt the guy, to john $230 is like $6.25. i learned a ton in this thread too, been through a similar spot where i had funds withehld 560 in rakeback and never said anything............ didn't see a reason to blow up someone over 560 when he taught me so much which has turned me a ton of profit... i never would but it really hurt my life for a minute 230 is a week of grocery so it means something lol plus I’m fugilistic now. Don’t make as much in poker as I use to. what the hell does fugilistic mean

pugilistic. it means you fight bums in the street for spare change.

fugilistic is a combination of the word frugal and pugilistic.

Lol fugilistic is a word I made up, means frugal and wise. I sometimes like to be Shakespeare and make up words.

I already accept I owe

On November 25 2020 11:47 FrinkX wrote: in 2020 people are still doing business with Neilly & CO classic

this lol.

respect to Daut for taking this seriously and actually putting effort into solving this nonsense

^ Daut ftw.

All the crashing and reinstalling of this app is tilting as fuck

.

LOL

Hi Q long time no on LP

Me n neilly bringing LP to life again

On December 13 2020 03:46 MiPwnYa wrote: LOL

LOL

just so people dont think im a scammer oddeye has been paid in full.

Thought LP would have been dead by now. Instead I find a thread like this brings me back

I’m bringing sexy back

This thread has EvilSky vs jinshan0809 potential.

I’m a myth and a legend

Happy winter solstice and great conjunction to all

Was the stake with makeup?

we finished the deal if we make a new deal it would start from 0 makeup cause i feel bad for causing so much headache

but the terms would be more clear

Uhm, this guy is openly promoting his product on twitch. His product is pokerbots for all the big apps.

https://www.twitch.tv/poker_2021

How is this legal? Why are not twitch taking him down?

damn lostaccount stop promoting poker bots

On January 26 2021 11:36 FrinkX wrote: damn lostaccount stop promoting poker bots

Can’t need to make money

lol

let it be its quote so u still see the message haha peace is the way, karma is the way, Jesus is a way

On April 02 2024 17:37 lostaccount wrote: hey sorry loco for our past eh we both were idiots, I hope going in the future we can find a middle ground n be peaceful lol and sorry oddeye was bad communication hope ur doing well, not my intention to have a bad rep with oddeye. oddeye is a decent guy but we did both made money from the stake so in the end we both are happy I hope

I guess waiting 3.5 years to apologize to someone who will never see your apology is better than nothing...

oddeye post if u see it

Yup saw it. I was mad, I ain't mad anymore. You understand you lost it a little bit. It happens to me too. You can sleep in peace.
I truly am a lurker(but I switched to protoss; zerg is too hard T_T), even tho I hadn't logged on for a while. I still play poker.
Btw puerto I watched the vods interview and it was mad good to watch. Good insight.

On April 17 2024 13:11 Oddeye wrote: Yup saw it. I was mad, I ain't mad anymore. You understand you lost it a little bit. It happens to me too. You can sleep in peace. I truly am a lurker(but I switched to protoss; zerg is too hard T_T), even tho I hadn't logged on for a while. I still play poker. Btw puerto I watched the vods interview and it was mad good to watch. Good insight.

Hey any mods can close this thread? Thxs