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On October 12 2021 16:56 hiems wrote: https://youtu.be/BZ80mIQKRT0 Lmao

"people who disagree with me and whom have stupid opinions deserve not to work"
- hiems

I mean who gaf what the dude believes. Isn't he free to make his own choices? Is refusing a covid vax a valid reason to ruin people's lives? People are going to have to come to terms with their support for covid vaccine mandates and passports = people losing their jobs and livelihoods. You can be vaccinated and still think the mandates and passports are bullshit. And you shouldn't celebrate people's lack of work just because you disagree with their ideas. Ridiculous.

I worked the entire duration of COVID in the field. Not from home. I was fine taking the risk. Now I am going to lose my job for... continuing to do the same thing I've been doing since March 2020? Not caring about COVID and working? You should be glad people like me didn't GAF... my job cannot be done from home.

no one responds to the post in this thread about the family in Lithuania that apparently can't see a dentist/go to get groceries/participate in society due to passports. Is it because people want to ignore the consequences of their preference? Or to lostaccount having to go get fast food because he's not allowed in restaurants (if that was a joke I missed it.) There's consequences to supporting these policies and there is human suffering caused by them. I guess it is their fault for not complying though. They deserve to suffer for "being misinformed." They can end it at anytime by complying!

I deserve to get fired for being misinformed too. No other world views allowed. Nice!

On October 09 2021 15:45 Spitfiree wrote: This is an example of why we're against vaccine mandates: (Long thread, worth the read and honestly it's disturbing on many levels)

No one wants to touch this. Can anyone who is pro mandates respond? Is their suffering their fault for not agreeing with you? Is it justified? Is this misinformation?

I'm not sure if you noticed, but people here have mostly been negative towards forced vaccinations outside certain professions (for example imo if you work in a nursing home, you need to be vaccinated), and I agree that losing your job or not being allowed inside grocery stores or anywhere else basically constitutes being forced, even if nobody is actually injecting you with the vaccine.

We just also think not vaccinating is generally idiotic, and, as demonstrated by many European countries (not just Norway!), a vaccine-compliant population can actually lead to a country reopening without people feeling the need for these restrictions. Here, we don't have any mandates, because we got to ~90% of the adult population without them. The way I see it, support for the vaccine mandates is caused by desperation - people are absolutely sick of covid, there's a way to basically solve the problem (enough people vaccinating), and they imagine that if people are sufficiently inconvenienced, most will eventually budge. I can understand the thought process (without really agreeing with it).

I feel like there's a considerable element of petulancy involved tbh. That, however, is a predictable response, and part of why I'm skeptical towards attempt at strong-arming the population - you want the population to act in a smart, socially conscious way because they're educated on it being smart and they feel some degree of social responsibility leading them towards selflessness, you don't want to turn it into some type of power-struggle - even if you happen to be more powerful at the moment.

On October 13 2021 01:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: I'm not sure if you noticed, but people here have mostly been negative towards forced vaccinations outside certain professions (for example imo if you work in a nursing home, you need to be vaccinated), and I agree that losing your job or not being allowed inside grocery stores or anywhere else basically constitutes being forced, even if nobody is actually injecting you with the vaccine. We just also think not vaccinating is generally idiotic, and, as demonstrated by many European countries (not just Norway!), a vaccine-compliant population can actually lead to a country reopening without people feeling the need for these restrictions. Here, we don't have any mandates, because we got to ~90% of the adult population without them. The way I see it, support for the vaccine mandates is caused by desperation - people are absolutely sick of covid, there's a way to basically solve the problem (enough people vaccinating), and they imagine that if people are sufficiently inconvenienced, most will eventually budge. I can understand the thought process (without really agreeing with it). I feel like there's a considerable element of petulancy involved tbh. That, however, is a predictable response, and part of why I'm skeptical towards attempt at strong-arming the population - you want the population to act in a smart, socially conscious way because they're educated on it being smart and they feel some degree of social responsibility leading them towards selflessness, you don't want to turn it into some type of power-struggle - even if you happen to be more powerful at the moment.

That’s fair Drone. I think I would feel better about getting it if it didn’t feel forced. As stupid as that sounds, I have a natural push back on many issues tbh. I think a lot of people may have that inclination.

It seems like things are better in Norway than they are in certain US states (from my perspective, some may prefer tight restrictions and responses.) I apologize if I came across poorly. It has been frustrating dealing with it. I’ll probably vaccinate to keep my job if it comes down to it, it just seems unfair. Many of my coworkers are up in arms about it and believe the vaccine is detrimental to their health (believing in conspiracy theories imo.) So they are freaking out. I’m trying to ignore it and keep living my life but, it does seem like eventually we’ll all have to make a decision. I’m inclined to say I should stand up with them for what they perceive to be their rights. But I’m not interested in losing my income either. We’ll see. I’m used to being able to not take a side on things... so it’s frustrating.

Appreciate the response.

On October 13 2021 01:00 vasoline73 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 12 2021 16:56 hiems wrote: https://youtu.be/BZ80mIQKRT0 Lmao "people who disagree with me and whom have stupid opinions deserve not to work" - hiems I mean who gaf what the dude believes. Isn't he free to make his own choices? Is refusing a covid vax a valid reason to ruin people's lives? People are going to have to come to terms with their support for covid vaccine mandates and passports = people losing their jobs and livelihoods. You can be vaccinated and still think the mandates and passports are bullshit. And you shouldn't celebrate people's lack of work just because you disagree with their ideas. Ridiculous. I worked the entire duration of COVID in the field. Not from home. I was fine taking the risk. Now I am going to lose my job for... continuing to do the same thing I've been doing since March 2020? Not caring about COVID and working? You should be glad people like me didn't GAF... my job cannot be done from home. no one responds to the post in this thread about the family in Lithuania that apparently can't see a dentist/go to get groceries/participate in society due to passports. Is it because people want to ignore the consequences of their preference? Or to lostaccount having to go get fast food because he's not allowed in restaurants (if that was a joke I missed it.) There's consequences to supporting these policies and there is human suffering caused by them. I guess it is their fault for not complying though. They deserve to suffer for "being misinformed." They can end it at anytime by complying! I deserve to get fired for being misinformed too. No other world views allowed. Nice!

I was posting mostly cause I think kyrie is a dumbass and find him very entertaining not really to pick sides.

If I had to put a weight on whether kyrie being an antivaxxer means antivaxxing is stupid then yeah absolutely its a sign BUT it actually gets canceled out completely by Spitfiree being a vaxxer because generally you never want to be on the side he takes (he's famously called "always-wrong" by alot of ppl here).

I actually didn't have an opinion on whether employers forcing you to take the vaccine is tyranny or rather wasn't thinking much about it because I took the vaccine for various reasons so it didn't affect me but yea I'm inclined to think its kind of bullshit / tyranny if your employer is forcing you what choice do you have.

offtopic: why can't we open the blog posts? I get error messages for days now. Same with you guys?

So to everyone saying that you should get vaccinated for an altruistic reason, what you think of this recent study:

"Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States"
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7#Fig2

On October 15 2021 14:32 sChOuA wrote: So to everyone saying that you should get vaccinated for an altruistic reason, what you think of this recent study: "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7#Fig2

Not surprising. I think we know by now that these vaccines are pretty trash at preventing transmission, especially after the first few months when the immunity really starts to fade off. It's why Israel rushed to approve boosters for their entire population so quickly. It's also why they shifted the narrative from vaccines can prevent you from getting COVID to vaccines can prevent you from getting seriously ill and dying of COVID. The CDC announced they would stopped tracking breakthrough cases unless they were serious enough to cause hospitalization or death. I guess they don't want us to know that statistic.

I've always said you should not care about the unvaccinated getting their shots. If you think your shot protects you well enough then great, it doesn't matter if they get theirs. If you think your shot doesn't protect you well enough then you should stop trying to coerce people into getting a shot that offers shit protection.

Don't believe anyone thinks vaccinations should be done for altruistic reasons, they'd be either lying to you or themselves. I know I vaccinated myself to protect myself even though I'm not in any risk groups, having gone through how COVID affects your organism even if you go through it lightly is enough of a reason for me to get the vaccine.

Think we won't know the full impact of this pandemic until 20 to 30 years later when ex-covid patients start showing much earlier death age on average and even then we probably won't know since the pandemic will be long gone and nobody will care to track the reason for the decrease in life longevity. My whole point of 'the vaccines shouldn't be mandatory but any rational person should get one' is from the perspective that it benefits the individual and it's the rational choice. Not interested in propaganda-soaked statements. I'm yet to talk to someone that is anti-vaccine that has a rational reason to not take it, it's always some conspiracy theory behind it. The choice is simple really, you either make the decision to increase your odds of having a better life or you don't, there is no in-between and the vaccine has shown consistent results to be the former choice.

Also the 'anti the establishment' positions are horrible. You chose that topic specifically to be against the establishment and that was your sole reason... really... who are you lying to?

On October 13 2021 19:20 dnagardi wrote: offtopic: why can't we open the blog posts? I get error messages for days now. Same with you guys?

There's a workaround where you select 'Poker Blogs' and open a blog through there. Too bad you guys missed how hiems admitted to living with his parents for tax-evasion purposes. The stereotype of a conservative if I've seen one.

On October 15 2021 14:32 sChOuA wrote: So to everyone saying that you should get vaccinated for an altruistic reason, what you think of this recent study: "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7#Fig2

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-outcomes-covid-vaccination-1.6178449

This data shows the huge majority of the people who are in the hospitals are the unvaccinated. This is especially true among the younger population where vaccination seems to protect the young very very well.

On October 13 2021 19:36 lostaccount wrote: yea i made a thread on forum support but seems like naz n meat gave up on this site. they should sell it to someone who will actually care about the site. i buy this site n make 5-10 people mods if the price is right lol. how much u think naz or meat will sell this site for? baal buy this site lol

Meat hasn't been on the team for a while, Naz is the majority owner of Team Liquid that according to Forbes is valued at $310 million and we are tied to that company, so we are a liability to him (gambling and all), he has considered closing it but he decided to to keep it open since theres still a tiny OG community, so I don't think he would sell it and lose control of said liability for a few bucks.

Anyway, I contacted him to get the Blog section fixed and lol @ the support forum, you could tell your darkest secrets in there and they would be perfectly safe and never be ever read.

Naz is like one of the only people that when I think about it I am embarrassed by some of my blog activity. There is no way I want to go back and look at some of them but I picture Naz just sitting there with a look of disapproval on his face... T.T

On October 16 2021 03:01 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2021 19:36 lostaccount wrote: yea i made a thread on forum support but seems like naz n meat gave up on this site. they should sell it to someone who will actually care about the site. i buy this site n make 5-10 people mods if the price is right lol. how much u think naz or meat will sell this site for? baal buy this site lol Meat hasn't been on the team for a while, Naz is the majority owner of Team Liquid that according to Forbes is valued at $310 million and we are tied to that company, so we are a liability to him (gambling and all), he has considered closing it but I asked him to keep it open since theres still a tiny OG community, so I don't think he would sell it and lose control of said liability for a few bucks. Anyway, I contacted him to get the Blog section fixed and lol @ the support forum, you could tell your darkest secrets in there and they would be perfectly safe and never be ever read.

...So you're saying I'm the #1 poster of a 300m dollar company.

On October 16 2021 03:54 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On October 16 2021 03:01 Baalim wrote:   On October 13 2021 19:36 lostaccount wrote: yea i made a thread on forum support but seems like naz n meat gave up on this site. they should sell it to someone who will actually care about the site. i buy this site n make 5-10 people mods if the price is right lol. how much u think naz or meat will sell this site for? baal buy this site lol Meat hasn't been on the team for a while, Naz is the majority owner of Team Liquid that according to Forbes is valued at $310 million and we are tied to that company, so we are a liability to him (gambling and all), he has considered closing it but I asked him to keep it open since theres still a tiny OG community, so I don't think he would sell it and lose control of said liability for a few bucks. Anyway, I contacted him to get the Blog section fixed and lol @ the support forum, you could tell your darkest secrets in there and they would be perfectly safe and never be ever read. ...So you're saying I'm the #1 poster of a 300m dollar company.

Not exactly. Companies can own many different web sites or apps. Think of facebook owning Whatsapp, facebook, insta.
The "liquidpoker" part is worthless lol

On October 16 2021 04:44 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 16 2021 03:54 hiems wrote:   On October 16 2021 03:01 Baalim wrote:   On October 13 2021 19:36 lostaccount wrote: yea i made a thread on forum support but seems like naz n meat gave up on this site. they should sell it to someone who will actually care about the site. i buy this site n make 5-10 people mods if the price is right lol. how much u think naz or meat will sell this site for? baal buy this site lol Meat hasn't been on the team for a while, Naz is the majority owner of Team Liquid that according to Forbes is valued at $310 million and we are tied to that company, so we are a liability to him (gambling and all), he has considered closing it but I asked him to keep it open since theres still a tiny OG community, so I don't think he would sell it and lose control of said liability for a few bucks. Anyway, I contacted him to get the Blog section fixed and lol @ the support forum, you could tell your darkest secrets in there and they would be perfectly safe and never be ever read. ...So you're saying I'm the #1 poster of a 300m dollar company. Not exactly. Companies can own many different web sites or apps. Think of facebook owning Whatsapp, facebook, insta. The "liquidpoker" part is worthless lol

So you're saying liquidpoker is like the fookin tree from avatar and im the chosen great leader that must save everybody then.

team liquid the proteam has distanced itself from the various community sites, and not wanting to be associated/represented by / responsible for what is written by those sites is to my understanding the essential reasoning.

So it's not a liability (because formal ties are cut). tl.net probably enjoys enough traffic to be more of an asset still, but no way LP really benefits the team in any way.

Damn 310 millions, well at least he keeps the shelter open for us old warrior. I guess in general our total wealth isn't that bad either. I wish we had more people like nazgul visiting us tho. I got so many good memories of TL but I never really visit it. Still a huge fan of BW tho, so much skill in that game.

Edit: Wow floofy!