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On October 27 2021 06:55 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 27 2021 06:33 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 26 2021 04:35 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 26 2021 01:50 Stroggoz wrote: My problem with Chomsky's position is that he doesn't use statistics to back it up. He needs to explain to me how much of a danger someone is if they are walking around unvaccinated, in a society where 80%+ people are vaccinated. Driving through a red light is going to kill/injure people a lot of the time so i'm not sure if the analogy is really that appropriate. People spent their entire lives not giving a fuck about the people that died of the flu virus but if some small fraction of people die from the coronavirus despite being vaccinated we need to ship the unvaccinated off to camps. What do you mean, the US has had vaccine mandates since before covid-kid's in school are required to have their vaccines for range of diseases, and their forced isolation is sending them back home if they don't get them, not to camps (lol). Chomsky's position is consistent with the past-whether it's justified or not. What do you mean what do I mean? 60,000 people died of the flu in 2018, was anyone posting about masks or social distancing or vaccine mandates then? No. Everyone unanimously agreed to shrug their shoulders and go on about their day just like we do every flu season.

Who is saying people need to be shipped off to camps? It's not Chomsky-can you provide a quote? So that's what i'm asking, because vaccine mandates have never been about shipping people to camps, they have been about refusing entry to certain social areas.

Yeah there are lots of unnecessary deaths from all sorts of problems and i agree there should be more focus on deaths from flu, ect. I regularly bring up those kinds of topics in the politics thread but people are generally more interested in twitter culture.

On October 27 2021 12:28 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 27 2021 06:55 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 27 2021 06:33 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 26 2021 04:35 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 26 2021 01:50 Stroggoz wrote: My problem with Chomsky's position is that he doesn't use statistics to back it up. He needs to explain to me how much of a danger someone is if they are walking around unvaccinated, in a society where 80%+ people are vaccinated. Driving through a red light is going to kill/injure people a lot of the time so i'm not sure if the analogy is really that appropriate. People spent their entire lives not giving a fuck about the people that died of the flu virus but if some small fraction of people die from the coronavirus despite being vaccinated we need to ship the unvaccinated off to camps. What do you mean, the US has had vaccine mandates since before covid-kid's in school are required to have their vaccines for range of diseases, and their forced isolation is sending them back home if they don't get them, not to camps (lol). Chomsky's position is consistent with the past-whether it's justified or not. What do you mean what do I mean? 60,000 people died of the flu in 2018, was anyone posting about masks or social distancing or vaccine mandates then? No. Everyone unanimously agreed to shrug their shoulders and go on about their day just like we do every flu season. Who is saying people need to be shipped off to camps? It's not Chomsky-can you provide a quote? So that's what i'm asking, because vaccine mandates have never been about shipping people to camps, they have been about refusing entry to certain social areas. Yeah there are lots of unnecessary deaths from all sorts of problems and i agree there should be more focus on deaths from flu, ect. I regularly bring up those kinds of topics in the politics thread but people are generally more interested in twitter culture.

Well he said "the issue is how do we get food to them" and also "if they don't isolate voluntarily then measures will have to be taken to remove them" or something along those lines. There's an obvious implication that people that don't vaccinate should be removed from society by threat of force. Whether it's "camps" or detention centers or some kind of house arrest, I don't think the fine details really matter as much as what he is advocating for

std "libertarian" left lol

On October 28 2021 04:48 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 27 2021 12:28 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 27 2021 06:55 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 27 2021 06:33 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 26 2021 04:35 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 26 2021 01:50 Stroggoz wrote: My problem with Chomsky's position is that he doesn't use statistics to back it up. He needs to explain to me how much of a danger someone is if they are walking around unvaccinated, in a society where 80%+ people are vaccinated. Driving through a red light is going to kill/injure people a lot of the time so i'm not sure if the analogy is really that appropriate. People spent their entire lives not giving a fuck about the people that died of the flu virus but if some small fraction of people die from the coronavirus despite being vaccinated we need to ship the unvaccinated off to camps. What do you mean, the US has had vaccine mandates since before covid-kid's in school are required to have their vaccines for range of diseases, and their forced isolation is sending them back home if they don't get them, not to camps (lol). Chomsky's position is consistent with the past-whether it's justified or not. What do you mean what do I mean? 60,000 people died of the flu in 2018, was anyone posting about masks or social distancing or vaccine mandates then? No. Everyone unanimously agreed to shrug their shoulders and go on about their day just like we do every flu season. Who is saying people need to be shipped off to camps? It's not Chomsky-can you provide a quote? So that's what i'm asking, because vaccine mandates have never been about shipping people to camps, they have been about refusing entry to certain social areas. Yeah there are lots of unnecessary deaths from all sorts of problems and i agree there should be more focus on deaths from flu, ect. I regularly bring up those kinds of topics in the politics thread but people are generally more interested in twitter culture. Well he said "the issue is how do we get food to them" and also "if they don't isolate voluntarily then measures will have to be taken to remove them" or something along those lines. There's an obvious implication that people that don't vaccinate should be removed from society by threat of force. Whether it's "camps" or detention centers or some kind of house arrest, I don't think the fine details really matter as much as what he is advocating for

Firstly, Chomsky isn't advocating any sort of force:

"People who refuse to accept vaccines, I think the right response for them is not to force them to but rather to insist that they be isolated,"-Noam Chomsky.

The details definitely matter to me. If it's not letting unvaccinated have certain jobs or go to school then that's no different than pre-covid policy. That's already in place for certain jobs regarding vaccines for things like measals. If it was camps then that would be totally unprecedented and unjustified. The question that interviewer asked (im guessing we saw the same interview) about getting food to people is a bit uncharitable; anti-vaxxers may be irrational at times but they generally don't starve themselves to death. I think the assumption there was that unvaccinated are going to be sitting in their house all day if they can't go to work or social areas. Pretty sure they all know how to buy food online.

Anything like camps would just make anti-vaxxers more radicalized than they already are, aside from it being an unjustified infringement on their rights.

On October 28 2021 06:23 Baalim wrote: std "libertarian" left lol

The main point of liberty that John Stuart Mill argued for was that individual liberty should be increased up to the point that it reduces anyone else's liberty. I think he'd be turning in his grave at the new libertarians that don't seem to recognize that concept. I think I'm actually starting to miss the Ron Paul style libertarianism of a decade ago.

On October 28 2021 06:26 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2021 04:48 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 27 2021 12:28 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 27 2021 06:55 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 27 2021 06:33 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 26 2021 04:35 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 26 2021 01:50 Stroggoz wrote: My problem with Chomsky's position is that he doesn't use statistics to back it up. He needs to explain to me how much of a danger someone is if they are walking around unvaccinated, in a society where 80%+ people are vaccinated. Driving through a red light is going to kill/injure people a lot of the time so i'm not sure if the analogy is really that appropriate. People spent their entire lives not giving a fuck about the people that died of the flu virus but if some small fraction of people die from the coronavirus despite being vaccinated we need to ship the unvaccinated off to camps. What do you mean, the US has had vaccine mandates since before covid-kid's in school are required to have their vaccines for range of diseases, and their forced isolation is sending them back home if they don't get them, not to camps (lol). Chomsky's position is consistent with the past-whether it's justified or not. What do you mean what do I mean? 60,000 people died of the flu in 2018, was anyone posting about masks or social distancing or vaccine mandates then? No. Everyone unanimously agreed to shrug their shoulders and go on about their day just like we do every flu season. Who is saying people need to be shipped off to camps? It's not Chomsky-can you provide a quote? So that's what i'm asking, because vaccine mandates have never been about shipping people to camps, they have been about refusing entry to certain social areas. Yeah there are lots of unnecessary deaths from all sorts of problems and i agree there should be more focus on deaths from flu, ect. I regularly bring up those kinds of topics in the politics thread but people are generally more interested in twitter culture. Well he said "the issue is how do we get food to them" and also "if they don't isolate voluntarily then measures will have to be taken to remove them" or something along those lines. There's an obvious implication that people that don't vaccinate should be removed from society by threat of force. Whether it's "camps" or detention centers or some kind of house arrest, I don't think the fine details really matter as much as what he is advocating for Firstly, Chomsky isn't advocating any sort of force: "People who refuse to accept vaccines, I think the right response for them is not to force them to but rather to insist that they be isolated,"-Noam Chomsky. The details definitely matter to me. If it's not letting unvaccinated have certain jobs or go to school then that's no different than pre-covid policy. That's already in place for certain jobs regarding vaccines for things like measals. If it was camps then that would be totally unprecedented and unjustified. The question that interviewer asked (im guessing we saw the same interview) about getting food to people is a bit uncharitable; anti-vaxxers may be irrational at times but they generally don't starve themselves to death. I think the assumption there was that unvaccinated are going to be sitting in their house all day if they can't go to work or social areas. Pretty sure they all know how to buy food online. Anything like camps would just make anti-vaxxers more radicalized than they already are, aside from it being an unjustified infringement on their rights.

He said "People should have the decency to remove themselves but if they refuse measures have to be taken."

What measures do you think he is referring to? Asking them again to remove themselves but this time more nicely?

He also compared them to people that refuse to obey traffic laws. What do you think police do with people that refuse to obey traffic laws?


Restaurants are being shut down for refusing to check people's vaccine papers. You can pretend like these aren't unprecedented times all you want.

he couldnt give really a good argument why a healthy 30 year old should get vaccinated

Because covid-19 is the worst flu you will ever have in your life, that alone is enough reason for me. Most vaxxed people experience a very mild flu if they become fully infected at all. Is that not enough reason for you? Do you enjoy getting colds and other shit throughout the year? Wouldnt it be nice to just not get sick with anything at all if you could?

One of my coworkers got covid and it fucked with his brain. He was actually out for like 3 months and when he finally returned to the office he's never been the same. He's slow, forgetful, fucks things up all the time, has to be told shit repeatedly, etc. And he's perfectly healthy otherwise, does 3 mile runs on his lunchbreak a couple of times per week, looks reasonably fit, etc. I cant even go to him for anything anymore and constantly have to fix his mistakes, and he's all apologetic now saying "oh whoops, sorry man, forgot about that" even though he's worked here 4 years longer than me. It's so bad he got passed over for a management role and was instead given to a total nobody whilst he's been here for 6 years being groomed for it.

Meanwhile my ex-gf got it and she was over it by day 7 with no issues whatsoever, and she's a lawyer so she has to stay on top of her game to keep her job.

Point is covid sucks, you dont want it & you definitely dont want to give it someone.

newbsaibot is a hard conservative that managed to break out of the group think and is pro vaccine, kudos to you sir.

On November 01 2021 07:38 Baalim wrote: newbsaibot is a hard conservative that managed to break out of the group think and is pro vaccine, kudos to you sir.

conservatives can break their group think once they are personally affected. e.g. Dick Cheney being supportive of gays rights cause his daughter is gay or the Reagans being supporting of stem-cell research because they thought it could help Ronald Reagan's alzheimers

Congrats on the new mutation, now the West will understand how uncool it is to only cater to their own needs and completely ignore Africa/3rd World countries when it comes to the vaccination needs. We're in for a real shitshow now.

And while I was somewhat fine with the people around me that did no want to vaccinate themselves, actually becoming a bit worried now since this one might be much much worse than anything so far.

On November 26 2021 23:15 Spitfiree wrote: Congrats on the new mutation, now the West will understand how uncool it is to only cater to their own needs and completely ignore Africa/3rd World countries when it comes to the vaccination needs. We're in for a real shitshow now. And while I was somewhat fine with the people around me that did no want to vaccinate themselves, actually becoming a bit worried now since this one might be much much worse than anything so far.

They were giving out boosters cause it was still spreading like wildfire, which also can lead to new variants. New variants were inevitable unless we could give out 2 shots + booster to the entire world in a 3 month span.

On November 26 2021 23:15 Spitfiree wrote: Congrats on the new mutation, now the West will understand how uncool it is to only cater to their own needs and completely ignore Africa/3rd World countries when it comes to the vaccination needs. We're in for a real shitshow now. And while I was somewhat fine with the people around me that did no want to vaccinate themselves, actually becoming a bit worried now since this one might be much much worse than anything so far.

Hmm better invite more 3rd worlders so you can rescue them

People who rape babies to cure AIDS and can't run governments or economies need the white civilization to swoop in and vaccinate them all? Isn't that a little racist?

"It's the West's fault there are covid variants because the West created billions of doses of covid vaccines and didn't share" - A Retard

I recommend occupying Afghanistan until every last Taliban is double vaxxed plus booster and masked

I have bad news jabbies
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X9oMvf6dbhCi/
That guy is already dead (Dr Andreas Noack)

^ so the above video demonstrates the facinating deductive skills of your average anti-vaxxer; they get all of their "news" strictly from social media and dont fact check any of it. On top of that, you will usually see top comments on their sources dressed up with lots of technical sounding language meant to add authenticity to the claims by virtue of the comment coming from a 3rd party which broods a sense of credibility because "why would they lie? They dont even know the man". I see this all the time whenever I decide to dive into the conspiritard world a little. It's rather formulaic to be honest. A lot of circular proof and evidence gathering that if you follow the trail runs cold rather quickly.

It'd be like if I invented some poker strat, baal backed it up, 3 people who arent even affiliated with poker whatsoever give baal the thumbs up, and then the whole story gets reposted on another poker forum. By this point you have established 5 points of verification, at least to a simpleton. They will now trust in what has been quoted because they assume the quote has already been proven to be true.

Yet to hear a valid anti-vaxxer argument
It's been over a year


Santa just because you're emotionally numb doesn't mean the rest of us are pieces of shit too fwiw. Suggest you start therapy if you wanna stop being angry at windmills all the time.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ju3wAZKJbFYG/

Arrested there a year ago his girlfriend says he was poisoned. (the other vid is newer died shortly after)

On November 27 2021 11:52 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2021 23:15 Spitfiree wrote: Congrats on the new mutation, now the West will understand how uncool it is to only cater to their own needs and completely ignore Africa/3rd World countries when it comes to the vaccination needs. We're in for a real shitshow now. And while I was somewhat fine with the people around me that did no want to vaccinate themselves, actually becoming a bit worried now since this one might be much much worse than anything so far. Hmm better invite more 3rd worlders so you can rescue them

he live in bulgaria, he is the 3rd world

Any evidence thats even his girlfriend? So far no obituary or any public record of his death. From what I read he was not the intended target of that police raid and was released shortly after. He got swatted or something, possibly did it to himself. Is he even a real doctor? Seems like everything about him just points to more conspiritard hangouts.

Vaccines are about not overwhelming healthcare and hospitals right?

I mean you still spread covid if you are vaccinated just less % chance you will spread it and less % chance you end up in hospital?

Portugal that has super high vaccination rates now realised this and even vaccinated people have to have fresh tests to get to places.

covid vaccine =/= normal one, we here have a lot of people who get normal vaccines (many are mandatory, almost nobody minds, anti Vaxxers haven't been a thing here really pre covid) who don't get the covid ones