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On December 08 2021 10:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: Funny how he keeps holding her arm lol. I'm sure she's about to make a break for it if he lets her go. For the record I'm not a fan of the new austrian rules, nor am I fond of vaccine-based segregation of society. In Norway we're pretty much only using 'recommendations' and hoping people adhere to them rather than making stricter laws that are subject to punishment if not followed. My issue with the link is that it's so fundamentally unreliable in parts of its reporting (because of the 'return to fascism' argument they insist on presenting) that everything ends up being unreliable. I also think 'spend more money on health care so they can handle an uptake in patients' rather than trying to set the amount of nurses to the bare minimum to manage a regular flu season as long as people work plenty overtime makes sense. Does require slightly higher taxes across the board or the reduction of some other program (for countries with socialized health care), but I think people are generally more positive towards this than towards flatten the curve-style periodical lockdowns. I understood/supported harsher measures in early 2020 before we had vaccines and when there were a whole lot of uncertainties regarding how dangerous covid was/is, but where I live - even with the (by far) highest infection counts we've ever had, deaths and hospitalizations aren't anything noteworthy compared to a regular flu season.

I wasn't making an argument, I was just posting vids showing retarded measures, I think we are broadly on the same page about covid (except on the taxation thing lol)

I also was an advocate for very strong and fast action, snap closing borders, agg testing and hard local lockdowns, n95s because we didn't know what we were dealing with, now we have the vaccine and it isnt very effective, the escape is too high so heard immunity cannot be reached so mandatory vaccination is retarded, maybe there is a time when an apocalyptic virus merits that, but this one isn't it.

The silver lining is that this display of authoritarism around the world is waking a global anti-government sentiment.

On December 08 2021 22:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2021 10:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: Funny how he keeps holding her arm lol. I'm sure she's about to make a break for it if he lets her go. For the record I'm not a fan of the new austrian rules, nor am I fond of vaccine-based segregation of society. In Norway we're pretty much only using 'recommendations' and hoping people adhere to them rather than making stricter laws that are subject to punishment if not followed. My issue with the link is that it's so fundamentally unreliable in parts of its reporting (because of the 'return to fascism' argument they insist on presenting) that everything ends up being unreliable. I also think 'spend more money on health care so they can handle an uptake in patients' rather than trying to set the amount of nurses to the bare minimum to manage a regular flu season as long as people work plenty overtime makes sense. Does require slightly higher taxes across the board or the reduction of some other program (for countries with socialized health care), but I think people are generally more positive towards this than towards flatten the curve-style periodical lockdowns. I understood/supported harsher measures in early 2020 before we had vaccines and when there were a whole lot of uncertainties regarding how dangerous covid was/is, but where I live - even with the (by far) highest infection counts we've ever had, deaths and hospitalizations aren't anything noteworthy compared to a regular flu season. I wasn't making an argument, I was just posting vids showing retarded measures, I think we are broadly on the same page about covid (except on the taxation thing lol) I also was an advocate for very strong and fast action, snap closing borders, agg testing and hard local lockdowns, n95s because we didn't know what we were dealing with, now we have the vaccine and it isnt very effective, the escape is too high so heard immunity cannot be reached so mandatory vaccination is retarded, maybe there is a time when an apocalyptic virus merits that, but this one isn't it. The silver lining is that this display of authoritarism around the world is waking a global anti-government sentiment.

Yes, I was also an advocate for strong measures at the start of the pandemic when the WHO was estimating the mortality rate of COVID at 3.4%. From my recollection everyone was on board with "two weeks to flatten the curve." It's only after there was new information when we found out that the mortality rate wasn't 3.4% but closer to 1% and for healthy adults closer to 0.1% and "two weeks to flatten to curve" became "we are never going back to normalcy" that the protests started. Now we have vaccines and those healthy adults that are vaccinated have a mortality rate of 0.01% or even much less. It's amazing how many people have never been able to move off that initial panic. I can't imagine finding out that I'm 340x less likely to die from a disease than the earliest estimates and still being just as afraid of it.

On December 08 2021 12:16 lostaccount wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2021 03:25 NewbSaibot wrote:   On December 06 2021 19:39 lostaccount wrote: You just can’t see the big picture with the vaccine. Have fun with ur good life Ah yes, the big picture, and therein lies the root of all conspiracy minded people; the belief that they are smarter than everyone else & that they have the inside scoop, when in reality it's all just blatant projection of their own insecurities as they know deep down inside there is nothing special about them and that they might in fact be as stupid as they fear they are. Lol keep listening to ur government then, time will tell who is on the right side. Have a good life buddy

So you are against all vaccines or just this one? Because people made the same arguments as you against the polio vaccine.

On December 09 2021 00:43 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2021 12:16 lostaccount wrote:   On December 08 2021 03:25 NewbSaibot wrote:   On December 06 2021 19:39 lostaccount wrote: You just can’t see the big picture with the vaccine. Have fun with ur good life Ah yes, the big picture, and therein lies the root of all conspiracy minded people; the belief that they are smarter than everyone else & that they have the inside scoop, when in reality it's all just blatant projection of their own insecurities as they know deep down inside there is nothing special about them and that they might in fact be as stupid as they fear they are. Lol keep listening to ur government then, time will tell who is on the right side. Have a good life buddy So you are against all vaccines or just this one? Because people made the same arguments as you against the polio vaccine.

I’m against this vaccine don’t know about others, haven’t done my research on others.

On December 08 2021 03:25 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2021 19:39 lostaccount wrote: You just can’t see the big picture with the vaccine. Have fun with ur good life Ah yes, the big picture, and therein lies the root of all conspiracy minded people; the belief that they are smarter than everyone else & that they have the inside scoop, when in reality it's all just blatant projection of their own insecurities as they know deep down inside there is nothing special about them and that they might in fact be as stupid as they fear they are.

The funny part is the conspiracy theories are always counter-intuitive e.g. it's the vaccinated people that are 'submissive' to authority that will get slaughtered, not the ones against the 'authority'. Also apparently the big government people ... who also vaccinated themselves ... will use the vaccine for the new world order? Maybe it's Musk's experiment to inject ?? with bodies that will make us mutate and make it easier to terraform Mars


The video with the german lady... I don't think anyone here is an advocate for such measures, but it's also not a surprising turn of events considering the Germans have one of the lowest vaccination rates in West Europe and the constant fear propaganda is putting people on edge. The corona is quite an eye-opening event showing how incapable we are to deal with global issues. There's like 5 countries on the planet that weren't retarded and some of them start having trouble now e.g. South Korea just hit their peak of cases/deaths since the start of the pandemic

everyone is in church on sunday except Loco...

only two possible explanations...

either 1) there's no evidence for god or 2) he's a worthless sinning heathen
simple application of occam's razor tells me #2 is almost certainly true because it's unlikely all those people in church are wrong

more great logic brought to you by the university of corrective violence

On December 09 2021 07:52 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2021 03:25 NewbSaibot wrote:   On December 06 2021 19:39 lostaccount wrote: You just can’t see the big picture with the vaccine. Have fun with ur good life Ah yes, the big picture, and therein lies the root of all conspiracy minded people; the belief that they are smarter than everyone else & that they have the inside scoop, when in reality it's all just blatant projection of their own insecurities as they know deep down inside there is nothing special about them and that they might in fact be as stupid as they fear they are. The funny part is the conspiracy theories are always counter-intuitive e.g. it's the vaccinated people that are 'submissive' to authority that will get slaughtered, not the ones against the 'authority'. Also apparently the big government people ... who also vaccinated themselves ... will use the vaccine for the new world order? Maybe it's Musk's experiment to inject ?? with bodies that will make us mutate and make it easier to terraform Mars The video with the german lady... I don't think anyone here is an advocate for such measures, but it's also not a surprising turn of events considering the Germans have one of the lowest vaccination rates in West Europe and the constant fear propaganda is putting people on edge. The corona is quite an eye-opening event showing how incapable we are to deal with global issues. There's like 5 countries on the planet that weren't retarded and some of them start having trouble now e.g. South Korea just hit their peak of cases/deaths since the start of the pandemic

I think the incompetence has been shown mostly by institutions and states, the most obvious case the WHO's blatant corruption in China, the no-mask thing etc, the sad part is that there will be no repercussinos, the WHO should be dissolved, clearly it's incompetent and serves no purpose other than beaurocrats gobbling money.

The frustrating part is that many people still support it because they like the idea of it ignoring the reality of it, It's a mindset in many left-leaning people for example my guess is that Drone wouldn't be for defunding despise what they did, the concept of a global institution dedicated to healthcare with emphasis on the despossesed feels too warm and cozy to let go.

I'm ok with de-funding it or disbanding it as long as some fucked up private organization doesn't get paid for equally or more corrupt / bad behavior. Especially, if it's some arm / subsidiary of Raytheon or something crazy like that.

And to defend against the claim that I would say this about any corporation I would rather have the money go to an operation like Palantir than the current WHO, a new WHO, or any legacy corporations.

I would prefer mutual aid and direct action but there is no way that scales past local level for the most part. We could technically crowd fund open source something but Palantir has many of the best minds so it's not realistic at this point. We are all Earth citizens but states and state powers don't perceive it that way.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump...unced-booster-pro-vaccination-2021-12

Half of LP right now

Trumps definitely not as dumb as he pretends to be.

On December 21 2021 09:28 Spitfiree wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump...unced-booster-pro-vaccination-2021-12 Half of LP right now

who?

On December 21 2021 11:03 Stroggoz wrote: Trumps definitely not as dumb as he pretends to be.

dont think there are any dumb guy billionaires. show me a dumb guy billionaire and ill show u show how stupid u r.

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Update on COVID for anyone no longer following along. This Omicron variant is really weak. It's mostly causing sore throats and runny noses. There is very few COVID-pneumonia, hypoxia, patients requiring supplemental oxygen, intubation, etc.

But don't take my word for it, here's a Kaiser/CDC study that came out recently:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1

53% less risk of symptomatic hospitalization
74% less risk of ICU admission
91% less risk of death
0 Omicron patients of 52,297 cases required mechanical ventilation


91% less risk of death and not a single patient of 52,297 Omicron cases required mechanical ventilation. Keep in mind that this 91% is in addition to an already reduced risk of death that we have had since the vaccines came out. So while lostaccount and others were quite stupid in calling COVID no worse than the flu previously, now that is entirely the case. In fact it may even less harmful than the flu.

Has the government responded to this new data that Omicron is less harmful than other variants by loosening restrictions and restoring freedom? No, just the opposite, they are trying to implement harsher measures, more vaccine passports, more vaccines mandates, more masking of children, more school closures, etc.

California has had their highest wave of cases ever and their deaths have yet to move an inch from near-zero. ICU capacity has not budged an inch. We're also past the peak and cases are on the downfall so even with some lag time we would have seen some change by now.

In California the weekly death rate is 0.1 per 100,000. In San Francisco the weekly death rate is 0.02 per 100,000.

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To put that in perspective, the weekly death rate from fentanyl overdoses is about 50x higher than the weekly death rate from COVID right now.

my kid had omicron and we stay in close proximity with her all the time, it's just the fuckin flu now.
ive had the booster last week though and still keep safe because covid will never go away but the world has got to help the economy get running again and stop giving all manufacturing to china ffs.

On January 19 2022 01:39 blackjacki2 wrote: Update on COVID for anyone no longer following along. This Omicron variant is really weak. It's mostly causing sore throats and runny noses. There is very few COVID-pneumonia, hypoxia, patients requiring supplemental oxygen, intubation, etc. But don't take my word for it, here's a Kaiser/CDC study that came out recently: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1 53% less risk of symptomatic hospitalization 74% less risk of ICU admission 91% less risk of death 0 Omicron patients of 52,297 cases required mechanical ventilation 91% less risk of death and not a single patient of 52,297 Omicron cases required mechanical ventilation. Keep in mind that this 91% is in addition to an already reduced risk of death that we have had since the vaccines came out. So while lostaccount and others were quite stupid in calling COVID no worse than the flu previously, now that is entirely the case. In fact it may even less harmful than the flu. Has the government responded to this new data that Omicron is less harmful than other variants by loosening restrictions and restoring freedom? No, just the opposite, they are trying to implement harsher measures, more vaccine passports, more vaccines mandates, more masking of children, more school closures, etc. California has had their highest wave of cases ever and their deaths have yet to move an inch from near-zero. ICU capacity has not budged an inch. We're also past the peak and cases are on the downfall so even with some lag time we would have seen some change by now. In California the weekly death rate is 0.1 per 100,000. In San Francisco the weekly death rate is 0.02 per 100,000. + Show Spoiler + To put that in perspective, the weekly death rate from fentanyl overdoses is about 50x higher than the weekly death rate from COVID right now.

Yup just as the spanish flu.

I'ts no secret I've always though the government is incompetent but holy shit, they surpassed my imagination, they have managed to be wrong from start to finish.

Data around Omicron is flowing in as we speak, don't expect governments to address it instantly. They are the institution that adjusts the slowest to changes in any given moment... they showed it when they had to take measures fast at the beginning, why would you think that the opposite direction of actions would be faster? Furthermore the virus is spreading much more rapidly and it was a cause of more panic, because it wasn't certain it would have a much lower death rate. Give them some time

That said, I think I had Omicron even though I tested negative but all my friends had it and I had running nose and throat pain for like 7 days. If it was in fact Omicron it wasn't that bad, basically a cold but I'm also vaccinated and young


Update:
It also looks like the majority of people with Omicron are vaccinated, while the ones with Delta/Other arent' in that excerpt or am I reading it wrong.

Let’s go Canada truckers