covid vaccine - Page 3

On September 30 2021 01:22 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2021 20:29 RiKD wrote: "like a ton of good reasons not to take it lol" list 3 good reasons 1.)standing up for bodily autonomy 2.)standing up for the fact that my vaccination status isn't really anyone else's business 3.)standing up against tyranny (how do people not see that is what the whole world is moving towards?) 3.)the fact that this is a new (and frankly retardedly dangerous) technology. It skipped proper testing, and even then it would still be dangerous as fuck. 3.)the fact that the vaccine DOESN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION nor does it EVEN CLAIM TO. In fact, evidence points to the opposite. 3.)the fact that more people are dying than ever in the most vaccinated countries 3.)the fact that the companies who make these vaccines are companies with insanely horrible track records for releasing products that didn't work, did other than what was advertised, or harmed people. 3.)the fact that these horrible companies are given total immunity from liability i mean it's insanely huge amounts of free money for them, they'd piss in the vials if they didn't have anything else lined up 3.)the fact that there are other, better treatments, and those treatments are being repressed 3.)the fact that contaminants and nasty shit within the vaccine is being found in labs all around the world this is just getting started, actually. but the more and more claims I make the more people will find things to pick at and I don't have all day to spend on pointless arguments

1) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
2) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
3) you can opposite compulsory vaccination and gettting vaccinated.
3) It didnt skip proper testing, in fact Moderna vaccine was ready since March 2020, also you realize most COVID vaccines are in fact regular old tech like the J&J right?
3) It reduces transmission, less viral load, less R naught... you really think its the opposite, vaccine increases tranmission you dumbass?
3) Wrong mortality is dropping massively in vaccinated countries, I'd post the source but as usual with retarded dicussion not worth the 2 clicks.
3) Mega-corps who produce thousands of drugs have a record that some of their products have caused harm? oh noes.
3) The liability waving it was to speed up distribution, given the millions of deths it was worth to take the risk... quit poker if you don't understand risk/reward scenarios.
3) Oh yeah Invermectin.... also honey cures cancer, every oncologist in the world supresses this info because they want pfizer to make more money selling chemotheraphy IVs lol.
3) Contaminants in labs are being found people... disregard the accute respiratory virus that has killed millions... you might in fact be the one in 10 million that got a dose from a dirty vial in Pakistan.

On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). .

Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu.

This thread is embarassing, the ignorance displayed is even worse than on the politics thread.

^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something.

On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries).

You clearly have zero contact with any Indians. They are all extremely glad for the vaccines and the fact that things are starting to get normalized there again thanks to it. Every Indian I've worked with has either someone close to them that died or that was on the verge of death to covid.


The real question is how were any of the antivaxxers here winning at poker?

Lol antivaxxers

I don't really give a fuck if you get the shot or not, but personally I like to go max injection and take everything I can. If I die I die. Haven't been sick in 5-10 years so something is going right.

I'll say this, I definitely didn't want to be exhibit A/first in line for vaccination, but i figure after a good 10 million people or so I was probably safe to go.

On October 02 2021 00:03 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). . Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu.

From what i read Ivermectin alone is not the solution you need a cocktail of drugs. Why you think you have the highest mortality rate in the world ?

On October 02 2021 01:11 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). You clearly have zero contact with any Indians. They are all extremely glad for the vaccines and the fact that things are starting to get normalized there again thanks to it. Every Indian I've worked with has either someone close to them that died or that was on the verge of death to covid. The real question is how were any of the antivaxxers here winning at poker?

Well i do have contacts with Indians so your assumption is wrong.
- this guy analyzes the situation pretty well imo.

Mexico has 3.6 mill confirmed cases and 278k dead - a CFR rate of 8%. (Whereas Norway's CFR is less than 0.5% total, and down to like 0.13% after vaccines became widespread.)

No doubt that number is massively influenced by a lack of testing - but for Mexico's number to match Norway's overall number they'd need to have 64 million cases, for them to match Norway's post-vaccine number, they'd need more confirmed cases than they have inhabitants.

Seems like Molnupiravir, developed by Merck, has some success as a treatment. Still not nearly as efficient as vaccines, though, but seemingly the most promising post-infection treatment.

(I'm not claiming that Norway's CFR is only caused by vaccines. There's a multitude of factors - Norwegians are probably in better shape than people in most other countries, at least there are fewer people with serious comorbidities, health care system is highly functional and was never in danger of being overrun, we largely managed to shield our most vulnerable until they were vaccinated, and we've done a good job with testing. But the drop in CFR post-vaccine, and us being able to reopen without dire consequences, are both very convincing pieces of data pointing towards vaccine efficiency. Add to it that we see the same from pretty much every other country or region with high vaccination rates (infection rates don't necessarily drop much, but deaths and hospitalizations consistently do), and man, there really shouldn't be any doubt.

Only way for an anti-vaxx pov to make logical sense (by anti-vaxx here I mean 'thinks the vaccine is something nefarious aimed at controlling the population', not 'is too dumb and or selfish to take it') is if you've fully bought into an extremely conspiratorial world view where you believe there are forces at play with the power to suppress information at a 1984ish level.

Liquid drone I saw your high score in some random game a little while ago. Was it trackmania or something I can't recall lol.
I think the most important factor is the science behind it, and it seems to work from what I understand. My body my choice has half a point but it's still greedy to risk people you know getting infected. Seems like significantly better odds with vaccine.
COVID seems to damage organs and a lot of people get long term effect from it, so I got my two shots pretty quickly after seeing that it's safe enough and tried to convince people I know to do it without forcing anything of course. Remains their choice but just about everyone I know got them.

Hm I've never played trackmania. If you play Monster Train then maybe that? (I was top 10 on some daily challenge at some point - otherwise prolly an imposter of some kind. )

On October 02 2021 01:05 Loco wrote: ^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something.

It tells me that most people's political brain-dead opinions are just another team sport, late 2020 the democrats like Harris were saying they would never take the "Trump vaccine", and had he won the re-election we would be seeing rednecks shooting the 5th reinforcment directly into their eyeballs while democrats citing how unsafe and rushed the vaccine is.

Do you know what is also funny? "anarchists" supporting state mandated vaccination, Tells you something.

On October 02 2021 17:15 sChOuA wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2021 00:03 Baalim wrote:   On October 01 2021 23:53 sChOuA wrote: 2) I dont "understand" why the western world is only pushing vaccination when there is clearly working treatments (look at India & some south american countries). . Mexican doctors prescribe Invermectin, its widely used here... we have the highest COVID mortality rate in the world... stfu. Why you think you have the highest mortality rate in the world ?

We are one of the countries with the lowest per/capita testing in the world, so massively underreported infections gives you a much higher mortality report.

On October 02 2021 22:28 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2021 01:05 Loco wrote: ^ Funny because it's only the enlightened centrists/hard right-wingers/libertarians who have those strong opinions on covid. Tells you something. Do you know what is also funny? "anarchists" supporting state mandated vaccination, Tells you something.

I support a decent amount of state and corporate activity..i like the state repairing roads for example, and i want pfzier to make vaccines. It's not all bad, but besides the point as any large institution could be used to vaccinate the public. There has been a massive failure in the lack of open sourcing and lack of co-operation between nation states, The US/EU should have been working with Russia and China on this since day one. That's a failure of the state, and its cost a lot of lives.

For an anarchist to be automatically anti-X because X was done by the state would make them very ideological imo.

I know of a lot of conspiracy theorists on the far left, particularly 9/11 truthers. The far right seems to be going deep on promoting the anti vaxx perspective since people like alex jones started becoming very influential though. It has become part of that bubble.

I just bought a plane ticket to Florida to see my folks. I also just saw this ad against the governor



Pretty funny stuff. Imagine thinking statements like "If you try to lock people down I'm going to stand in your way" or "I trust people to make their own decisions" are damning.

On October 02 2021 23:06 Stroggoz wrote: For an anarchist to be automatically anti-X because X was done by the state would make them very ideological imo.

Its not a random "X", compulsory vaccination is a strong authoritarian policy, people who are in the extreme of the libertarian axis supporting it is hypocritical.

But I see the point about ideology, I for example, oppose compulsory vaccination but I dont feel strongly about it since the liberty infingement is small and disease being contagious others are direclty affected, things like drug prohibition are far more restrictive and doesn't have direct colateral damage.

Oh? I didn't realise we were talking about compulsory vaccination, we don't have that here. It's all voluntary but yeah you would get a bit of social ostracism if you don't get vaccinated.

I'm opposed to compulsory vaccination except for certain professions, and kids under a certain age-kids should not die to polio, meningitis or w/e it is because of their parents stupid decisions, but I think people who arn't wearing masks should be refused entry into densely populated areas when covid is a risk. We have a similar policy towards smoking tobacco in populated area's and that's far less deadly than just walking into a bar carrying a deadly pathogen.

I think the most disturbing argument i've seen is the anti-vaxx argument about infringement on their freedom: I just don't get how someone can accept such a twisted definition of freedom: Somehow they don't see walking around with covid isn't a severe attack on everyone else's freedom of having good health.

So i guess i have a pretty similar view as you on this, and I don't see how the anti-vaxxer position is libertarian at all.

i've had pfizer im not dead yet it's been 6months and feel great. haven't heard of anybody i know of dying from it but usually it's some kind of rumor that x and y died etc
im not the least bit left leaning but im glad i took the vaccine but it mostly my wife nagging me about it lol

wow sarah is so sexy so i decided it was wrong of her to severely attack my freedom to fuck her