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On October 08 2021 15:09 sChOuA wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2021 22:09 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 07 2021 21:47 sChOuA wrote:   On October 06 2021 22:54 Baalim wrote:   On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education. Reduces the odds of getting it Reduces the odds of spreading it Reduces the odds of developing symptoms Reduces the odds of severe sickness Reduces the odds of death. by saying this you suggest the vacciation is 100% safe? I just dont think we know enough yet. Also that Sweden and Denmark stopped the moderna vaccination temporarely for ppl under 30 years old (sweden) and under 18 years old (Denmark) makes me wonder. Also Japan supsended 1.6 Million doses of Moderna Vaccine because of contamination reports... Also why you guys think that both MRNA Vaccinations (Pfizer & Moderna) are only targetting the spike Protein? Wouldnt that excessive focus on the spike protein actually lead to escape variation (mutations)? Nothing is 100% safe but it's way better than getting COVID. As Daut said it's not a difficult problem. Just compare the people that are sick in hospitals that are a) unvaccinated with COVID, b) vaccinated with COVID, and c) sick with vaccine reactions. It's a) 95%, b) 5%, c) 0%. No matter how you crunch the numbers it's very easy to conclude the correct answer that is a very general answer you cant compare a 20 years old with an 80 years old. Like i said before the risk group should definitely get the vaccination but for all the others i'm not sold yet at all. For my Group age here in Switzerland (30-39) my chances to die of COVID is around 0.009% - chances to be hospitalized is like 0.3% - however these numberes are only from the known cases - i would argue that many in my group age are not detected. Furthermore im healthyd and have no known illness (just got completely checked like 2 mnth ago). So probably my chances of getting hospitalized is 0.1% or less and dying even lower. So looking at those numberes the Vaccination should be very very secure and i'm not sold on that and about the transmission we have talked already. Can you please explain why in my specific situation it is "way better" to get vaccinated ? Also no one answered to my message that the MRNA only target the spike protein (which is around 12-15% of the whole genom), you have no opinion about this ?

I've seen healthy 30-40 year olds get super sick and/or die from COVID. A couple cases that come to mine is a 34 year old Spanish speaking guy from Honduras that was intubated, put on pressors, got massive blood clots in his groin. Not sure if he lived or died, I lost track of his chart.

Another was from a few weeks ago, a 41 year old guy with only history of hypothyroidism, came in looking like a ghost with o2 sats in the 40s. He was unvaccinated and I think he was ashamed of it. He said "I was trying to ride this out at home because I didn't want to take up a hospital bed but I realized it was stupid to die over this so that's why I came in." It was actually refreshing to hear an unvaccinated person being aware of the fact that they are the ones using up all the hospital resources because they are either too stupid or too selfish to get a shot. Anyway he got intubated for a couple weeks, almost got put on ECMO but didn't. Just got extubated a couple days ago so looks like he made it. His lungs will probably be fucked for the rest of his life, one of the nastiest looking chest x-rays I've ever seen.

So yeah it's rare for young healthy people to get critically ill from COVID but it's not impossible. If you're okay with the risk then don't get the shot. As I've said before, I will encourage people to get the shot because of my firsthand experiences and from the overwhelming data that shows the jab is better than covid for any age group, but at the end of the day it's c'est la vie. I really don't care if you get vaccinated or not.

Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki?

On October 08 2021 23:11 Spitfiree wrote: Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki?

Yes, for many years and in many different states/hospitals but mostly in Florida where I was born and California, where I live now.

On October 08 2021 15:56 asdf2000 wrote: you'll strongly argue your positions to the point of disparaging people who disagree with them and supporting policies that marginalize those people and yet when I actually directly engage you with provable facts I either get ignored or I get told "im not a scientist" "your beliefs are too far fetched" "blah blah blah" SHAME edit: seriously it's unbelievable and despicable. im not coming back here, good luck.

You were the one calling us retarded a couple of pages back.

I basically ignore your views because they are transparently idiotic. A lot of people here have already pointed out why so I'm not going to bother.

edit: To be clear im not calling you an idiot, I just think your views are. I've had a lot of seemingly intelligent friends who were 9/11 truthers (I think the 9/11 loose change conspiracy is really dumb).

On October 08 2021 21:32 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 15:09 sChOuA wrote: that is a very general answer you cant compare a 20 years old with an 80 years old. Like i said before the risk group should definitely get the vaccination but for all the others i'm not sold yet at all. For my Group age here in Switzerland (30-39) my chances to die of COVID is around 0.009% - chances to be hospitalized is like 0.3% - however these numberes are only from the known cases - i would argue that many in my group age are not detected. Furthermore im healthyd and have no known illness (just got completely checked like 2 mnth ago). So probably my chances of getting hospitalized is 0.1% or less and dying even lower. So looking at those numberes the Vaccination should be very very secure and i'm not sold on that and about the transmission we have talked already. Can you please explain why in my specific situation it is "way better" to get vaccinated ? Also no one answered to my message that the MRNA only target the spike protein (which is around 12-15% of the whole genom), you have no opinion about this ? 0.1% > 0.0000001% ----------------- If you are scared for some rason of MRNA tech, just get a traditional vaccine and stfu

how do you come up with 0.000001% ? please share something and not just some random numbers.
As for my coutnry we only have MRNA Vaccines that are allowed so stfu :-)

On October 08 2021 22:14 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 15:09 sChOuA wrote:   On October 07 2021 22:09 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 07 2021 21:47 sChOuA wrote:   On October 06 2021 22:54 Baalim wrote:   On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education. Reduces the odds of getting it Reduces the odds of spreading it Reduces the odds of developing symptoms Reduces the odds of severe sickness Reduces the odds of death. by saying this you suggest the vacciation is 100% safe? I just dont think we know enough yet. Also that Sweden and Denmark stopped the moderna vaccination temporarely for ppl under 30 years old (sweden) and under 18 years old (Denmark) makes me wonder. Also Japan supsended 1.6 Million doses of Moderna Vaccine because of contamination reports... Also why you guys think that both MRNA Vaccinations (Pfizer & Moderna) are only targetting the spike Protein? Wouldnt that excessive focus on the spike protein actually lead to escape variation (mutations)? Nothing is 100% safe but it's way better than getting COVID. As Daut said it's not a difficult problem. Just compare the people that are sick in hospitals that are a) unvaccinated with COVID, b) vaccinated with COVID, and c) sick with vaccine reactions. It's a) 95%, b) 5%, c) 0%. No matter how you crunch the numbers it's very easy to conclude the correct answer that is a very general answer you cant compare a 20 years old with an 80 years old. Like i said before the risk group should definitely get the vaccination but for all the others i'm not sold yet at all. For my Group age here in Switzerland (30-39) my chances to die of COVID is around 0.009% - chances to be hospitalized is like 0.3% - however these numberes are only from the known cases - i would argue that many in my group age are not detected. Furthermore im healthyd and have no known illness (just got completely checked like 2 mnth ago). So probably my chances of getting hospitalized is 0.1% or less and dying even lower. So looking at those numberes the Vaccination should be very very secure and i'm not sold on that and about the transmission we have talked already. Can you please explain why in my specific situation it is "way better" to get vaccinated ? Also no one answered to my message that the MRNA only target the spike protein (which is around 12-15% of the whole genom), you have no opinion about this ? I've seen healthy 30-40 year olds get super sick and/or die from COVID. A couple cases that come to mine is a 34 year old Spanish speaking guy from Honduras that was intubated, put on pressors, got massive blood clots in his groin. Not sure if he lived or died, I lost track of his chart. Another was from a few weeks ago, a 41 year old guy with only history of hypothyroidism, came in looking like a ghost with o2 sats in the 40s. He was unvaccinated and I think he was ashamed of it. He said "I was trying to ride this out at home because I didn't want to take up a hospital bed but I realized it was stupid to die over this so that's why I came in." It was actually refreshing to hear an unvaccinated person being aware of the fact that they are the ones using up all the hospital resources because they are either too stupid or too selfish to get a shot. Anyway he got intubated for a couple weeks, almost got put on ECMO but didn't. Just got extubated a couple days ago so looks like he made it. His lungs will probably be fucked for the rest of his life, one of the nastiest looking chest x-rays I've ever seen. So yeah it's rare for young healthy people to get critically ill from COVID but it's not impossible. If you're okay with the risk then don't get the shot. As I've said before, I will encourage people to get the shot because of my firsthand experiences and from the overwhelming data that shows the jab is better than covid for any age group, but at the end of the day it's c'est la vie. I really don't care if you get vaccinated or not.

Can you link me some of the overwhelming data i should read that has good convincing argument ? thanks

On October 09 2021 11:58 sChOuA wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 22:14 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 08 2021 15:09 sChOuA wrote:   On October 07 2021 22:09 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 07 2021 21:47 sChOuA wrote:   On October 06 2021 22:54 Baalim wrote:   On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education. Reduces the odds of getting it Reduces the odds of spreading it Reduces the odds of developing symptoms Reduces the odds of severe sickness Reduces the odds of death. by saying this you suggest the vacciation is 100% safe? I just dont think we know enough yet. Also that Sweden and Denmark stopped the moderna vaccination temporarely for ppl under 30 years old (sweden) and under 18 years old (Denmark) makes me wonder. Also Japan supsended 1.6 Million doses of Moderna Vaccine because of contamination reports... Also why you guys think that both MRNA Vaccinations (Pfizer & Moderna) are only targetting the spike Protein? Wouldnt that excessive focus on the spike protein actually lead to escape variation (mutations)? Nothing is 100% safe but it's way better than getting COVID. As Daut said it's not a difficult problem. Just compare the people that are sick in hospitals that are a) unvaccinated with COVID, b) vaccinated with COVID, and c) sick with vaccine reactions. It's a) 95%, b) 5%, c) 0%. No matter how you crunch the numbers it's very easy to conclude the correct answer that is a very general answer you cant compare a 20 years old with an 80 years old. Like i said before the risk group should definitely get the vaccination but for all the others i'm not sold yet at all. For my Group age here in Switzerland (30-39) my chances to die of COVID is around 0.009% - chances to be hospitalized is like 0.3% - however these numberes are only from the known cases - i would argue that many in my group age are not detected. Furthermore im healthyd and have no known illness (just got completely checked like 2 mnth ago). So probably my chances of getting hospitalized is 0.1% or less and dying even lower. So looking at those numberes the Vaccination should be very very secure and i'm not sold on that and about the transmission we have talked already. Can you please explain why in my specific situation it is "way better" to get vaccinated ? Also no one answered to my message that the MRNA only target the spike protein (which is around 12-15% of the whole genom), you have no opinion about this ? I've seen healthy 30-40 year olds get super sick and/or die from COVID. A couple cases that come to mine is a 34 year old Spanish speaking guy from Honduras that was intubated, put on pressors, got massive blood clots in his groin. Not sure if he lived or died, I lost track of his chart. Another was from a few weeks ago, a 41 year old guy with only history of hypothyroidism, came in looking like a ghost with o2 sats in the 40s. He was unvaccinated and I think he was ashamed of it. He said "I was trying to ride this out at home because I didn't want to take up a hospital bed but I realized it was stupid to die over this so that's why I came in." It was actually refreshing to hear an unvaccinated person being aware of the fact that they are the ones using up all the hospital resources because they are either too stupid or too selfish to get a shot. Anyway he got intubated for a couple weeks, almost got put on ECMO but didn't. Just got extubated a couple days ago so looks like he made it. His lungs will probably be fucked for the rest of his life, one of the nastiest looking chest x-rays I've ever seen. So yeah it's rare for young healthy people to get critically ill from COVID but it's not impossible. If you're okay with the risk then don't get the shot. As I've said before, I will encourage people to get the shot because of my firsthand experiences and from the overwhelming data that shows the jab is better than covid for any age group, but at the end of the day it's c'est la vie. I really don't care if you get vaccinated or not. Can you link me some of the overwhelming data i should read that has good convincing argument ? thanks

Mate, 4+ million have died from COVID. How many do u think have died from the vaccine? Billions of vaccines have been give now, I think you would have heard something by now. I got my shot in December 2020 and I only had the people in the clinical trials as my evidence the vaccines are safe. You have a billion more guinea pigs than I did as evidence the vaccine is safe.

On October 09 2021 12:08 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2021 11:58 sChOuA wrote:   On October 08 2021 22:14 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 08 2021 15:09 sChOuA wrote:   On October 07 2021 22:09 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 07 2021 21:47 sChOuA wrote:   On October 06 2021 22:54 Baalim wrote:   On October 06 2021 08:23 CrownRoyal wrote: There seem to be a lot of experts in the chat, I have one question which is the only reason I haven't been vaccinated. What is the point of getting it if you are healthy, not at risk, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus? Genuine question, not trolling just looking for education. Reduces the odds of getting it Reduces the odds of spreading it Reduces the odds of developing symptoms Reduces the odds of severe sickness Reduces the odds of death. by saying this you suggest the vacciation is 100% safe? I just dont think we know enough yet. Also that Sweden and Denmark stopped the moderna vaccination temporarely for ppl under 30 years old (sweden) and under 18 years old (Denmark) makes me wonder. Also Japan supsended 1.6 Million doses of Moderna Vaccine because of contamination reports... Also why you guys think that both MRNA Vaccinations (Pfizer & Moderna) are only targetting the spike Protein? Wouldnt that excessive focus on the spike protein actually lead to escape variation (mutations)? Nothing is 100% safe but it's way better than getting COVID. As Daut said it's not a difficult problem. Just compare the people that are sick in hospitals that are a) unvaccinated with COVID, b) vaccinated with COVID, and c) sick with vaccine reactions. It's a) 95%, b) 5%, c) 0%. No matter how you crunch the numbers it's very easy to conclude the correct answer that is a very general answer you cant compare a 20 years old with an 80 years old. Like i said before the risk group should definitely get the vaccination but for all the others i'm not sold yet at all. For my Group age here in Switzerland (30-39) my chances to die of COVID is around 0.009% - chances to be hospitalized is like 0.3% - however these numberes are only from the known cases - i would argue that many in my group age are not detected. Furthermore im healthyd and have no known illness (just got completely checked like 2 mnth ago). So probably my chances of getting hospitalized is 0.1% or less and dying even lower. So looking at those numberes the Vaccination should be very very secure and i'm not sold on that and about the transmission we have talked already. Can you please explain why in my specific situation it is "way better" to get vaccinated ? Also no one answered to my message that the MRNA only target the spike protein (which is around 12-15% of the whole genom), you have no opinion about this ? I've seen healthy 30-40 year olds get super sick and/or die from COVID. A couple cases that come to mine is a 34 year old Spanish speaking guy from Honduras that was intubated, put on pressors, got massive blood clots in his groin. Not sure if he lived or died, I lost track of his chart. Another was from a few weeks ago, a 41 year old guy with only history of hypothyroidism, came in looking like a ghost with o2 sats in the 40s. He was unvaccinated and I think he was ashamed of it. He said "I was trying to ride this out at home because I didn't want to take up a hospital bed but I realized it was stupid to die over this so that's why I came in." It was actually refreshing to hear an unvaccinated person being aware of the fact that they are the ones using up all the hospital resources because they are either too stupid or too selfish to get a shot. Anyway he got intubated for a couple weeks, almost got put on ECMO but didn't. Just got extubated a couple days ago so looks like he made it. His lungs will probably be fucked for the rest of his life, one of the nastiest looking chest x-rays I've ever seen. So yeah it's rare for young healthy people to get critically ill from COVID but it's not impossible. If you're okay with the risk then don't get the shot. As I've said before, I will encourage people to get the shot because of my firsthand experiences and from the overwhelming data that shows the jab is better than covid for any age group, but at the end of the day it's c'est la vie. I really don't care if you get vaccinated or not. Can you link me some of the overwhelming data i should read that has good convincing argument ? thanks Mate, 4+ million have died from COVID. How many do u think have died from the vaccine? Billions of vaccines have been give now, I think you would have heard something by now. I got my shot in December 2020 and I only had the people in the clinical trials as my evidence the vaccines are safe. You have a billion more guinea pigs than I did as evidence the vaccine is safe.

Im very aware of that and thats why i advice anyone in the risk group to get the vaccination.
If the transmission would be stopped by beeing vaccinated i would most likely get vaccinated. Otherwise (as it is currently) i'm not sold

What is your thought about the MRNA only targetting the spike protein and therefore put pressure on the virus to change that and eventually mutate ? whats your experience on this ?

I have plenty of anecdotal cases around me of groups of people that are mixed between vaccinated/unvaccinated and only the unvaccinated get infected and while it's anecdotal it's quite good enough for me

On October 08 2021 23:29 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 23:11 Spitfiree wrote: Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki? Yes, for many years and in many different states/hospitals but mostly in Florida where I was born and California, where I live now.

What do you think causes medical workers to not wanna get vaccinated? This confuses me so much

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 17:09 Santafairy wrote: talking to your obtuse ass is feeling like rape [/quoting] That is because you are metapohrically being raped in this conversation. [QUOTE]On October 08 2021 02:43 Baalim wrote: doctor doctor yes is this the emergency room? yes my father in his weak condition needs immediate care, we're just traveling through here, i don't even know if you're in our insurance network but he needs help right away. oh what? you claim you "don't treat filthy mexspicans?" well it seems like an outmoded attitude but i support your right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. the free market will ultimately decide the fate of your admissions policies obviously. the anarcho capitalist dogma decrees it. Again I dont see the KKK hospital being very popular, no doctors would want to work there, people wouldnt want to go there to get treated, it would go out of business instantly, unless of course just like Loco you believe the US is briming with closet nazis lol. So you think the only reason private hospitals don't refuse to treat minorities is because it's illegal to discriminate, damn you are truly super woke thinking institutional racism goes that deep.

do you honestly believe there would be more or less discrimination without a government and legal system? because as I'll get to later the historical evidence is when left to their own devices people aren't the angels you take them for

as I believe I already posted, a colorado hospital system already refusing organ transplants for unvaccinated

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + yes you fucking idiot, and excess deaths are 2-300k above that, not 2 million which you just pulled out of your ass no 2021 stats that I can find yet, but does it make a difference to your argument if were 1M or 2M?

do you care about the truth or just pulling bullshit out of your asshole?

it's not my argument, you're the cunt who randomly went ackshually it's more like two million dead

if you want to say things without putting any thought in them take the correction graciously because you're never too old to learn something

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + you haven't understood something, or rather you might not have understood anything at all so i'll just explain slower in the futile hope you've learned to read. it is less invasive for someone to force you to wear a condom always (never killed anyone as far as I know, but I look forward to the latex allergy inquiry I hope you're smart enough to make) or for example a SEAT BELT than it is for the government to demand you inject things in your body. that was the point Wrong, its way more invasive to outlaw unprotected sex than to mandate vaccination, that is why most countries have some form of vaccination mandate and not a single one outlaws unprotected sex.

you just told me SHARING NEEDLES was BANNED but UNENFORCEABLE

now you're telling me countries don't outlaw unprotected sex because it's INVASIVE? NOT because it's UNENFORCEABLE?

would you please elaborate how you calculated wearing a condom to be more invasive than being injected with a medical treatment?
this is probably the least controversial thing i've said so i want to get a better idea of how your brain is working on this point
because to me WEARING a condom would be self-evidently less invasive
that's why a business policy towards something inconsequential like shoes... obviously WEARING shoes is far less invasive than getting an injection for something, that's why i can see a business requiring the former, as being a fact of everyday life.

would you consider a government vaccine mandate to be more benign than a government shoes mandate?

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: LOLOLOL you made a whole sarcastic post about how I've already made it painfully clear my position on vaccine mandates and here you go again like a total clown thinking I support vaccination for meningitis lol. Aparently 100 times isn't enough for you, so here goes the 101th, I do not support government vaccination of Covid or other viruses, however its not an important issue to me since I believe everybody should get vaccinated in their own and of all government impositions I oppose this is the most benign one.

that's exactly what i fucking just said, you said, oh, it's just once, it's really safe. you're still equivocating this wishy washy shit. i oppose it but it's benign so whatever.

if it's so benign why bother opposing it? are you not having any cognitive dissonance that maybe there could be and even are positive government mandates out there?

i asked you to confront your own retardation and address the consistency of what you're saying

you confirm you oppose mandating a one-time, proven, safe vaccination that saves lives and somehow find the time to call ME an anti-vaxxer clown with every other breath

take a minute and read before talking

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + What jurisdiction has laws on the books against "sharing needles?" I find it curious at any rate you suggest the government couldn't enforce a ban on people injecting themselves with needles, while apparently believing a private business could have the capability to create and enforce a mandate of people being injected with needles. The government, even if you don't want them to exist, are inevitably in cooperation with businesses whether there are mandates or not. Any time they vaccinate, there are records of that that don't end up being private, even in the US despite HIPAA it seems. And as far as I know forged vaccination credentials are illegal. Think about it. Some business decides to accept vaxxed only. How do they verify if someone is vaccianted? By a private sector owned, private sector developed vaccination verification system? Or a card printed out by the government? A certificate from a government health agency? Invariably the gov't. Your anarcho capitalist thought experiment bullshit is worthless. Needles can only be used once by law, outlawing sharing needles between junkies is redundant since the drug is already illegal and its also unenforcable the same as the unprotected sex ban you want lol.

okay just to reiterate, at first Baalim claimed sharing needles is illegal, yet when pressed to cite a law for this quite interesting statement, now he claims outlawing sharing needles would be redundant, but that reusing needles by itself is illegal no matter by whom

since you moved the goalposts I now have to ask you again, please show me any law that criminalizes a drug user's using a needle more than once

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: I didn't say a business has the capability to enforce anything, I said business should be able to refuse service for whatever reason they want, vaccination among them. The business can ask for whatever proof they want for vaccination, your handwritten card from your local CVS, another kind of registry, your word, whatever.. their choice, how is that relevant?

yes, if a business decides to refuse service to people who aren't vaccinated

they have to have the means to ENFORCE THAT BY VERIFYING WHO IS VACCINATED

"your word" What the fuck do you have the balls to be asking how is this relevant

"Excuse me sir, I'd like to buy these cigarettes."
"Are you 18"
"Yes."
"Good enough for me"

"Excuse me sir, how much for this shotgun, handgun, and rifle"
"Are you a mass murderer?"
"No sir"
"Whew that's a relief $1800 before tax"

On October 08 2021 21:11 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + yeah some people think it's "being white" yes because the covid vaccine stops you from carrying a deadly virus, that makes it a great option for businesses who want to be completely safe, and not be filled with a bunch of maskless risk compensators being within 1 meter of each other coughing everywhere. another great idea from Baa "The Free Market is the Only Thing Smarter Than Me"Lim Being white? wtf are you talking about? Covid vaccine reduces the odds of carrying and spreading it, businesses won't be completely safe but they will be a safer, the same as eating outdoors isn't completely safe but its better than indoors.

remember when i said wearing a shirt is basic decorum

and you said, some people think getting a vaccine against a deadly virus is decorum (showing you have no understanding of the meaning of the word "decorum"

i went further and implied sure, everything is decorum. to some businesses, being white is decorum. meaning if you aren't white, you will be refused service at that business. you're like "oh noooo that would never happen it would go bankrupt in 10 seconds." why? humans changed that much from 60-70 years ago? yeah look at how enlightened everyone is they would never allow something like that to stand.

how are you this stuuuuuuuuuuuuupid

if you could read the lines, let alone between them. your whole ideology that the exercise of freedoms by businesses is going to provide the highest good just doesn't hold up.

progress of the last 50-200 years with respect to individual liberties, to expand equal freedoms and protections to all, has come from government and from political motion. it has not come from private sector businesses, it has in fact come in spite of them.

even now it is CORPORATIONS, privately owned and run CORPORATIONS, that seek to re-institutionalize discrimination, that want to trample your freedoms for their own benefits. in any other thread you might deride SJW corporations, raytheon drawing LGBT rainbows on their bombs, HR departments filling companies with leftist indoctrination, the cause of this is corporate self-interest. the backbone of your ideology is EMPIRICALLY shown to be wrong. it's not that the problem is the market is set up wrong, it's that your entire belief system is unrealistic.

we have a government and civil rights to protect individual liberties BEFORE they're infringed, not to economically impact a business AFTER.

as an individual yourself it's weird to have this worldview that would prioritize a business at the expensive of individuals. like the good that the business is pursuing is greater than the individual. because it's a private sector organization.

but then have this surprised pikachu face bullshit when people would suggest that the government (huge difference right, a public sector organization) might pursue the greater good at the occasional expense of the individual.

This is an example of why we're against vaccine mandates:

(Long thread, worth the read and honestly it's disturbing on many levels)

seriously Baal you need to collect your thoughts and decide what your position is

how is the meningitis vaccine mandate more benign than the coronavirus

I thought you said the corona vaccines were safe. surely if there WERE a mandate to stop the 2m (your fake number) of deaths that would be far more positive than the meningitis one, only 500 people die a year from that as I said...

are they a totally proven safe technology or is there a danger and you agree with sChOuA? just trying to figure this out for own edification

in fact, how could you support a private business's right to make a medical decision for them? imagine for the sake of argument a woman asked you on a date, but she was taking you to a restaurant that required vaccines, lo and behold you got one, and then you died of myocarditis. fuck that would suck. any moral issues for the business owner there? oh right, eat at another restaurant. bad example.

imagine you ran a factory and you gave someone an ultimatum for their livelihood or something and there was no other job and they had a heart condition and they developed serious side effects. boy tough luck huh, private businesses, they can do what they want. go work somewhere else...

in the mean time let me boot up Diablo 2 and kill you a few times because this is giving me a headache

On October 09 2021 12:44 Spitfiree wrote: I have plenty of anecdotal cases around me of groups of people that are mixed between vaccinated/unvaccinated and only the unvaccinated get infected and while it's anecdotal it's quite good enough for me Show nested quote + On October 08 2021 23:29 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 08 2021 23:11 Spitfiree wrote: Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki? Yes, for many years and in many different states/hospitals but mostly in Florida where I was born and California, where I live now. What do you think causes medical workers to not wanna get vaccinated? This confuses me so much

Shrug. In my experience it's the same group of the general population that doesn't want to get vaccinated. Either white conservatives or black/brown people that are skeptical. The thing about most HCW is that they worked through the entire pandemic so some already got COVID and think they don't need to be vaccinated and others think "I've already been working this long and still haven't gotten it, who says I'm going to get it at all." Maybe there is a feeling of invincibility when you've been working for months and watching people die but you've been unscathed the entire time.

On October 09 2021 15:45 Spitfiree wrote: This is an example of why we're against vaccine mandates: (Long thread, worth the read and honestly it's disturbing on many levels)

yeah i couldnt even eat out with buddies today, had to eat fast food cuz they dont need mandate lol what kinda of law is that.

On October 09 2021 13:34 Santafairy wrote: do you honestly believe there would be more or less discrimination without a government and legal system? because as I'll get to later the historical evidence is when left to their own devices people aren't the angels you take them for as I believe I already posted, a colorado hospital system already refusing organ transplants for unvaccinated

More, the biggest instances of discrimination have been carried out by the state. In fact you are here bitching about state enforced discrimination against unvaccinated lol.

Precisely because people are not angels I don't want to make popularity contests to see which one gets to be kings.

So how is the colorado hospital discrminating if you have the state protecting you from discrimination?

do you care about the truth or just pulling bullshit out of your asshole? it's not my argument, you're the cunt who randomly went ackshually it's more like two million dead if you want to say things without putting any thought in them take the correction graciously because you're never too old to learn something

We can make a propbet about excess deaths by the end of 2021 if you feel like it, I'd need an escrow tho.

So please, put the over/under.

you just told me SHARING NEEDLES was BANNED but UNENFORCEABLE now you're telling me countries don't outlaw unprotected sex because it's INVASIVE? NOT because it's UNENFORCEABLE?

It's unenforcable on a personal lvl, you can only enforce it an an institutional level

Countries don't want unprotected sex mainly because its invsasive and even if they wanted to, it would be unenforzable.

would you please elaborate how you calculated wearing a condom to be more invasive than being injected with a medical treatment? this is probably the least controversial thing i've said so i want to get a better idea of how your brain is working on this point because to me WEARING a condom would be self-evidently less invasive that's why a business policy towards something inconsequential like shoes... obviously WEARING shoes is far less invasive than getting an injection for something, that's why i can see a business requiring the former, as being a fact of everyday life. would you consider a government vaccine mandate to be more benign than a government shoes mandate?

It's common sense, ask anybody if they would rather get a vaccine or to never have unprotected sex in their lives... yup not even the ardent antivaxxer is going to give up hitting it raw lol.





[quote}that's exactly what i fucking just said, you said, oh, it's just once, it's really safe. you're still equivocating this wishy washy shit. i oppose it but it's benign so whatever.

if it's so benign why bother opposing it? are you not having any cognitive dissonance that maybe there could be and even are positive government mandates out there?

i asked you to confront your own retardation and address the consistency of what you're saying

you confirm you oppose mandating a one-time, proven, safe vaccination that saves lives and somehow find the time to call ME an anti-vaxxer clown with every other breath[/quote]

Yes you can be against something yet not feel strongly about it, I'm against the government forbidding Kinder eggs in the US, I'm also against government tramping free speech... I won't defend both of these position behemently, one if far more important than the other to me.

Yes I think vaccines are great, I also don't want the government forcing ppl to take them, this isn't contradictory, and also yes, you are an antivaxxer clown, you don't just oppose the mandates, you oppose the vaccines themselves.

okay just to reiterate, at first Baalim claimed sharing needles is illegal, yet when pressed to cite a law for this quite interesting statement, now he claims outlawing sharing needles would be redundant, but that reusing needles by itself is illegal no matter by whom since you moved the goalposts I now have to ask you again, please show me any law that criminalizes a drug user's using a needle more than once

what?

sharing needles for institutions is illegal, outlawing sharing needles for junkies would be a retarded law since posession is already illegal and its also unenforcable, but where are you even going with this you dumbass? "show me the needle sharing penal code!!!" you don't even know wtf you are arguing here lol.

yes, if a business decides to refuse service to people who aren't vaccinated they have to have the means to ENFORCE THAT BY VERIFYING WHO IS VACCINATED

Yes they can use whatever method they fucking want to verify if you are vaccinated, you are also free to comply or walk away and give your business to somebody else.

you're like "oh noooo that would never happen it would go bankrupt in 10 seconds." why? humans changed that much from 60-70 years ago? yeah look at how enlightened everyone is they would never allow something like that to stand.

would you dine regularly on an "white-only" restaurant?

I wouldn't, none of my friends or family would also,

haha ironically you see the world the same way as Loco, that the world is filled with closet nazis waiting to pounce at every opportunity.

how are you this stuuuuuuuuuuuuupid if you could read the lines, let alone between them. your whole ideology that the exercise of freedoms by businesses is going to provide the highest good just doesn't hold up. progress of the last 50-200 years with respect to individual liberties, to expand equal freedoms and protections to all, has come from government and from political motion. it has not come from private sector businesses, it has in fact come in spite of them.

aw yes, all progress comes from the all mighty state, hail the government LOL that saved us from the jaws of the free market.

You have a lot in common with the commies you hate lol.

even now it is CORPORATIONS, privately owned and run CORPORATIONS, that seek to re-institutionalize discrimination, that want to trample your freedoms for their own benefits. in any other thread you might deride SJW corporations, raytheon drawing LGBT rainbows on their bombs, HR departments filling companies with leftist indoctrination, the cause of this is corporate self-interest. the backbone of your ideology is EMPIRICALLY shown to be wrong. it's not that the problem is the market is set up wrong, it's that your entire belief system is unrealistic.

Oh yes Ratheon, a company which 100% of its income come from the government, and uses part of that income to lobby politicians for more contracts... what a shining example of free market lololol.

as an individual yourself it's weird to have this worldview that would prioritize a business at the expensive of individuals. like the good that the business is pursuing is greater than the individual. because it's a private sector organization. but then have this surprised pikachu face bullshit when people would suggest that the government (huge difference right, a public sector organization) might pursue the greater good at the occasional expense of the individual.

You could sum up my ideology as prioritizing individual freedom over "the greater good", right now your individual freedom might be trampled over by the pursuit of the greater good, welcome to libertarianism, we have cookies, they are $1.5 each

^Forgot to mention earlier but Kyrie also thinks the earth is flat haha.

https://youtu.be/BZ80mIQKRT0

Lmao

On October 09 2021 21:03 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2021 12:44 Spitfiree wrote: I have plenty of anecdotal cases around me of groups of people that are mixed between vaccinated/unvaccinated and only the unvaccinated get infected and while it's anecdotal it's quite good enough for me   On October 08 2021 23:29 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 08 2021 23:11 Spitfiree wrote: Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki? Yes, for many years and in many different states/hospitals but mostly in Florida where I was born and California, where I live now. What do you think causes medical workers to not wanna get vaccinated? This confuses me so much Shrug. In my experience it's the same group of the general population that doesn't want to get vaccinated. Either white conservatives or black/brown people that are skeptical. The thing about most HCW is that they worked through the entire pandemic so some already got COVID and think they don't need to be vaccinated and others think "I've already been working this long and still haven't gotten it, who says I'm going to get it at all." Maybe there is a feeling of invincibility when you've been working for months and watching people die but you've been unscathed the entire time.

I see, well I thought there are credible tests to check whether you have a natural immunity against Covid now... haven't researched it at all but I've been hearing it from doctor friends I have so it's really weird to me that there are all these tools to check levels of immunity and it seems like even people that are close to the situation don't do it...

On October 12 2021 22:05 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2021 21:03 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 09 2021 12:44 Spitfiree wrote: I have plenty of anecdotal cases around me of groups of people that are mixed between vaccinated/unvaccinated and only the unvaccinated get infected and while it's anecdotal it's quite good enough for me   On October 08 2021 23:29 blackjacki2 wrote:   On October 08 2021 23:11 Spitfiree wrote: Are you a medical worker @ blackjacki? Yes, for many years and in many different states/hospitals but mostly in Florida where I was born and California, where I live now. What do you think causes medical workers to not wanna get vaccinated? This confuses me so much Shrug. In my experience it's the same group of the general population that doesn't want to get vaccinated. Either white conservatives or black/brown people that are skeptical. The thing about most HCW is that they worked through the entire pandemic so some already got COVID and think they don't need to be vaccinated and others think "I've already been working this long and still haven't gotten it, who says I'm going to get it at all." Maybe there is a feeling of invincibility when you've been working for months and watching people die but you've been unscathed the entire time. I see, well I thought there are credible tests to check whether you have a natural immunity against Covid now... haven't researched it at all but I've been hearing it from doctor friends I have so it's really weird to me that there are all these tools to check levels of immunity and it seems like even people that are close to the situation don't do it...

That's just a guess. I personally don't know anyone that has used this reasoning to not get vaccinated, but I do know a few that have said "I've been working this entire time and still haven't got COVID, who is to say I am going to get it at all."