YouTube is wild

I was getting broodwar notifications from reddit and I don't think I ever looked anything regarding broodwar on there ever. I was watching broodwar streams on twitch though. I think both are run on amazon web services. That is the only connection I could think of. I don't know how youtube does it either but it is all pretty spooky.

I want to get away from all of this stuff and become an itinerant blues musician but I'm not nearly good enough yet. All I have is a Radiohead song and a Leadbelly song so far. The Metaverse seems to be a moving freight train. No telling how dependent the citizens of many societies will become. Youtube algo will be a kids story some day.

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On January 31 2022 23:40 DooMeR wrote: Bigbobombabom!

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Miss you. You still jacked or what

On January 31 2022 23:18 RiKD wrote: I want to get away from all of this stuff and become an itinerant blues musician but I'm not nearly good enough yet. All I have is a Radiohead song and a Leadbelly song so far. The Metaverse seems to be a moving freight train. No telling how dependent the citizens of many societies will become. Youtube algo will be a kids story some day.

I don't know what that is, and it sounds difficult, but you keep grinding at that goal. I've never done it, but creating shit is super rewarding.

Guessing the part of the algorithm goes something like this:

You have friends that watch and talk about SC. Google is able to identify who your friends are (unless you live in a cave..and even then...). In graph theory terms, your 'distance' from those friends is small. The smaller the distance the greater it will assign weight towards recommending things your friends watch.

Interestingly, pedophiles get kid's video's recommended to them all the time on youtube.

Yesterday I was trying to look up what these poker clubs are like in Houston but I typed "houston ooker" instead of "houston poker" by mistake and found the channel of a guy with 6k subs called "the kitty catcher" of some dude that goes around houston looking for hookers lol.

On February 01 2022 08:40 Stroggoz wrote: Guessing the part of the algorithm goes something like this: You have friends that watch and talk about SC. Google is able to identify who your friends are (unless you live in a cave..and even then...). In graph theory terms, your 'distance' from those friends is small. The smaller the distance the greater it will assign weight towards recommending things your friends watch. Interestingly, pedophiles get kid's video's recommended to them all the time on youtube.

Yeah, I could see that, but I don't use google to chat with friends, and none of the people I chat to daily through other means even know SC exists.

I'm not shocked the algorithm was able to sniff out that I'd be a huge SC2 fan though. More interesting to me is the point that one video had such a significant impact on my habits. There's always that question of, 'what movie changed your life' and I never had a good answer. Oddly enough, a 20 min SC2 replay has had the biggest impact as of late.

Also, I have kids. I swear.

The algorithm doesn't sniff out anything. It throws a bunch of shit at you hoping that something sticks. Of course it's biased toward certain things but sometimes it's also truly random, like when you start with a fresh account.

What's actually wild is that you have just found out about YouTube rabbit holes in 2022. That's so wild to me that I had to comment despite my self exile.

Also, SC remastered is so much better. No comparison between watching some star like Bisu playing and some sad SC2 player.

Completely disagree with your first point. They have the data to determine that people who watch A and B will also watch C, so if I'm watching A and B, they're going to recommend C. If that's not sniffing out a preference, then we disagree on what 'sniff' means, which is stupid.

Also, not just learning about rabbit holes in 2022. Gone done plenty, but after a day I usually just move on and forget about them. Just surprised by the long term impact of one.

Nah they have your entire search history so they probably know about your starcraft.
It gets freakier than this when you just think about stuff and it appears but doesn't seem to happen to me anymore.
Short while ago I was singing Island boy really loud and some reaction to island boy was recommended right after I didn't understand how that happened because as a proud schizo I leave my phone away on airplane mode but then realised that my headset mic was on.
Other freaky stuff has been when I was limping some weird limping video got recommended but I'm not sure if I searched for it right before, but I thought my phone heard me limping
Needless to say I use freetube now.

Quora is absolutely the most insidious

If you've ever looked up something on Google and then have Quora email you an article about it the next day

Spineless cunts are just selling everything to each other

On February 03 2022 14:59 Bigbobm wrote: Completely disagree with your first point. They have the data to determine that people who watch A and B will also watch C, so if I'm watching A and B, they're going to recommend C. If that's not sniffing out a preference, then we disagree on what 'sniff' means, which is stupid. Also, not just learning about rabbit holes in 2022. Gone done plenty, but after a day I usually just move on and forget about them. Just surprised by the long term impact of one.

Yeah, the algorithms are obviously absurdly complicated and their value is worth $100's of billions. They are going to get things wrong a lot. But there is no randomness to them, at all. Creating a fresh account involves giving them an age, and your gps, ect (unless vpn'ed perhaps). I guess you could go to extreme lengths to try and deceive them, but they will find out who you are pretty quickly through 3rd parties anyway.

I wasn't saying it's pure randomness, I'm saying it's not individualized - or at the very least, it's not always individualized. I'm not stupid, I know you're never going to get some Hindi-speaking kid recommended to you if you are a white adult who lives in the US/Canada and only speaks English. I'm just saying you're not dealing with some advanced artificial intelligence that knows you.

GPS and age and whatever else they start with might get them to recommend some French Canadian cooking channel to me that a lot of people in my age range/area like, but it won't stick because I don't give a shit. That's what I mean by random here. They are placing bets but there is more that they don't know about what I want to watch than there is that they know if I'm on a fresh account.

Obviously, the more you use it, the more this becomes skewed towards them having a better chance of recommending something you will want to pay attention to. But it will still have some of its randomness in there, like picking from the trending videos list, which isn't going to work when you have no interest in popular media trends.

I could watch Jordan Peterson videos for two days to know what the hype is all about, and then I'd have a bunch of videos of him and his acolytes in my recommendations, none of which I'd care to watch, because my Peterson Project would have been completed already. And those would stay for quite some time. If almost all the recommendations are not things you care about/will click on, then by definition they aren't sniffing out a preference of yours.

I can give you a great example of my point. I have absolutely no interest in almost all things that are trending but one day there was a video of a guy opening some very old canned foods and taste testing them. The algorithm had nothing to go on based on my individualized preferences, it just suggested it in a bubble to me because it was trending, and it happened to be something I love and I ended up going in a rabbit hole with it. Still watch this kind of stuff a year later, but only from this one guy that I found. If it showed me other channels I wouldn't click on them, because I get my dose with this guy and I like his personality. YouTube's algorithm would fail by recommending more old food channels.

With that said, the more simpleminded and narrow/stable your interests are, the more predictable you are. I personally have turned off recommendations a long time ago because they were not useful/accurate for me despite having spent a lot of time on YouTube simply because my interests changed or I had moved on from watching certain things. And also, of course, because I aim to be more intentional with the site as a whole - there is always the possibility of being bored and clicking on shit you don't even really want to watch.

if you're on break then by definition you shouldn't post

On February 05 2022 04:54 Loco wrote: I wasn't saying it's pure randomness, I'm saying it's not individualized - or at the very least, it's not always individualized. I'm not stupid, I know you're never going to get some Hindi-speaking kid recommended to you if you are a white adult who lives in the US/Canada and only speaks English. I'm just saying you're not dealing with some advanced artificial intelligence that knows you. GPS and age and whatever else they start with might get them to recommend some French Canadian cooking channel to me that a lot of people in my age range/area like, but it won't stick because I don't give a shit. That's what I mean by random here. They are placing bets but there is more that they don't know about what I want to watch than there is that they know if I'm on a fresh account. Obviously, the more you use it, the more this becomes skewed towards them having a better chance of recommending something you will want to pay attention to. But it will still have some of its randomness in there, like picking from the trending videos list, which isn't going to work when you have no interest in popular media trends. I could watch Jordan Peterson videos for two days to know what the hype is all about, and then I'd have a bunch of videos of him and his acolytes in my recommendations, none of which I'd care to watch, because my Peterson Project would have been completed already. And those would stay for quite some time. If almost all the recommendations are not things you care about/will click on, then by definition they aren't sniffing out a preference of yours. I can give you a great example of my point. I have absolutely no interest in almost all things that are trending but one day there was a video of a guy opening some very old canned foods and taste testing them. The algorithm had nothing to go on based on my individualized preferences, it just suggested it in a bubble to me because it was trending, and it happened to be something I love and I ended up going in a rabbit hole with it. Still watch this kind of stuff a year later, but only from this one guy that I found. If it showed me other channels I wouldn't click on them, because I get my dose with this guy and I like his personality. YouTube's algorithm would fail by recommending more old food channels. With that said, the more simpleminded and narrow/stable your interests are, the more predictable you are. I personally have turned off recommendations a long time ago because they were not useful/accurate for me despite having spent a lot of time on YouTube simply because my interests changed or I had moved on from watching certain things. And also, of course, because I aim to be more intentional with the site as a whole - there is always the possibility of being bored and clicking on shit you don't even really want to watch.

Loco!!! U are so wise and powerful! Wow!

Loco thanks 2 youtube r3commendation I have found out about Leon the lobster and the mink man.