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On April 01 2022 11:28 lostaccount wrote: How about not making racist post so u don’t have a chance to go to prison?

People gonna say or write something stupid at some point no matter what. Putting them into prison will be ekspensive for society.

At maximum: give them a fine, unless its deaththreats or something.

He went to jail, not prison. Jail is even worse than prison! You know who is in prison in the UK? Julian Assange. Getting tortured, in a max security prison. Spending his days in solitary confinement. Britain has a terrible record on free speech. Should point out that fining and jailing people over internet comments is not new in Britain.

States and corporations have predictably used this invasion to crack down on dissent in a way that is reminiscent of how all things german were treated in ww1. It is culturally barbaric to go back to such times. Russia today being essentially removed from the interwebs is pretty dam significant, it's one of the largest news stations in the world.

On April 01 2022 19:57 Stroggoz wrote: He went to jail, not prison. Jail is even worse than prison! You know who is in prison in the UK? Julian Assange. Getting tortured, in a max security prison. Spending his days in solitary confinement. Britain has a terrible record on free speech. Should point out that fining and jailing people over internet comments is not new in Britain. States and corporations have predictably used this invasion to crack down on dissent in a way that is reminiscent of how all things german were treated in ww1. It is culturally barbaric to go back to such times. Russia today being essentially removed from the interwebs is pretty dam significant, it's one of the largest news stations in the world.

stroggoz i aint mad at cha

On April 01 2022 19:57 Stroggoz wrote: He went to jail, not prison. Jail is even worse than prison! You know who is in prison in the UK? Julian Assange. Getting tortured, in a max security prison. Spending his days in solitary confinement. Britain has a terrible record on free speech. Should point out that fining and jailing people over internet comments is not new in Britain. States and corporations have predictably used this invasion to crack down on dissent in a way that is reminiscent of how all things german were treated in ww1. It is culturally barbaric to go back to such times. Russia today being essentially removed from the interwebs is pretty dam significant, it's one of the largest news stations in the world.

I was waiting for the "buuuuut hate speech" and it never came, so are we on the same page?

Agreed 100%, and Assange's case shows the weak conviction that the US has regarding of freedom of speech and is rapidly getting worse, don't you think its something worth fighting for? or is it that we simply disagree on how big of a threat ths is to the world?, I mean if you are concerned about the raise of fascism this should be a big one for you since obv controlling speech is one of the first tools used by authoritharians, particularly right wing ones.

On April 01 2022 19:27 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2022 11:28 lostaccount wrote: How about not making racist post so u don’t have a chance to go to prison? People gonna say or write something stupid at some point no matter what. Putting them into prison will be ekspensive for society. At maximum: give them a fine, unless its deaththreats or something.

Yea an expensive fine might be better. Something that hurts.
If ur a billionaire fine them 10m or something not like 10k

If ur a kid, some hard labour work

Anyone that doesn't think the issue of online censorship from the tech giants is a major issue has their head in the sand. I think it really hit home for me when that "Plandemic" movie was scrubbed from the internet. I think most of us watched the 9/11 conspiracy movie Loose Change at some point. I think most rational people thought it was mostly hogwash (although probably not most people on this site). But I think we all remember being able to watch it easily online wherever we wanted. Plandemic movie was probably similarly mostly hogwash but now we can see that something is not permitted to propagate on the internet if it doesn't fit the official narrative. We saw the same with the lab leak theory or the Hunter Biden laptop story, etc. The media can kill a story if they want to if it doesn't fit their narrative.

Cancel culture is another huge pain in the ass here. The US has more liberal laws when it comes to allowing hate speech than Canada or Europe but it's safe to say that cancel culture wants to be more extreme than either. They tried to get Netflix and Spotify to cancel Dave Chappelle and Joe Rogan. They're not exactly grand wizards of the KKK.

But I basically agree with Baal - We already have laws against what speech is not permissible, e.g. libel, slander, defamation, harassment, yelling fire in a theater, fighting words, etc. If you think the tech companies should restrict speech beyond that then I don't think you're seeing things clearly. Or more likely: You're okay with it because at the moment the targets of the restricted speech are people you disagree with morally or politically.

The last thing I will say is that in the United States the one entity that has done more to preserve our rights and liberties than anyone else is the ACLU. They are known to only argue for principles and not people. As a result they will defend anyone if they think their rights are being infringed on - from KKK to pedophiles to terrorists and anyone in between. Recently they have decided that they will consider not defending people if they don't "align with the ACLU's values" or some bullshit. Really fucking sad when even the ACLU is succumbing to woke culture.

On April 02 2022 19:31 blackjacki2 wrote: Anyone that doesn't think the issue of online censorship from the tech giants is a major issue has their head in the sand. I think it really hit home for me when that "Plandemic" movie was scrubbed from the internet. I think most of us watched the 9/11 conspiracy movie Loose Change at some point. I think most rational people thought it was mostly hogwash (although probably not most people on this site). But I think we all remember being able to watch it easily online wherever we wanted. Plandemic movie was probably similarly mostly hogwash but now we can see that something is not permitted to propagate on the internet if it doesn't fit the official narrative. We saw the same with the lab leak theory or the Hunter Biden laptop story, etc. The media can kill a story if they want to if it doesn't fit their narrative. Cancel culture is another huge pain in the ass here. The US has more liberal laws when it comes to allowing hate speech than Canada or Europe but it's safe to say that cancel culture wants to be more extreme than either. They tried to get Netflix and Spotify to cancel Dave Chappelle and Joe Rogan. They're not exactly grand wizards of the KKK. But I basically agree with Baal - We already have laws against what speech is not permissible, e.g. libel, slander, defamation, harassment, yelling fire in a theater, fighting words, etc. If you think the tech companies should restrict speech beyond that then I don't think you're seeing things clearly. Or more likely: You're okay with it because at the moment the targets of the restricted speech are people you disagree with morally or politically. The last thing I will say is that in the United States the one entity that has done more to preserve our rights and liberties than anyone else is the ACLU. They are known to only argue for principles and not people. As a result they will defend anyone if they think their rights are being infringed on - from KKK to pedophiles to terrorists and anyone in between. Recently they have decided that they will consider not defending people if they don't "align with the ACLU's values" or some bullshit. Really fucking sad when even the ACLU is succumbing to woke culture.

agreed, they trying to 1984 us now

On April 02 2022 09:00 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2022 19:57 Stroggoz wrote: He went to jail, not prison. Jail is even worse than prison! You know who is in prison in the UK? Julian Assange. Getting tortured, in a max security prison. Spending his days in solitary confinement. Britain has a terrible record on free speech. Should point out that fining and jailing people over internet comments is not new in Britain. States and corporations have predictably used this invasion to crack down on dissent in a way that is reminiscent of how all things german were treated in ww1. It is culturally barbaric to go back to such times. Russia today being essentially removed from the interwebs is pretty dam significant, it's one of the largest news stations in the world. I was waiting for the "buuuuut hate speech" and it never came, so are we on the same page? Agreed 100%, and Assange's case shows the weak conviction that the US has regarding of freedom of speech and is rapidly getting worse, don't you think its something worth fighting for? or is it that we simply disagree on how big of a threat ths is to the world?, I mean if you are concerned about the raise of fascism this should be a big one for you since obv controlling speech is one of the first tools used by authoritharians, particularly right wing ones.

I've always been against hate speech laws. I don't think it's worth fighting for me because there are obviously more important things to fight for instead. That doesn't imply it's not important by the way. Also, I don't even have the time to fight for anything right now. You and I fundamentally disagree on the causes of authoritarianism. For example, I believe that Trump tried to become a dictator on 6th Jan, and you do not. I think also that the primary cause of the shift towards more authoritarian political parties has been that corporations have taken control over all aspects of economic life. People have had no ability to express themselves politically, and this repression of human nature has caused people to want a different political system. It would not at all be surprising if the world went full dictatorship in the next decades, given the combination of this repression, ecological collapse and rapid technological changes. Also I don't think it should be a contentious claim that political freedoms are part of human nature. Chimpanzee's often engage in political revolutions and we are almost the same animal as them.

I'm not sure if I like using the word fascism. It's a specific type of authoritarianism and we should not let the word change its meaning from Mussolini's definition and conception-he was the one who originally defined fascism and he did a fine job defining it. There are lots of other types of authoritarianism and dictatorship other than fascist ones.

It looks like Ukraine may end up getting partitioned and we will have a Kashmir or NK/SK situation. The war will never end but there will be a permanent caesefire. Or it will end but the cold war will go on forever. These kinds of situations like the Ukraine crisis are always exploited by governments and have far-reaching consequences. Certainly, all European governments will become more dependent on the US military, and will be more authoritarian in some way. Look at what happened in the Iraq situation. Pretty much every government in the world instituted anti-terror legislation. Governments around the world cracked down on muslims. Some pretty horrific examples of this can be seen today in China. Hard to say if the NSA would have had a spy program if it wern't for things like 9/11.

U guys need 2 stop thinking u r military commqnders lol

On April 03 2022 17:45 hiems wrote: U guys need 2 stop thinking u r military commqnders lol

yea think like a buddha instead, peace be with us

On April 02 2022 20:05 Stroggoz wrote: I've always been against hate speech laws. I don't think it's worth fighting for me because there are obviously more important things to fight for instead. That doesn't imply it's not important by the way. Also, I don't even have the time to fight for anything right now. You and I fundamentally disagree on the causes of authoritarianism. For example, I believe that Trump tried to become a dictator on 6th Jan, and you do not. I think also that the primary cause of the shift towards more authoritarian political parties has been that corporations have taken control over all aspects of economic life. People have had no ability to express themselves politically, and this repression of human nature has caused people to want a different political system. It would not at all be surprising if the world went full dictatorship in the next decades, given the combination of this repression, ecological collapse and rapid technological changes. Also I don't think it should be a contentious claim that political freedoms are part of human nature. Chimpanzee's often engage in political revolutions and we are almost the same animal as them. I'm not sure if I like using the word fascism. It's a specific type of authoritarianism and we should not let the word change its meaning from Mussolini's definition and conception-he was the one who originally defined fascism and he did a fine job defining it. There are lots of other types of authoritarianism and dictatorship other than fascist ones. It looks like Ukraine may end up getting partitioned and we will have a Kashmir or NK/SK situation. The war will never end but there will be a permanent caesefire. Or it will end but the cold war will go on forever. These kinds of situations like the Ukraine crisis are always exploited by governments and have far-reaching consequences. Certainly, all European governments will become more dependent on the US military, and will be more authoritarian in some way. Look at what happened in the Iraq situation. Pretty much every government in the world instituted anti-terror legislation. Governments around the world cracked down on muslims. Some pretty horrific examples of this can be seen today in China. Hard to say if the NSA would have had a spy program if it wern't for things like 9/11.

I think you misunderstand my position regarding Trump and Jan 6th, Trump refused to accept the election results but so did Hillary 4 years before claiming the Russians fixed it.



One called for supporters to take it to the streets, the other antagonized a geopoiltlcal rival, both were soft coup atempts and these two should never sit in office again, and ideally they should do time because jeopardizing democracy at that level should be heavily discouraged, however Kamala Harris said that Jan 6th was like Pearl Harbor and 9/11, that is ridiculous hyperbole, and thats where I stand.


I think you are absolutely wrong about corps causing authoritarianism, proof of that is the abundance of authoritarianism in 3rd world countries with no economical freedom nor corporations, but to your point obviously the corp-state conglomeration in the US is terrible and it should be stopped, but its not the corps who corrupted the government but the government who put a for-sale sign on it.

I want to get into the autoritarianism caused by corporations, there is authoritarianism in underdeveloped countries with no corps from left and right, Russia and China are mega-states in control of industry, Australia showed scary signs of autohritarianism in the covid restrictions, as I showed above Germany and UK tightly policing speech none of these come from corporations.

But you are right in seeing that corporations seek power and authority but what you fail to see is that the biggest corp is the state but for some reason you think that this doesn't apply to them, why is it? do you think since they are elected it makes it different? or you believe the state doesn't operate in self-serving ways? or that the state is more accountable than corporations?

Can someone explain the logic behind sending nazi's to Ukraine to de-nazify Ukraine?

On April 07 2022 18:28 VanDerMeyde wrote: Can someone explain the logic behind sending nazi's to Ukraine to de-nazify Ukraine?

fight fire with fire?

flight costs are insane now

On April 08 2022 22:49 Baalim wrote: fight fire with fire?

Sending mexicans to demexify Mexico would be to fight water with water?

I"m not sure what demixify means but I'm probably on board.

On April 10 2022 02:50 hiems wrote: flight costs are insane now

From where to where?

Prices are inexpensive for travel within the United States of America, as well as the round trip ticket I am about to purchase from San Francisco to Rome (international travel).

On April 13 2022 07:36 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2022 02:50 hiems wrote: flight costs are insane now From where to where? Prices are inexpensive for travel within the United States of America, as well as the round trip ticket I am about to purchase from San Francisco to Rome (international travel).

newark to san diego for example is almost twice the costs.

idk where ur getting the domestic flights are cheaper thing ive been reading its up alot across the board due to the fuel prices from this russia/ukraine thing.