So long and thanks for all the fish - Page 2

i have remember everyone who has help me in life, and u did a small part lol

my life is prefect lol couldnt be happier at this moment could always be better every second though

i am only missing my soulmates but divine timing so ill be waiting haha.

On June 15 2022 09:28 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2022 01:22 Stroggoz wrote: "longple – epic grinder, one of the guys that was becoming the new generation of beast just as I was quitting the game, had a great dinner with him in London and was very happy to see him having deserved success at the time for his hard work." I was longple's padawan. I seem like a third-generation LP'er in the context of this post. The force was strong with that guy. He taught me new things that I would later confirm to be optimal by the solver. I believe Longple was on his way to become one of the best NL players in the world, but he never made it to the nosebleeds for some reason. The swedes crushed at poker during this time...Wilhasha, and Isildur1 were both at the top. They were the last group of top players that made people believe that sheer intuition was capable of making you number 1. Longple still made what is probably the most insane successful bluff i've ever seen, which worked. (against tuffshark). He called with a pocket pair twice then bluffed by repping quads or some shit. He posted it on LP and everyone thought Longple was a lunatic that got lucky, (except for me). Perhaps someone can find it in the HH section. Edit: I found it! https://www.liquidpoker.net/h/936362. Wow, hand seems actually very normal by today's standards. Crazy at the time though. Out of that list, I've only met Byrnesam, who used to crash at my place a lot after we went drinking. Very funny guy. When Byrnesam is drunk, he often walks backwards, then fowards, then sideways. I had to direct him with nudges to make him walk up the hill to my place once. Lmao. I have to apologize to Raszi. Byrnsesam once logged onto my LP account and insulted him a lot on this forum. I didn't want to do that as I barely knew who Raszi was. LOL Byrnesam legend. Really enjoyed reading the Longple story, and that hand link is amazing especially the LPer chat in the comments. I guess that in a nutshell captures is the era of poker moving forward towards more solid theoretical play away from my day's ridiculous street poker (standard open size was 4x, 3b to 14-16bb with unreasonable frequencies, cb 20bb lol), and with hindsight longple was clearly in front of it. Had an awesome couple 'old times sake' HU battles with longple long after I'd quit NLHE and was a plo player. Think I fared okay in the first one, must have ran good, but def got torn a new one in the second one. Stroggoz - think I vaguely remember lurking the site years after I stopped posting and saw u were doing well in poker's solver era? Great to see. Have you posted your own poker story somewhere

Yeah, Longple was very creative.

I miss those days, because it was before the time of memorization. I benefitted a lot from solvers, but in my opinion they dumbed down poker to some extent. There is far less creativity and there has been very little innovation and discovery in poker in the last two years. The improvements people make now are very marginal tweaks to their strategy. That's one of the reasons I quit. Another reason being that it is too hard to make a living off it anymore.

I havn't posted my poker story anywhere, so I may as well now that i've quit. My poker story is an unusual one. I came back to poker around 2018-2019 after a long break and managed to do very well thanks to a little known website called globalpoker.com. Funnily enough, I wouldn't have heard of globalpoker if not for neillyAA posting about it on this forum. So no matter what people think of neillyAA, I like to think of him as the guy who unknowingly started a chain of events that lead me to making a sick comeback in poker.

Very few people knew about the site, but it was incredibly soft at the time and only open to Americans and Canadians. The regs played like they were stuck in pre black friday era and culturally they were stuck in that time era. The amount of trash talk was amusing. I have a "globalpoker scrapbook" folder on my desktop. I got myself a canadian ID so I could withdraw. Eventually the site banned me and took my account balance (which was 5 figures at the time of the banning). I ran up a $300 bankroll into playing 10/20 in about 40 days, using aggressive bankroll management and proceeded to play 10/20 on that site for the next year. During this time, linuslove was battling at 10/20 on stars. His playstyle seemed innovative so I basically studied all of the hands I had got on him. After that i got into sims. Then I branched out and played on pokerstars and the chinese apps. Although the chinese app games were dying by the time I got to them. After global, I spent another year on stars and made it to 10/20. But the games at 10/20 were extremely tough. I'm not shitting you when I say that regs like katya_18, and 0human0 were possibly the weakest players in some of those 10/20 games.

My bankroll was too small to ever take shots at 25/50 on stars, and there was no hope i'd ever reach that level because the action was less every month. At the time of quitting it really seemed like my improvements were starting to feel very marginal. I didn't see a future for myself in poker and so I quit and decided to go pursue an education in math. I have now decided not to get a phd and am thinking of becoming some sort of coder.

And yea, that hand. The main reason I linked it is because of the reaction to it. It shows that Longple was very far ahead of his time. Nowdays every 1/2 reg would understand what Longple was doing there, and most would say "it's standard at some nonzero frequency". But back then it was a 200IQ giga leet play that mere mortals couldn't comprehend. And that was normal for the hands Longple posted here, haha.

Here's another very ancient hand from way back, from me. https://www.liquidpoker.net/h/937378

But Longple in the comments was the sole person arguing in favour of blockbets. Blockbets became very rare over time, becoming known as only a play that donks make. But they came back into popularity once people saw that solvers love blockbets. This isn't a spot where solvers blockbet, but it would have been a nice exploitative play to make.

Ah good you had me worried for a sec Glad you're doing well, good to see mida here too I never posted here as much as you guys but still check in everynow and then Yeah I'm good, still play a little poker tho not much, mainly playing around with crypto now. Luke's also good, living in asia playing in soft live games

On June 15 2022 14:04 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2022 09:28 Ket wrote:   On June 15 2022 01:22 Stroggoz wrote: "longple – epic grinder, one of the guys that was becoming the new generation of beast just as I was quitting the game, had a great dinner with him in London and was very happy to see him having deserved success at the time for his hard work." I was longple's padawan. I seem like a third-generation LP'er in the context of this post. The force was strong with that guy. He taught me new things that I would later confirm to be optimal by the solver. I believe Longple was on his way to become one of the best NL players in the world, but he never made it to the nosebleeds for some reason. The swedes crushed at poker during this time...Wilhasha, and Isildur1 were both at the top. They were the last group of top players that made people believe that sheer intuition was capable of making you number 1. Longple still made what is probably the most insane successful bluff i've ever seen, which worked. (against tuffshark). He called with a pocket pair twice then bluffed by repping quads or some shit. He posted it on LP and everyone thought Longple was a lunatic that got lucky, (except for me). Perhaps someone can find it in the HH section. Edit: I found it! https://www.liquidpoker.net/h/936362. Wow, hand seems actually very normal by today's standards. Crazy at the time though. Out of that list, I've only met Byrnesam, who used to crash at my place a lot after we went drinking. Very funny guy. When Byrnesam is drunk, he often walks backwards, then fowards, then sideways. I had to direct him with nudges to make him walk up the hill to my place once. Lmao. I have to apologize to Raszi. Byrnsesam once logged onto my LP account and insulted him a lot on this forum. I didn't want to do that as I barely knew who Raszi was. LOL Byrnesam legend. Really enjoyed reading the Longple story, and that hand link is amazing especially the LPer chat in the comments. I guess that in a nutshell captures is the era of poker moving forward towards more solid theoretical play away from my day's ridiculous street poker (standard open size was 4x, 3b to 14-16bb with unreasonable frequencies, cb 20bb lol), and with hindsight longple was clearly in front of it. Had an awesome couple 'old times sake' HU battles with longple long after I'd quit NLHE and was a plo player. Think I fared okay in the first one, must have ran good, but def got torn a new one in the second one. Stroggoz - think I vaguely remember lurking the site years after I stopped posting and saw u were doing well in poker's solver era? Great to see. Have you posted your own poker story somewhere Yeah, Longple was very creative. I miss those days, because it was before the time of memorization. I benefitted a lot from solvers, but in my opinion they dumbed down poker to some extent. There is far less creativity and there has been very little innovation and discovery in poker in the last two years. The improvements people make now are very marginal tweaks to their strategy. That's one of the reasons I quit. Another reason being that it is too hard to make a living off it anymore. I havn't posted my poker story anywhere, so I may as well now that i've quit. My poker story is an unusual one. I came back to poker around 2018-2019 after a long break and managed to do very well thanks to a little known website called globalpoker.com. Funnily enough, I wouldn't have heard of globalpoker if not for neillyAA posting about it on this forum. So no matter what people think of neillyAA, I like to think of him as the guy who unknowingly started a chain of events that lead me to making a sick comeback in poker. Very few people knew about the site, but it was incredibly soft at the time and only open to Americans and Canadians. The regs played like they were stuck in pre black friday era and culturally they were stuck in that time era. The amount of trash talk was amusing. I have a "globalpoker scrapbook" folder on my desktop. I got myself a canadian ID so I could withdraw. Eventually the site banned me and took my account balance (which was 5 figures at the time of the banning). I ran up a $300 bankroll into playing 10/20 in about 40 days, using aggressive bankroll management and proceeded to play 10/20 on that site for the next year. During this time, linuslove was battling at 10/20 on stars. His playstyle seemed innovative so I basically studied all of the hands I had got on him. After that i got into sims. Then I branched out and played on pokerstars and the chinese apps. Although the chinese app games were dying by the time I got to them. After global, I spent another year on stars and made it to 10/20. But the games at 10/20 were extremely tough. I'm not shitting you when I say that regs like katya_18, and 0human0 were possibly the weakest players in some of those 10/20 games. My bankroll was too small to ever take shots at 25/50 on stars, and there was no hope i'd ever reach that level because the action was less every month. At the time of quitting it really seemed like my improvements were starting to feel very marginal. I didn't see a future for myself in poker and so I quit and decided to go pursue an education in math. I have now decided not to get a phd and am thinking of becoming some sort of coder. And yea, that hand. The main reason I linked it is because of the reaction to it. It shows that Longple was very far ahead of his time. Nowdays every 1/2 reg would understand what Longple was doing there, and most would say "it's standard at some nonzero frequency". But back then it was a 200IQ giga leet play that mere mortals couldn't comprehend. And that was normal for the hands Longple posted here, haha. Here's another very ancient hand from way back, from me. https://www.liquidpoker.net/h/937378 But Longple in the comments was the sole person arguing in favour of blockbets. Blockbets became very rare over time, becoming known as only a play that donks make. But they came back into popularity once people saw that solvers love blockbets. This isn't a spot where solvers blockbet, but it would have been a nice exploitative play to make.

really interesting post, thanks for sharing. What did you do in your long break? guess it didn't stick if you came back, well done for still getting $ out of NLHE so late in the day, that sounds impressive / ouch on the ban . Also well done for pivoting back out.
More longple beasting, love it. guy was from the future. sure glad i did not play him hu any more than i did back then.

I checked that 2p2 thread you referenced about RTA, looks abs savage and def makes me think online poker (nlhe at least) is likely completely unviable now. so you can just open files from a big nested folders presolved database and know what to do in any spot? Funnily remember thinking when I quit something like "I suppose if this doesn't work out, in the abs worst case at least I can come back and grind some more poker down the line" - yeah maybe not so much anymore lol (luckily transition seems to have worked ok enough).

re: katya/human, the first name must be after my time as never heard it.. human I def remember as good solid reg from 25/50 games back in the day, though I guess being out of the loop so long it's more impressive/noteworthy to me the guy is still even playing today at all since I'm assuming that isn't the case for most of the player pool I was familiar with. I recall my first realisation of "oh the times, they are changing" while out of the loop was talking to a non-LP friend that played highstakes in, I wanna say ~2015, who said something to the effect of "you remember takechip? (crusher from my time) - yeah he's the big fish now, nl games run around him"

On June 15 2022 15:11 Nuros wrote: Ah good you had me worried for a sec Glad you're doing well, good to see mida here too I never posted here as much as you guys but still check in everynow and then Yeah I'm good, still play a little poker tho not much, mainly playing around with crypto now. Luke's also good, living in asia playing in soft live games

Aha figures on the not posting much, yeah you did poker surprisingly low key "getting it quietly" compared to how you were tearing up fools in GBR-1

Yeah Fayth was a sick grinder, probably still is. He's the one guy I've known to be basically addicted to owning people at something he's good at. He couldn't really see himself doing something else in life. Having a family didn't change that for him. But if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have had the motivation or confidence to do what I did back then.

As for me I stopped grinding anything for a few years and started living - exploring things I had neglected in life as a grinder. Studied things I was interested in, became involved in different groups. But more recently I started grinding something again - this time weightlifting. I enjoy the grind with something physical. It's familiar and yet novel. For work I got a job working on Google Stadia from home and it's very chill.

Fayth still crushes poker. I think he transitioned to MTT's because the money is better. He binked a live MTT a year or two ago. But yeah he could still do well in the toughest NL cash games. I've seen his 2020 z500 winrate :D, it was strong. I would say he was at least as good at me as NL cash at the time that I quit.

Ket you might be surprised to learn that Lemon finally moved up from nl10 and is a midstakes grinder now (last i saw).

There are a few other LP'ers that still play for a living.

Also I don't remember linking you an RTA thread, is that the one that shows me getting cheated in it? RTA has not really taken over yet, but it's going to happen sooner or later. A lot of people vastly overate cheating software as "killing poker". I think it maybe contributed about 0.1%. The other 99.9% is the predatory "overfishing" of regulars and the fact that NL has been solved asymptotically by the regs. The top regs basically are competitive with the top bots, (Pluribus beat Linus by 2bb/100, which means reg only games are pretty hard to justify when factoring in rake).

Am still alive also. HELLO KET @_@. Also am on the grind still playing the 2/5 -10/20 online but on WSOP.com which isn't as tough as stars

On June 16 2022 03:10 Stroggoz wrote: Ket you might be surprised to learn that Lemon finally moved up from nl10 and is a midstakes grinder now (last i saw). There are a few other LP'ers that still play for a living. Also I don't remember linking you an RTA thread, is that the one that shows me getting cheated in it? RTA has not really taken over yet, but it's going to happen sooner or later. A lot of people vastly overate cheating software as "killing poker". I think it maybe contributed about 0.1%. The other 99.9% is the predatory "overfishing" of regulars and the fact that NL has been solved asymptotically by the regs. The top regs basically are competitive with the top bots, (Pluribus beat Linus by 2bb/100, which means reg only games are pretty hard to justify when factoring in rake).

Atleast on WSOP.com i dont see much if any actual RTA possible users. Everyone is still making tons of mistakes and there's arguably more incentive on WSOP than other sites to use it since its even softer games. So i am not personally super worried about it yet.

On June 15 2022 18:48 Loco wrote: Yeah Fayth was a sick grinder, probably still is. He's the one guy I've known to be basically addicted to owning people at something he's good at. He couldn't really see himself doing something else in life. Having a family didn't change that for him. But if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have had the motivation or confidence to do what I did back then. As for me I stopped grinding anything for a few years and started living - exploring things I had neglected in life as a grinder. Studied things I was interested in, became involved in different groups. But more recently I started grinding something again - this time weightlifting. I enjoy the grind with something physical. It's familiar and yet novel. For work I got a job working on Google Stadia from home and it's very chill.

nice, sounds like a much happier life with conscious choice on how you want to live it than living on autopilot fulltime grinding poker or something else you're not enjoying

On June 16 2022 09:43 iop wrote:

On June 16 2022 10:03 DooMeR wrote: Am still alive also. HELLO KET @_@. Also am on the grind still playing the 2/5 -10/20 online but on WSOP.com which isn't as tough as stars

yoyo.. true grinder forlyfe :D

On June 16 2022 03:10 Stroggoz wrote: Ket you might be surprised to learn that Lemon finally moved up from nl10 and is a midstakes grinder now (last i saw). There are a few other LP'ers that still play for a living. Also I don't remember linking you an RTA thread, is that the one that shows me getting cheated in it? RTA has not really taken over yet, but it's going to happen sooner or later. A lot of people vastly overate cheating software as "killing poker". I think it maybe contributed about 0.1%. The other 99.9% is the predatory "overfishing" of regulars and the fact that NL has been solved asymptotically by the regs. The top regs basically are competitive with the top bots, (Pluribus beat Linus by 2bb/100, which means reg only games are pretty hard to justify when factoring in rake).

ah don't remember how I stumbled across it then, clicking around here and there.. involved screenshots+chatlogs of some german kids where the guy doing it had a computer with nested folders next to his poker comp where he can apparently just look up what to do in every nlhe spot while playing. some hand involving calling down J7 mid 2pair on a 4flush board vs your 3barrels and talking in chat about being surprised the solution wants them to do that 100%

i spose if top players are really playing within 2bb/100 of solutions then its functionally equivalent to playing with bots. assuming there are still bunch of softer spots otherwise it sounds difficult to justify playing even if its a 0 rake game to me. At least on the blue chip sites - doesn't sound like doomer is running into these problems

NeillyAA probably has easier time beating games on PA.stars than Linuslove does on EU stars. Never thought i'd ever say such a sentence, but there it is.

When I played on globalpoker and stars at the same time, 200nl on stars was a bit tougher than 2000nl on global. I think American regs started to catch up a lot though in the last 2 years. I'm suprised there arn't more russians making there way onto american sites, i thought they would have flooded the place by now. When i was on global I was part of an unofficial bot investigation team. We took down a russian bot ring that was making $30-40k a month there.

Yea you're right about American regs being extremely weak and only just recently starting to work hard to improve. My pool has gotten much tougher in the past year compared to a year before. There have been a bunch of good players coming over to my pool also. Famously btnclicker is now terrorizing us HU players now rofl. Him and a few other sickos have been battling lately. Generally speaking though I think you're a little pessimistic. There are people still making great money even on stars. It just takes a ton of work