Looks or Game Part II - Page 2

On November 17 2022 02:58 RiKD wrote: Why is it bullshit??

Love is probably not a program available in his coding therefore it's "bullshit".

God damn it. Another night I find myself alone and in minor existential dread. I coded. I played the guitar. I read and read and read. I can't sleep. Not that that is even a bad thing since I work the later shift tomorrow.

I am getting to the point in this book where I can copy everything perfectly fine. It's rather trivial to copy code and get it to run but I am starting to not understand the code I am copying. It's a pain in the damn ass.

I feel a little lost with the guitar too. I haven't been practicing as much. I got a new guitar and I am just not comfortable with it. My teacher says to brace my picking hand on the bridge but it just doesn't feel natural at all and it's fucking pissing me off.

My anxiety has been kicking in more and more lately. I panicked driving over a bridge and on the highway the other day. It spooked me now I am afraid to drive over large bridges and on the highway. My hands shake sometimes when I am ringing up customers. Feeling the pangs of panic has got to be one of the worst feelings I must endure in a reasonable day. It's awful.

And I am trying to improve my position somehow despite all of this. I turned down a promotion at work. Well, I just didn't apply even though many encouraged me to. I am sort of engaging with this non-profit 80,000 hours which holds the position that the most impact we can make is the ~80,000 most of us will have to work in a lifetime. It's related to EFFECTIVE ALTRUISM TM so I am being cautious but I am desperate. I mean there are probably 2 types of people in effective altruism: The manipulators and the naïve so I am not sure what I am hoping for here. From reading some of their stuff I think I would be interested in working on "s-risks" or basically what happens if we don't go extinct but have to suffer tremendously from day to day. Eventually, I will get a 1 on 1 consult with somebody and see what happens from there. My intention is not to manipulate anyone which means I am probably naïve. But, oh well, it is the only thing sparking ideas and hope for me right now. That and the idea of Ethereum and Quadratic Funding and Gitcoin and Uniswap, et al. The greedy thing would be to not even mention any of this until I get some bets down but there is no telling when I will get some extra capital to do so. HA! Although probably barely anyone is reading this far.

At the end of the day I look around my room and it is part graveyard of all the toys I bought with hope. There is even a box of Wood Elf Archers from probably 1996 (WTF?). It is obvious I crave connection. The toys and projects only get me so far. They get me back to writing these mother fucking blog posts. If I can't even cross a bridge or ring people up with out panicking I really don't know my way out of this situation. I am literally stranded on this island afraid to connect with people.

Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code

Let me make it easy for you re effective altruism

The thought experiment goes like this

Imagine you find out there are two houses on fire; one house has an unconscious member of your family who will perish if you don't help them. That member of your family is a regular person (i.e. not an effective altruist). The other house has a big bag of cash. Let's say $10,000 or more. You only have time to save the member or the money. What do you choose?

If you save the person, you aren't an effective altruist, and you should stop wasting your time with this ideology immediately. With $10,000 you can save the lives of at least two people in poor countries, which is the effective thing to do (2>1). The vast majority of people do not care what is the most effective thing to do, because there are many other reasons why a person does what it does, and those close to us matter more than those far away. The "soft" version of EA is to live in a way that is sort of inconsistent but simply donate a large chunk of your income to charitable causes that have been carefully selected for "Maximum EV" because you can afford it as a privileged dude - which you are certainly not. If anything you should be on the receiving end of other people's charity. Either way, this is probably not the cause you want to devote a lot of time to. It appeals to people with autistic tendencies and those who are pretty well off and who feel like "doing good" abstractly/giving themselves a good conscience for living privileged lives.

On November 17 2022 02:58 RiKD wrote: Why is it bullshit? Is there any continental philosophers you don't have a distaste for? Certainly some non-math thought has been good over 3,000 years? Maybe the OG Socrates was right in that know one (continental philosophers especially) knows anything?

"All happiness or unhappiness solely depends upon the quality of the object to which we are attached by love."

It's nothing to do with math or continental philosophers or anything. I just question things i read. It takes like 5 seconds of questioning the quote to realize it doesn't make sense.

If by objects, he means people, then happiness depends on lots of people in our lives, not just one.
Also happiness isn't dependent only on objects we are attached to by love. It's dependent on lots of things, not just people. Like for example if i get a good nights sleep, then im happier.
Or if i just ate ice cream or not. Things like that affect my/our happiness. So clearly, happiness is dependent on lots of things, not just qualities of objects.

Even the socrates quote is a logical contradiction. If he said "I know only one thing, that I know nothing.", then he's claiming to know something.

If Socrates didn't have Dunning Kreuger, he'd say something like this instead: "I don't know if I know anything or not."

Btw the dunning kreuger thing is a joke. Socrates is a genius.

"objects" means things and people. The better the quality of your sleep, the more likely it is to make you happier. (Although sleep isn't really a "thing", and it's easy to be miserable and still get 8 hours a sleep every day.)

The ice cream question is a bit more complicated. Ice cream is a junk food. It is made to be super-palatable and arouse the nervous system in a way in which it wasn't possible throughout human evolution. In this context you can say "quality" is the amount of effort/quality of ingredients that go into creating the best pleasure, but Spinoza wouldn't regard this as a necessary part of happiness, because it comes with a lot of negatives (habituation to superstimuli leads to health issues which lead to unhappiness).

The same with a video game. It can be a superstimuli that fucks up your brain and life, convincing you that every "dose" is making you happy. But a real quality video game might be a deeply creative game that has a start and an ending and which doesn't interfere with your life.

The same with the people in your life. They can interfere or they can enrich your life. Main difference is that there is a possible type of love with people that doesn't exist with things that are meant to be consumed. Low quality people can only consume/use each other as means to an end, transactionally, whereas love involves giving and self-sacrifice. The more people you have in your life that are generous and kind, the happier you are going to be if you yourself are also one of such people. There is a direct correlation between the quality of people in your life and your happiness levels and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Most rich and extremely lonely people would give up their fortunes and luxurious pleasures if it meant being guaranteed to meet their "soulmate" and be able to maintain a solid relationship with them.

Dunning-Kruger is an effect that is valid at the group level. It is not used to draw conclusions about individuals. And if Socrates had been studied for it it would have involved actual tests on his performance in numerous subjects, for example asking how he thought he did on a grammar test, not just his opinion about the general knowledge that he has. We have no idea how he would actually rate himself after doing a test.

On November 19 2022 16:10 CurbStomp2 wrote: Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code

Yeah. It's all I got right now. My friend completed the book and moved to San Francisco and went to one of the best boot camps in the world. That is clearly not possible for me at this point. I'm starting to look into schooling that I would actually have the time, money, energy, and motivation to complete.

On November 20 2022 00:52 Loco wrote: Let me make it easy for you re effective altruism The thought experiment goes like this Imagine you find out there are two houses on fire; one house has an unconscious member of your family who will perish if you don't help them. That member of your family is a regular person (i.e. not an effective altruist). The other house has a big bag of cash. Let's say $10,000 or more. You only have time to save the member or the money. What do you choose? If you save the person, you aren't an effective altruist, and you should stop wasting your time with this ideology immediately. With $10,000 you can save the lives of at least two people in poor countries, which is the effective thing to do (2>1). The vast majority of people do not care what is the most effective thing to do, because there are many other reasons why a person does what it does, and those close to us matter more than those far away. The "soft" version of EA is to live in a way that is sort of inconsistent but simply donate a large chunk of your income to charitable causes that have been carefully selected for "Maximum EV" because you can afford it as a privileged dude - which you are certainly not. If anything you should be on the receiving end of other people's charity. Either way, this is probably not the cause you want to devote a lot of time to. It appeals to people with autistic tendencies and those who are pretty well off and who feel like "doing good" abstractly/giving themselves a good conscience for living privileged lives.

I would save the family member easy.

Part of the allure here is the 80,000 Hours website is telling me they can help me find a job. It brings hope that I could find a better job. Even though in this moment I know finding a job just takes a lot of work and time. I certainly don't want to sort clothes for 80,000 hours. I don't want to sort clothes for 40 hours.

I know a guy who has devoted his life to "s-risks" and he is literally afraid of causing pain to his calculator when he turns it off. He argues that we shouldn't kill video game characters because they have some degree of sentience.

80000 hours is not going to help you find a career. Honestly, you're not in a good enough place mentally to be able to push yourself and focus on a career path like the ones they advocate for. It's a resource for a specific kind of highly motivated individuals, and it largely ends up being about telling people to pursue careers that have the highest income potential so that they can donate the most money to "do good in the world". It presupposes that neoliberal capitalism is a system that is worth working with, rather than something that needs to be overcome.

I get that you're desperate. Let me say it one more time. You need something that involves intimacy - something that brings you closer to people - and you are doing the absolute opposite by moving towards something that is filled with abstractions and an obsession with making more money. It's not going to bring you any relief.

Personally I also find it pretty sad that you happen to be hyperfocused on this shit amidst the shitstorm that is ongoing in Crypto with Sam Bankman-Fried losing his fortune - the guy who claimed to be amassing all of this money for "effective altruism". How effective he was!

There's really no logic at all behind the choice of saving the $10,000.

You can either choose to subscribe to the moral principle that all human beings are worth the same, or choose the principle that family/friends members are worth more, but strangers are still worth consideration. And then you can accept everyone else subscribing to that principle. If you beleive the later, then there's no good argument for saving the $10k. I say this because the ultra utilitarians/EA crowd arn't really any more logical than the rest of us, they are just subscribing to a different moral belief.

There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!!

Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad

On November 20 2022 04:27 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2022 16:10 CurbStomp2 wrote: Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code Yeah. It's all I got right now. My friend completed the book and moved to San Francisco and went to one of the best boot camps in the world. That is clearly not possible for me at this point. I'm starting to look into schooling that I would actually have the time, money, energy, and motivation to complete.

https://www.mooc.fi/en/#courses i would look at these. I don't know where you are at with programming, but the introduction to programming with java or python are probably the best free courses available anywhere right now for beginners.

On November 20 2022 06:03 Loco wrote: I know a guy who has devoted his life to "s-risks" and he is literally afraid of causing pain to his calculator when he turns it off. He argues that we shouldn't kill video game characters because they have some degree of sentience.

A weak anecdote imo. I would have to be bursting with psychosis to care that much about my calculator or video game characters. There is reason involved with reducing suffering around the world. That has been my wanted MO since even before I got sober. I am a hypocrite because I am not fully vegan and have not been fully vegan for more than 6 months at a time. It seems that most if not all non-profits are set up in a way to work with capitalism. That is the problem it's not an out. It still would probably be more desirable than sorting clothing for most of the day.

80000 hours is not going to help you find a career. Honestly, you're not in a good enough place mentally to be able to push yourself and focus on a career path like the ones they advocate for. It's a resource for a specific kind of highly motivated individuals, and it largely ends up being about telling people to pursue careers that have the highest income potential so that they can donate the most money to "do good in the world". It presupposes that neoliberal capitalism is a system that is worth working with, rather than something that needs to be overcome.

I don't disagree with anything here. Which means I'm not really in a state to get a job in "s-risks," climate, AI, etc. The site was just giving me some hopium. Maybe just maybe I can find something that will work out.

I get that you're desperate. Let me say it one more time. You need something that involves intimacy - something that brings you closer to people - and you are doing the absolute opposite by moving towards something that is filled with abstractions and an obsession with making more money. It's not going to bring you any relief.

I talked to my therapist today to try and figure this out because at the moment I am in a state of avoidance for AA meetings in particular but also social meetups in general. I think in my particular position I have to overcome the anxiety surrounding AA meetings and go there because otherwise I have nothing cooking. I may go to AA and get frustrated again but I don't know what else to do.

Personally I also find it pretty sad that you happen to be hyperfocused on this shit amidst the shitstorm that is ongoing in Crypto with Sam Bankman-Fried losing his fortune - the guy who claimed to be amassing all of this money for "effective altruism". How effective he was!

Even in the name "effective" altruism is rather arrogant and I was arrogant for thinking I could be effective or more effective or less "effective" in a better way. But, you have to understand and I think you do understand that 80,000 hours of what I am currently doing feels so incredibly banal that surely I could find something better and it's easier clicking on a website and reading articles with a promised 1 on 1 consult than to actually go on Indeed everyday and do all of the other things it takes to find a job. The effective altruism gang always seemed rather suspect to me and SBF is a glorious example of what it really is but I wanted to see if that is really what it truly is. Surely, there have to be some humble unsung heroes that are just using sound reasoning to help people.

On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad

The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck.

There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too.

what are you coding rik?

On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too.

Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years

PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america

On November 22 2022 10:21 Raidern wrote: what are you coding rik?

I'm working through the book Python 3 The Hard Way by Zed A. Shaw. I'm looking for other avenues to learn though. There is a local boot camp that I could afford. Whether it is worth the money is another story.

On November 22 2022 15:36 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote:   On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too. Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america

Build my "empire" lol. My tax return for 2021 was $0. Real estate is fine for a number of reasons but I believe in crypto more.

# Ella Knox is my new "girlfriend" but the relationship lacks any form of intimacy.

print("sad face" )

On November 23 2022 03:24 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2022 15:36 ggplz wrote:   On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote:   On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too. Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america Build my "empire" lol. My tax return for 2021 was $0. Real estate is fine for a number of reasons but I believe in crypto more.

In the US if you're broke you are the most fucked of anywhere in the entire planet, keep building tax returns and get qualified. Thought your job was going well. Fuck it, get a real estate license too. Crypto is nonsense mate. Is crypto going to pay your rent every month? I just showed you how to take the single largest expense in your life and turn it into a net positive / asset builder (your mortgage/equity) you can use to expand and buy/rent out more properties in the future. Are you going to launch rockets to mars or something? If not this is a great way to develop yourself.