600nl AJs 200ishbb deep need a line check

Hope all is well - just wondering what peoples views will be the best line for this hand.

Villain in question is SlannesH; I've caught him in the past making moves and he comes across as loose/overly aggressive. I believe he thinks I am on the tight side of things.

PokerStars Game #7880030843: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/01/11 - 12:32:51 (ET)
Table 'Tithonus' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: WrongButton ($1023.15 in chips)
Seat 2: SlannesH ($1237.35 in chips)
Seat 3: sharpia7 ($944.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Dzsenaj ($606 in chips)
Seat 5: BeerBug ($356 in chips)
Seat 6: DoctorIn2010 ($1344.65 in chips)
BeerBug: posts small blind $3
DoctorIn2010: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WrongButton [Js As]
WrongButton: raises $18 to $24
SlannesH: calls $24
sharpia7: folds
Dzsenaj: folds
BeerBug: folds
DoctorIn2010: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Qs 4h]
WrongButton: bets $36
SlannesH: raises $84 to $120

A. Could pull of a turn card cheap and flat call? Assuming you take this line and river blanks, now what?
B. Check/raise this flop? if we do and Slan 3bets to $500ish is this an autopush?
C. Could 3bet ourselves with the intention of calling a shove?

What would your line be in the situation against this villain?

Also not to sure how to use the converter - oops

Thanks

Chris

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PokerStars Game #7880030843: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/01/11 - 12:32:51 (ET)
Table 'Tithonus' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: WrongButton ($1023.15 in chips)
Seat 2: SlannesH ($1237.35 in chips)
Seat 3: sharpia7 ($944.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Dzsenaj ($606 in chips)
Seat 5: BeerBug ($356 in chips)
Seat 6: DoctorIn2010 ($1344.65 in chips)
BeerBug: posts small blind $3
DoctorIn2010: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to WrongButton
WrongButton: raises $18 to $24
SlannesH: calls $24
sharpia7: folds
Dzsenaj: folds
BeerBug: folds
DoctorIn2010: folds

Flop (Pot : $57)

   
WrongButton: bets $36
SlannesH: raises $84 to $120

also, your hand is monstrous and if he is overaggressive, i will tend to use a more passive line to gain max value this is especially true if he views you as tight. i think the standard line here is to 3bet the flop as he will be folding most hands, but the problem with this line is he wont be folding any hands you are behind such as KQ, 4-4. furthermore he doesnt have a strong combodraw like Js10s because we have the jack of spades, so he will likely be folding any weaker draws if we 3bet him.
against this villain i like to call his flop raise. if i hit an offsuit 10 on the turn i will c/r, otherwise if i hit a spade or a blank i will c/c again. on the river i will lead very strong if the 10 came on the turn or on the river and i will lead weak if i hit my flush on the turn or the river. this is because ur flush outs are transparent, and you want to rep a blocking bet so an overly aggressive opponent may raise you.

wondering what everyone else thinks of my line .

northfish


jk

i agree with northface on alot of his points here, in general my standard line would be to 3-bet flop and call push but because we are deepstacked vs an overly aggro opponent i prefer a flatcall.

i also may c/r AI on a blank turn if he bets again, expecting him to lay it down a massive amount if he has you as a tight player.

If I do hit the 10 on the turn i'd probably c/r
I'd also c/c or c/r a flush on the turn depending, but if i c/c i would probalby try to c/r the riv AI, hoping him to take another stab and try to rep the flush since i just flatted with the flushcard.

lol wtf, make it 330 and call a shove

there are SO many more combinations of spades / JT / bluffoes (do we want to be c/cing or c/fing against bluffzorz? :|) than 444.

monster poker metagame etc

lol wtf indeed... if hes overly laggro thats surely MORE reason to 3bet/call shove. ESPECIALLY with your tight image in his eyes.

On January 11 2007 17:58 Ket wrote: lol wtf indeed... if hes overly laggro thats surely MORE reason to 3bet/call shove. ESPECIALLY with your tight image in his eyes.

but doesnt that lose value from a hand that we can extract so much more value from?

... what

On January 11 2007 18:57 Moloch wrote: ... what

like if villain has a low FD or is on a total bluff, and we are able to induce bets from him

... if he raises this flop and you call and he has a draw (other than possibly 9Ts) he's RARELY betting the turn.

slowplaying draws.. this is new

3 bet here planning to get it all in
i had a similar question a while ago where i got the same advice from some very strong players

On January 11 2007 18:12 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2007 17:58 Ket wrote: lol wtf indeed... if hes overly laggro thats surely MORE reason to 3bet/call shove. ESPECIALLY with your tight image in his eyes. but doesnt that lose value from a hand that we can extract so much more value from?

extract value? you have Ace high... i think playing this hand without F/E is a big mistake. Your draws allow you to semibluff fearlessly, i dont think u should be trying to extract value, especially oop.

On January 11 2007 15:30 pokerprochris wrote: Villain in question is SlannesH; I've caught him in the past making moves and he comes across as loose/overly aggressive

loose and overly aggresiv? Me? You must be kidding....

http://www.pokerhand.org/?733418



Btw, YOU are the overly aggresiv Villian! Watch this hand: http://www.pokerhand.org/?733433



Regards

hey guys, nice to see you post in this forum, ive played a lot with u lately.

i would 3bet this flop def. the way u played it is in imo vbad.

easiest push ever

you really arent *that* deep

surprised he was messing around with 99 on this flop, but seriously this is a push all day

i hope you don't actually mean to push $900 more over a $110 raise

On January 12 2007 09:31 Moloch wrote: i hope you don't actually mean to push $900 more over a $110 raise

sorry i guess i have to spell it out...try to get it all in on the flop

I think this is quite a basic hand actually. I'm going to assume here (and always will at 6 handed) that he does not have QQQKKK. There is only one card left that can give him a set and he might have a lot of other foldable holdings. You have a draw, your value is in fold equity, which you have. In case of an allin you're always good vs any hand. Good spot for a reraise.

lol straate