Starting over...

Myea, I decided cuz I suck so magnificently much that I cannot make it. I can't beat NL25 (at least win any showdowns whatsoever. I just noticed this is impossible - no matter how good I am when the money goes in). So I cashed out everything but $150 at Stars where I'll start over. Maybe with better luck. Lol Luck. Lol. LUCK.

At least I can happily say I've cashed out over $2k now so Strafe's $6 wasn't all spoiled.

at least you got 2k in spending money. But don't let bad runs get you down man. I lose confidence when i'm on those horrid months. Keep doing some self checks and have PT help you if you're actually sucking or if just Lee Jones is pissing on you.

Bad runs? What's that. I thought everyone just lost to 2 outers on the river every hand. It's been so long since I won a pot I can't even remember it anymore.

$2k? wow good job muhweli

im not sure u should cashout but i guess its quite a nice way to do things.

main problem with doing this is that you will suddenly be playing for a lot less

How is that bad thing when all I do is lose? Poker is just plain retarded. Every time you have a streched period of massive lossage, you think it's the worst it can get. IT CAN ALWAYS GET WORSE.

And $2k is nothing, I had $3k at some point. So massive lossage at NL100, then at other limits too just slowly destroyed $1k (okay not that slowly). Today after losing to about 100000 suckout, I decided that best way is to start over from scratch and secure the $2k. Plus I'm up so a few hundred from live games too, those I seem to do better in. Maybe it's just a swing, but at least now I have more roll to play those ;D

lol muhweli

And you lost like 1k at nl100? Uh thats barely a bad streak at all hell I have lost 10 buy ins in a day before.

uhh, no thats not what i think at all, in fact i dont think about anything when i lose other than how i played it wrong

10 buyins made u run scared, you moved up with 30buyins and u dont know if u have the skill for NL 100... move down a limit instead of moving down like 5 or w/e and cashing out

thats my advice

Oh wait I reread what you posted. You lost some at other limits as well. But still you couldnt have lost that much if you only lost 1/3 of your br. Just suck it up and keep going. Bad runs are part of poker and if you think you have seen bad runs now wait until you reach higher limits.

"Everybody will eventually run worse than they thought was possible. The difference between a winner and a loser is that the latter thinks they do not deserve it. "

- immortal quote of some guy on 2+2

On March 01 2006 09:22 Muhweli wrote: I've cashed out over $2k now

Wanna go have that beer now xD? Say in "3-4 days" ?

hey muh, i just lost 12 buyins on NL50. its sick but u have to overcome it. maybe try to fold overpairs more often (thats what i found is my biggest leak when i run bad - i overplay overpairs.)

muhweli, i want your msn !!

if you have msn that is

lol muh
this is from back from when i played 100$NL, a single day (yes it stands out obviously) and i'm over 12ptbb/100 overall winner in it
you haven't even tasted swings yet man

2 outers are nothing bro, it's about the 2 outer runner runners

muhweli i think you can succeed, you just need to really be able to take blame for some of reason for losses and assess your play critically

while you might not want to hear this, i dont think your luck is any worse than anyone else here

and that graph looks a lot like my bankroll this month as well but instead of 1 day make that 2-3 days.

i remember playing i think almost 18,000 hands one week and ending up around even, because of rakeback (hi meat :D ). this last month i've made $500, because of a $850 bonus (albeit i haven't played much). and i'm damn content, because i'm improving slowly but very surely. oh fuck my electricity cut off for the 2nd time in 2 days -___- where was i, oh yeh. it's good you're having a break and giving yourself oppertunity to review your gamestyle, but don't be weak, be fucking relentless, especially if you know you're playing +ev :@

I know everyone runs bad at some point. I just also know that many people here haven't run as bad as I have. This is mostly to those owning it up at NL5-NL25 at the moment thinking poker is greeeat.

how badly did you run exactly? you haven't really specified
you gotta specify so we can point and laugh, ya'know

Muhweli's problem is that he tilts MASSIVELY whenever he loses a few big pots. That's his major leak. He can't handle the emotions when playing poker : p

Hey but GL Sami~ : )

On March 01 2006 11:27 Twisted wrote: Muhweli's problem is that he tilts MASSIVELY whenever he loses a few big pots. That's his major leak. He can't handle the emotions when playing poker : p Hey but GL Sami~ : )

WTF
Is Muhweli's name Sami ? Because that's my name too !

thing about starting over is u should be able to rebuild much quicker.
i dont think this is a bad idea at all. although maybe the better choice would have been to have a 2k bankroll and stay at 25NL or something.

ive lost as much as you did muh or maybe even more in 2 weeks. I can't tell you how much i feel you, i should of done what you just did tho cash out and start over instead of lose it all and start over.

Yea but you played too high Loco ;P And it's not that much about how much I lost but I haven't gotten up with my roll in ages. Like erwin said, I have "break downs" every now and then when I lose few big pots, since I haven't yet learned to take a break after that ^^

But anyway I think this is a good idea and I think rebuilding will be much faster anyway than it was the first time. I expect to be back at Nl50 in a month ;P

Muhweli, you are a mystery to me.

When I first took up poker seriously after WCG I read your blog from time to time and really admired your atttitude toward poker. Writing down your thoughts about many hands, analysises in Pokertracker, consistent bankroll management, many live events - dedication. I really thought you would be in NL400 by now.

But for some strange reason I see something is blocking you from moving up fast, I don't know what it is and how to define it, but maybe it's indeed what Twisted said (whenever I see your hands posted here it's mostly sick beats). Whatever it is I recently noticed that your are lacking something for the moment. Perhaps it's confidence, some sort of tenacity?

I'm not too crazy about the 2k cashout, but I'm happy you won't give up.

Is anyone suprised muhweli went BUSTO?!

LOL, GL this time =/

seems like i will have to follow ur path soon muhweli. 16 buyins down is just way too much for me

16 buyins ? holy shit Joe.... thats much.have to move down now ? ;(

Sad to see that it went so far Muhweli, but i have confidence that you will be back fast again. See it this way : at least u made 2K$ that you have safe now and can spend for anything you like. And i bet you will be crushing these microlimits very hard now so that you get your confidence back and soon be ready to start again where you stopped.

GL!

On March 01 2006 14:22 tomson wrote: Muhweli, you are a mystery to me. When I first took up poker seriously after WCG I read your blog from time to time and really admired your atttitude toward poker. Writing down your thoughts about many hands, analysises in Pokertracker, consistent bankroll management, many live events - dedication. I really thought you would be in NL400 by now. But for some strange reason I see something is blocking you from moving up fast, I don't know what it is and how to define it, but maybe it's indeed what Twisted said (whenever I see your hands posted here it's mostly sick beats). Whatever it is I recently noticed that your are lacking something for the moment. Perhaps it's confidence, some sort of tenacity? I'm not too crazy about the 2k cashout, but I'm happy you won't give up.

anything is possible. even good people like muhweli cant move up. nothing is 100% sure in poker. except like people who are drawing dead. heh

On March 01 2006 14:22 tomson wrote: Muhweli, you are a mystery to me. When I first took up poker seriously after WCG I read your blog from time to time and really admired your atttitude toward poker. Writing down your thoughts about many hands, analysises in Pokertracker, consistent bankroll management, many live events - dedication. I really thought you would be in NL400 by now. But for some strange reason I see something is blocking you from moving up fast, I don't know what it is and how to define it, but maybe it's indeed what Twisted said (whenever I see your hands posted here it's mostly sick beats). Whatever it is I recently noticed that your are lacking something for the moment. Perhaps it's confidence, some sort of tenacity? I'm not too crazy about the 2k cashout, but I'm happy you won't give up.

I enjoyed Muhweli's blog when I was starting as well, I looked up to him cause he seemed to be doing real well for a beginner. He also helped me out with a few PM exchanges over @ teamliquid, best of luck Mr.Muhweli sorry to see you struggling

these kids have no idea how good they're running

Everybody goes through moments of intense shit.

Ive been through it, many people here have been through it, and some have been through it worse than others.

Cashing out everything is just unreasonable, put it all back, suck it up, and continue playing at lower limits until you rebuild.

If it wasnt for variance there would be no fish

lolz beer, what is your motive for posting that other than a retarded failed attempt at a brag

good point, i'll delete

Seriously though, I'll be back at NL50 in a month or so. I don't take pressure of it. I agree some might think it's unreasonable.

Oh and Tomson, I think twisted prolly is right. My biggest problem is the blowups that cost me too much every now and then. But I haven't been running good lately. When I picked up NL first time, I had huuuge run. And by huge I mean really good. And it's been evening out at late.

The thing why I think I havent advanced beyond and permanently to NL100 is because there money starts to feel like money. I know i should develop a total disregard for it but the sums start to be biggish and I haven't gotten used to losing $100+ in one hand just yet. So when I do, preferably a few times in a row, I start playing worse aka tilting.

Anyway, gimme month or two and i'll be back at NL50, month from there, NL100!!! I hope. :D

at least you have a roll to work with right? and always get something to break when you get pissed. That's the korean way of letting the steam out so you don't steam away another buyin or so.

Try changing sites. It seemed to have helped me.

I ran well on ladbrokes, then started taking beats - so i changed to party, started winning then started taking beats and just couldnt seem to win a pot - so i changed to PokerStars, and im in the black for the first time in 2 months

told you ;p

muhweli fighting!!

On March 01 2006 17:56 byrnesam wrote: Try changing sites. It seemed to have helped me. I ran well on ladbrokes, then started taking beats - so i changed to party, started winning then started taking beats and just couldnt seem to win a pot - so i changed to PokerStars, and im in the black for the first time in 2 months

you win then lose because nobody knows how you play then they figure you out
if the field is satisfactorily able to solve you it's because you're too simple

I have similar story but not so crazy like urs i think. I was 450+BR in NL25 and after 14 days of my idiocy, i was 40$ . So I took 1 week break to analyze my faults and clear my mind and now rising in NL10 :D

On March 01 2006 22:35 Casper... wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2006 17:56 byrnesam wrote: Try changing sites. It seemed to have helped me. I ran well on ladbrokes, then started taking beats - so i changed to party, started winning then started taking beats and just couldnt seem to win a pot - so i changed to PokerStars, and im in the black for the first time in 2 months you win then lose because nobody knows how you play then they figure you out if the field is satisfactorily able to solve you it's because you're too simple

how does that work with thousands of different players?

Only thing about changing sites is that I've played on 3 different sites.

I play the best poker on Pokerstars because the software is total crap on any other site.

I agree about that too, I've played maany sites, but Stars client makes it less being frustrated about the client and more being able to concentrate on the game ;P

At the low levels u don't tend to find regulars, and those who are regulars at 25nl, for example aren't intelligent enough to adapt to ur 'style' Also i don't see how ppl can get a good feel for ur play when personel is changing so frequently on a table...kids get bored. Low stakes is all about playing simple, solid poke - players won't even be observant enough to notice how u play anyway. Also pokerstars does indeed rule, love the software...party is so soft tho

what casper says is significant , also i feel players on different sites play in slightly different ways , just in my limited experience, maybe i'm wrong

on stars 10nl there are definately regulars (well i was playing all day everyday) and eventually i was getting zero action

u get more of certain TYPEs of players on different sites, this is true...this is game selection. The good players quickly move up, if ur playing on stars or party then the number of players is huge so i don't see getting no action as a problem anyway. Pick the juiciest tables to play on, and if ur not getting action then move to other tables

I also am a strong believer in the effect software has on player tendencies.

UltimateBet has the fastest software and a bet pot button, which results in the most aggressive players.

Sites with slow, uncomfortable software are more likely to result in loose, passive play.

I have a hard time deciding whether I should play a site with good software and tough competition or with horrible software and players accompanied by very nice bonuses. For now I chose the latter.

Bleh, today I lost like 10 buyins on 2-4 and 3-6 and I'm not really that worried.

ditto, in past 2 days. slightly overcooking my pizza pissed me off more tho, it was starting to go black a little near the crust :{

i once lost $850 at $50NL in about 4 hours. now that is running bad

On March 02 2006 08:02 Ket wrote: ditto, in past 2 days. slightly overcooking my pizza pissed me off more tho, it was starting to go black a little near the crust :{

yeah i hate black crust cause it makes the dipping sauce meaningless

Muhweli.

This is me 3 months ago
remember this?

hang in there

multiply the big bets by 2 btw to get NL bbs, to appreciate the seriousness of these pics

wtf? fix your game, that chart over 30k+ hands is not just a bad run

edit: oh i see, you say 3 months ago

Heh yea well seeing how it has gone recently, I think it's cool I'm playing some $5 HU and NL10. And sure I deserve all this bad luck like Strafe said. Prolly because he's bitter for me being compassional when he got anally ravaged at Stars. But I believe the better days will come.

On March 02 2006 08:31 Arya wrote: wtf? fix your game, that chart over 30k+ hands is not just a bad run edit: oh i see, you say 3 months ago

That's -35 buy-ins over 50k hands

I think Nazgul has had one of those too

For some reason I think Casper has had one of those too

As for me, I ran with far below average luck there, but I also was much worse then. At the time it seemed like all bad luck. Now I know better

-35 buyins on limits under 10/20 (and maybe 5/10) is not healthy just so you know

I thought I said I knew

Most of it was on 400 and 200 NL on stars
which is pretty close to what you said. so. semi excuse. maybe? But yeah I suck far less now

Luckily I'm not down that much ;D The thing is I haven't progressed all the swings seem to be downwards. ^^

This will build me as a player and as a person for sure. And I never ever touch limit again ;D At least not before I am rolled to lose a few k while learning.

On March 02 2006 08:04 TalentedTom wrote: i once lost $850 at $50NL in about 4 hours. now that is running bad

well that is solid, but yesterday i lost like 250$ in about 20 minutes...

I've found that leaks can be huge even when you think you are doing everything perfectly. And many players do. You need to be extremely self critical, say "Yeah, I played this wrong an that wrong" to yourself on a daily basis. If you aren't, you're definitely fooling yourself. There is a ton more improvements to be made to your play, and you'll discover their nature in due time. Clicks faster with some, slower with others. I think luck has a lot to do with this. Some eople are lucky to have stubmled upon a method that works before others. Others find 1000 ways how not to make a lightbulb first.

/ramblings

Poker is wonderful. Seriously. It is. It is great. All you need to do is put your money in when you have from 1 to 4 outs and you're fine. I have hard time believing but it works for everyone, especially in the microtables! I will never play poker again.

maybe you just suck at poker.

On March 02 2006 04:33 Ibsu Bai Hui wrote: what casper says is significant , also i feel players on different sites play in slightly different ways , just in my limited experience, maybe i'm wrong on stars 10nl there are definately regulars (well i was playing all day everyday) and eventually i was getting zero action

lol - why was that mate?

On March 01 2006 10:03 Ket wrote: "Everybody will eventually run worse than they thought was possible. The difference between a winner and a loser is that the latter thinks they do not deserve it. " - immortal quote of some guy on 2+2

myabe this just a loser talking, but I don't think that anyone deserves it, if they are playing correctly, the real question is if they can handle it.

O course everyone deserves to run well, bad, horrible, and despicable

if everyone plays long enough, everyone will

I feel bad because I took some of Muhweli's money. Sorry for adding to excessive tilt.

Its not a question of whether or not you deserve it, its a question of when it will happen and how long. Which is up to variance to decide.

Its totally inevitable and will happen to everyone.

Saying you don't deserve it is just ludicrous, its a part of the game.

On March 02 2006 10:37 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2006 08:04 TalentedTom wrote: i once lost $850 at $50NL in about 4 hours. now that is running bad well that is solid, but yesterday i lost like 250$ in about 20 minutes...

I don't understand the way you guys play NL. I think u lost it on tilt.
I've made about 60k hands on .5/1 NL and 17k on 1/2 NL this year. (8 tabling) I was down 600-700$ in only one session in 2 month period, but recovered it in the same day.
As a limit player mostly, once I lost 4,5k in one month at 5/10 and 10/20 (that was 4/5 of my whole br) and thats why now I play OVEROVEROVERrolled.

I know that poker is the ONLY thing to make enough money that's why I'll never stop. I found Muhweli's decision real stupid.

i lost that money experimenting new things though it was not in vein. thats preety much what i did at those stakes i wanted to learn how to play this game properly regardless of cost. its not like i was taking a lot of bad beats i just tried doing new things like bluffing/limping in with random trash/pushing with random cards etc... after i figured it out i made it back and more in a heartbeat.

On March 02 2006 14:43 Meatball wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2006 10:03 Ket wrote: "Everybody will eventually run worse than they thought was possible. The difference between a winner and a loser is that the latter thinks they do not deserve it. " - immortal quote of some guy on 2+2 myabe this just a loser talking, but I don't think that anyone deserves it, if they are playing correctly, the real question is if they can handle it.

It was Gigabet I think. Or at least Gigabet commented on this saying "this is more true than most people think". And sure, everyone does deserve it. ^^

What a fucking newbie!

Actually an Irieguy quote, GigaBet just popularized it in his Almost There With Success And Failure.

I was under the impression Gigabet didnt actually write that for some reason (I think I saw another indentically named article of the same name before I read Gigabet's post). That was definately a very very good article.

Here it is if you haven't read it.

No, GigaBet wrote it. Scott Fischman had it published as a guest article under his name in Cardplayer magazine, if that's what you're thinking of.