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Yugless   United States. May 11 2007 02:49. Posts 7174 | | |
I just spent the past few days in southern California and I've fallen in love with live poker. I've been playing 5/5 NLHE, and the most of the players are painfully bad. I'm making more money per hour at the casino playing 5/5 than i do playing 4 tables of 2/4 and 3/6 online, and i'm making over 5bbs/100 online. I wonder why people who live near casinos even bother with online poker. I guess the mass multi-tablers make more online, and probably get bored playing live.
What's really funny is that these awful players keep trying to teach me how to play. They have no concept of aggressive poker, they just want to see every flop and hope to get lucky. I've run in to a few good poker players but most of them are just gamblers, playing every hand for any raise, like pulling the handle on a slot machine.
Online poker is taxing. I search for fish among the regulars, and i'm soo happy to have 2 loose/passives at my table(FR) . In my live play experience, most of the table is consistently loose/passive.
Live poker is also more fun and social. With all the talk of bots, and the online games continually getting tougher, I've decided to move to California, cash out my online roll and play live poker. I have some family out here and i love the weather and the ocean.
Can anybody give me a reason why this is a bad idea? Do the games get sick tough at 5/10, 10/20? Are live players really as bad as i think they are or have i just run in to bunch of unusually bad ones? If i'm good enough to beat 2/4 FR online am i good enough to beat 5/10, 10/20 live?
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TheHuHu   United States. May 11 2007 02:58. Posts 4271 | | |
From hearing other people's experience of live poker, it matches up almost perfectly of your description. Although it's probably logical to assume that 5/10 and 10/20 live would be harder than lower stakes, I don't think that cashing out your whole roll online for live is a good idea. For one, online poker is just utterly convenient and making a drastic change like this in your poker career should have more thought put into it.
You have played a few days of live poker; I suggest playing a lot longer--maybe a month or two--and see how well or bad you do and compare your wins / losses with your online poker sessions.
I would suggest combining both in your life because I'm sure you can find the pros and cons of live / online poker.
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SKoT   United States. May 11 2007 03:09. Posts 1768 | | |
with my limited live experience i can say playing like 3/6 that 90% of the people are just insanely awful every time i go
dunno if dont have anything binding you down and want to move on a whim, good luck with it should be really fun |
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Baalim   Mexico. May 11 2007 04:04. Posts 34262 | | |
live is easy as fuck... you should probably work on your tells, probably having a session with a good player who is your friend and then asking about tells might help you, you dont wanna cash out all ur money to then realize u breath "tilly" style. |
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[vital]Myth   United States. May 11 2007 05:20. Posts 12159 | | |
great idea. i knew you'd cave in.
welcome to LA soon. seriously, playing live is just a good old-fashioned smart decision. games are soft as they come, even at high limits. you can easily sustain 0.5M/yr playing 10/20 and 20/40 at commerce.
the games don't get sick tough at those levels at all. i'm gonna be playing live a lot in LA over the next few years as well. we should trade reads (^_^) |
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Baalim   Mexico. May 11 2007 05:28. Posts 34262 | | |
i remember when i used to play (for junk money like 25nl tops) online, i tought i were all "live-pro" then i saw mike Caro's video about tells and god damn im such a Jennifer Tilly full of tells :D |
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DooMeR   United States. May 11 2007 05:45. Posts 8559 | | |
uhh if you play only live now, when will you find time for us? :| |
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Ket   United Kingdom. May 11 2007 07:14. Posts 8665 | | |
your enthusiasm for it automatically makes it sound like a decent idea to go for, except for the part about cashing out your online roll. you asked for reasons why it might be a bad idea well here a few things to think about:
- pretty sure youd make more per hour online at similar stakes. the games might be a lot easier but enough to justify playing 30 hands per hour over 500+??? and if you're a 5ptbb winner online thats like crushing the game pretty much... sounds like you might be overestimating what hourly rate is actually doable live?
- not only will 30 hands/hr make you win less but it'll get more tedious and boring when its full ring and u get to play like 5 hands every hour as opposed to 5 hands a minute. im shuddering now at the thought of having to just sit there in silence and do nothing while waiting for some clueless nitty mc nitterson take two full minutes mulling over a "tough decision" and get the clock called before finally acting. i mean it might make a nice change of pace from time to time to play in a loose donkfest game but for me itd definitely get suicidally boring after a while to not be able to ever play shorthanded/headsup in an extremely viciously aggressive dynamic again. you'll pretty much just have to make good hands and value bet all day.
- your game definitely wont improve anywhere near as fast just playing live and that equals a long-term opportunity cost of potentially massive profits. do you think youd be anywhere near as good as you are now if you played live from the start?
- if you change your mind about it, is it even gonna be possible for u to fund your online accounts with decent $ deposits? aren't there tiny maximum limits on deposits for the very limited options u have left?
all in all, would be a good idea if u were to play on the internet as well alongside it. because if you aren't, that'd almost mean having to drag yourself out of bed to the casino on a regular basis!?!!!1!?! which i imagine might get extremely sickening fast. would be great to only go down on some days and put in a few hours here and there on the internet on other days |
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Ket   United Kingdom. May 11 2007 07:30. Posts 8665 | | |
also im not sure when u were planning to do this, but for having a go at being a live pro for a while, vegas will be the place to be for june-july |
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PoorUser   United States. May 11 2007 07:39. Posts 7472 | | |
keep some moeny online. dunno what your looking at rollwise but maybe just play 1/2 live for like a week. the games are retardedly easy you'll be back up to 5/5 in just a couple of sessions. it seems like a nice way to get around losing the possibility of playing online.
equally important is that if you play mostly live at 5/5 you wont get any better. you will just be dropkicking retards everyday. if you have any aspirations to get really good, you should keep a good amount online to keep playin with. if your happy with your level of play now and are just looking to grind and chill at 10/20 longterm then thats fine too.
i guess its just a matter of which way your looking at it |
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pinbaLL   Sweden. May 11 2007 08:08. Posts 7243 | | |
Yugless are you a girl?
comment on your post: Don't be hasty! |
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XeliN   United Kingdom. May 11 2007 08:22. Posts 2365 | | |
i dont agree with what ket and poor are saying live and online are so different if you play live consistently you will get better at live play but that probably wont make you better at online play. online play can obviously help your play more when playing live but once you reach a certain skill level it wont help you much. basically i feel if your planning on playing live i disagree with some peoples ideas that this wont help improve your poker, it will just in different areas that playing online would improve |
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Yugless   United States. May 11 2007 09:29. Posts 7174 | | |
| On May 11 2007 03:04 Baal wrote:
you dont wanna cash out all ur money to then realize u breath "tilly" style. |
lol @ tilly's heaving b00bs |
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Yugless   United States. May 11 2007 09:38. Posts 7174 | | |
| On May 11 2007 07:08 pinbaLL wrote:
Yugless are you a girl?
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yes
ty for the advice, i should probably keep some money online. im probably going to wait a few months before i go and try to get some more money together. i might not even need to cash anything out like Pooruser said, just maybe play a little lower and build my live roll up. |
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DooMeR   United States. May 11 2007 09:44. Posts 8559 | | |
yea i agree with ket 24/7 also, some days u just wont want to get dressed and go. If u want to, just compromise and build a live roll off your online roll and do both and move to LA if u like it there. No need to commit to things when your a poker player! |
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blunt_smokr   United States. May 11 2007 12:53. Posts 1314 | | |
you will go back to playing online eventually even if u do start playing live....every poker player needs there online fix |
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lolgiraffe   United States. May 11 2007 12:54. Posts 305 | | |
Being a live player who made the switch to online from 3/5NL live, I can say that your winrate is result of sample size. I really do not beleive that long term it is possible for you to make more playing 5/5 time invested versus 2/4 or 3/6 4 tabling time invested.
That said, I love live poker. =) |
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nolan   Ireland. May 11 2007 12:56. Posts 6205 | | |
when you have a few bad live sessions in a row, i think you'll start to reconsider. it can be a long drive home. |
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