ever consider your position as a winning gambler? - Page 7

On March 28 2010 18:59 joLin wrote: im not gonna hold myself responsible for the choices that people make. you dont blame mcdonalds if ppl are overweight.

This is true, (macdonalds is evil for other reasons than offering fattening food) i also believe in absolute personal freedom so basically a person who is OK with gambling pretty much has to be ok with all drugs be legalized, because we believe personal freedom is more important than protection by the government based by their or the majority's morality.

One thing is true and i think a lot of people are in denial, when we play a busto degen we are a barman who continues to serve a wasted alcoholic until he collapses, most of us just made pace with selling that bit of morality because its relatively small and its our modus vivendi, however dont fool yourselves that is for other reason than that, or even worse adopt a dog eats dog mentality only because of that which is a terrible rule to live by and will quickly turn you into a monster.

On March 28 2010 19:03 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2010 18:37 Edjon wrote: btw winning money from degenerate gamblers is only something which is frowned upon, just like masturbating in an airplane. Thanks a lot Bin Laden.

You can still get away with masturbating on an airplane, it's just a lot harder now..

. . .you're welcome.

He is trying to take your money by involving himself in this game.

On March 28 2010 17:40 Fudyann wrote: Taking money from people that you know are people with a gambling addiction is morally wrong. There is no excuse for this. Most of the people you are taking money from, however, are not degenerate gamblers. Some people think they play winning poker and blame their losses on variance. Some people actually play winning poker, but their poker doesn't win as much as your poker. It is okay to take money from these people.

so your pretty much saying poker is morally wrong. it's pretty much impossible to be a regular and not be taking money off people with a gambling addiction.

On March 28 2010 12:59 Oly wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2010 15:21 Bigbobm wrote: i wonder if people who run liquor stores share this moral debate. Funny you say that. Someone who owns a liquor store is actually creating opportunity and increased supply of the thing the addict wants. A poker player however does not do that but piggybacks on an opportunity already there, making the shop owner much worse.

This is biased. With all the markets / bars that sell alcohol, the supply of alcohol is unlimited. If people want liquor, they are going to get it and there is a demand for it, so opening up a liquor store will be the piggybacking onto the opportunity. Being a poker player however can increase the availability of a game, especially home games. Also, more often than not, poker players seek out the fish to take their money, liquor store owners don't go looking for drunks to sell booze to.

On March 28 2010 17:40 Fudyann wrote: Taking money from people that you know are people with a gambling addiction is morally wrong. There is no excuse for this. Most of the people you are taking money from, however, are not degenerate gamblers. Some people think they play winning poker and blame their losses on variance. Some people actually play winning poker, but their poker doesn't win as much as your poker. It is okay to take money from these people.

So it's not okay to take money from degenerate gamblers, but it is okay to take money from losing players that blame their losses on variance.

Do you realize that's basically the definition of a degenerate gambler?

if you guys think about everything if its morally right or wrong you ll find yourselves in one really fucked up world where the moral is pretty much gone almost everywhere where cash is involved
good luck living normally with that

On March 29 2010 07:12 jowid wrote:

haha

hahah

lol@pic

and baal is very right there.

we prey on the fish, like tabacoo companies on the addicted, etc million of ethically wrong situations can be compared here.

stacking noobs makes me sleep better at night.

On May 17 2007 00:23 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2007 17:46 MezmerizePLZ wrote: Honestly it seems no one has any choice in life, and I agree. Your choices are made from genetic makeup and your experiences from the time you are born, choice is just an illusion. that is a sad, sad way to see life, then no archievement is truly yours, nothing in life comes from your effort. You dont win shit, nor acomplish anything in your life, and you are just experiencing what you were suppoused to... and then eventually you die. If you truly believe that you would have shot yourself long time ago... but actually you dont

This is the kind of thing which is completly true, but its better not to think about it....

On March 29 2010 10:24 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On March 29 2010 07:12 jowid wrote: haha

this is win

On March 29 2010 10:04 Spitfiree wrote: if you guys think about everything if its morally right or wrong you ll find yourselves in one really fucked up world where the moral is pretty much gone almost everywhere where cash is involved good luck living normally with that

wow so you are suggesting we turn ourselves blinds to what is immoral and live under that rules because it is easier.

Holy shit, some threads have been really eye opening to me, its sad to see people so young, this smart and so fucking rotten.

On March 29 2010 10:04 Spitfiree wrote: if you guys think about everything if its morally right or wrong you ll find yourselves in one really fucked up world where the moral is pretty much gone almost everywhere where cash is involved good luck living normally with that

its like a woman gets raped everyday by his husband she says ok i gonna live with that because he will always find me.

cmon, dont give up this early...
sick

On March 28 2010 19:17 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2010 18:59 joLin wrote: im not gonna hold myself responsible for the choices that people make. you dont blame mcdonalds if ppl are overweight. This is true, (macdonalds is evil for other reasons than offering fattening food) i also believe in absolute personal freedom so basically a person who is OK with gambling pretty much has to be ok with all drugs be legalized, because we believe personal freedom is more important than protection by the government based by their or the majority's morality. One thing is true and i think a lot of people are in denial, when we play a busto degen we are a barman who continues to serve a wasted alcoholic until he collapses, most of us just made pace with selling that bit of morality because its relatively small and its our modus vivendi, however dont fool yourselves that is for other reason than that, or even worse adopt a dog eats dog mentality only because of that which is a terrible rule to live by and will quickly turn you into a monster.

Couldn't agree more.

On May 17 2007 00:23 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2007 17:46 MezmerizePLZ wrote: Honestly it seems no one has any choice in life, and I agree. Your choices are made from genetic makeup and your experiences from the time you are born, choice is just an illusion. If you truly believe that you would have shot yourself long time ago... but actually you dont

Not necessarily. It just means he finds his predetermined life to be worth living, out of enjoyment, curiosity or whatever motives. You can prefer watching a movie even if you aren't the director and would rather change some of the scenes, dialogues and actors.

the ideal system is that the individual be sovereign.
i don't believe that if a person goes to the top of a building with cardboard wings planning to jump off thinking he will fly anyone can morally justify stopping him.
ive been hearing in this thread that tobacco companies, alcohol companies are immoral. Lots of people want to smoke, Lots of people want to drink, last time government tried to ban alcohol, lots of people were murdered. Even to this day people and politicians won't even think about banning alcohol, like its super unpatriotic. But I say if you want to make choices for other people banning alcohol is a must it causes disease and cancer and heart attacks and car crashes. I don't believe in making choices for other people, I find it to be extremely immoral. And if you fucking say you won't ban alcohol but you'll ban some other vice because you can't get alcohol banned but you can get this vice banned, you make me angry. HUOLK SMASH

Poker is a form of expensive entertainment, this is a justifiable approach to being productive. Granted none of us think we are in the entertainment business.
its not immoral to take money from a degenerate gambler, the gambler is willing to risk everything for some good time entertainment.

On March 30 2010 09:55 woodbrave1 wrote: the ideal system is that the individual be sovereign. i don't believe that if a person goes to the top of a building with cardboard wings planning to jump off thinking he will fly anyone can morally justify stopping him.

But it would be a problem for the pedestrians on which he will crash... And people who will have to clean the streets...
This dumb (I admit :-)) response to show that the argument "I'm free to do what I choose to do" is wrong. While it does'nt interact with the others, I'm ok with it. But if you are getting drunk and then driving your car...

Other point, about the self decision. I don't agree on the assertion that someone is up to choose alone what he wants to do. There are some decisions you are not ready to make, not mature enough... or too crazy to do. Thanks to the law, or parents education, lots of people have been prevented from making some stupid mistakes when they were younger.

Freedom is for me overrated.