Bottom set, Deep 200nl - Page 2

JT can't 3bet the flop because wtf does he ever expect to get value from when he 3bets? you aren't check/raising a draw here, you're obviously check/calling and hoping other people inflate your pot odds by overcalling. your range is so unbelievably narrow to check/raise here that he is going to want to fold JT, tbh.

I like to flat flop too to buid the pot. Multiway is very str8forward, so you know when youre beat. And I think JJ and TT can be in his range becouse they are fullring nits. I mean, that 10% pf raise could represent stealing blinds and premiums or only openraising

flop is a fold - even I fold here, which means a lot

first there was double posting, then there was posting 7 times in a row

On July 24 2007 14:06 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: first there was double posting, then there was 1 post for every 10k of the $70k

when i own a thread, i don't fuck around.

this player can never have a combo draw here? full ring is sick

On July 24 2007 15:22 RiKD wrote: this player can never have a combo draw here? full ring is full of nits

wow so terrible advice, going broke here in a limped pot is TERRIBLE this guy alwayshave 89, no exeptions if you plan to continue only do so for boat up odds wich he isnt giving on the turn.

Baal is correct - this is a flop fold IMO - FR players are so nitty I don't even think they 3-bet flop with top 2

Thanks for the advice fellas, esp Myth. I obviously misplayed this pf.

Nevertheless, I used all my timebank on the flop and thus made a hasty decision on the turn, and shoved.

He had 89, river blanked.


P.S. MARC 753 is a nit I have him at like 8/4

i totally agree with tom/myth/baal.

there's no way he has anything other than 89 in my mind.

If you going to call $80 you might as well shove the flop, if your going to call that much in an unraised pot, do you really have to think on the turn unless a major scare card comes, like a card that completes the flush or something, but is doesn't matter, its just such a draw heavy board. You need to think bro, don't just call a bet, you need to understand, by calling your going to have around %40 of your chips in there, so you might as well go all in, so if u think your set is good you have to shove, calling is bad here because there's so many draws.

mehhhh i personally think limping 77 is ok (?)
i fold flop tho.

then again i don't know 1/2 so my advice is probably worthless

On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here.

because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............?

calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option

How does your advice change if this is a 6-max table and the same amount of people have limped before, and hand plays to the flop as played in the original hand? Still fold to 3bet on the flop?

On July 25 2007 08:46 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here. because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............? calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option

I don't understand - the 5 is a blank. So why is it still okay to call the flop 3bet then fold to a turn bet?

On July 25 2007 08:33 n0rthf4ce wrote: mehhhh i personally think limping 77 is ok (?) i fold flop tho.

i also agree w/ the limp its fine from time to time

On July 25 2007 10:56 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2007 08:46 Nazgul wrote:   On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here. because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............? calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option I don't understand - the 5 is a blank. So why is it still okay to call the flop 3bet then fold to a turn bet?

it's ok when your opponent 3bets the flop slightly too often, but when he gets called he always gives up with bluffs and other hands you beat.

what nazgul means is that sometimes the flop 3bet isn't enough info to force a fold with a set, but the flop 3bet followed up by a stiff turn bet sometimes is.

there are certainly cases when a flop 3bet and a turn bet still isn't enough to make you fold a set, as well as cases when the flop 3bet on its own is more than enough.