Bottom set, Deep 200nl

Villain is a reg that runs about 15/10 (Can't recall his exact stats). I have never seen him get out of line.

Submitted by : Babs

PokerStars Game #11106894452: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/07/24 - 08:13:40 (ET)
Table 'Persephone II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: FrameLayer ($81.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Turtle-13fd ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 3: asikking ($190.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Pandochat ($221 in chips)
Seat 5: MARC 753 ($205 in chips)
Seat 6: futilewar ($200 in chips)
Seat 7: ronnelcarlo ($198 in chips)
Seat 8: Sandviper23 ($384.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($598.60 in chips)
FrameLayer: posts small blind $1
Turtle-13fd: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
asikking: folds
Pandochat: folds
MARC 753: calls $2
futilewar: calls $2
ronnelcarlo: folds
Sandviper23: calls $2
Hero : calls $2
FrameLayer: calls $1
Turtle-13fd: checks

Flop (Pot : $12.00)

   
FrameLayer: checks
Turtle-13fd: checks
MARC 753: checks
futilewar: checks
Sandviper23: bets $12
Hero : raises $18 to $30
FrameLayer: folds
Turtle-13fd: folds
MARC 753: folds
futilewar: folds
Sandviper23: raises $50 to $80
Hero : calls $50

Turn (Pot : $172.00)

   
Sandviper23: bets $150
Hero : ?

First of all, raise PF.
Secondly, either fold to his 4bet or shove. This board is so draw heavy and you let him see the turn so cheaply. What's more, if you call the flop do you expect the villian not to bet the turn? He will always do it. And what card would you like to see on the turn to ez call here? 7? Your call on the flop means that you thought your set might be good. What did that 5 change?
As for me, I fold the flop. You're either against JT, TT, 89 or a combo draw. W/ all of these hand your opponent calls a flop shove. That means your shove is -EV.
Calling is even worse.
Fold > Shove > Call.

As for the turn, it's an easy call after you called the 4bet on the flop.

dude hero has 77 :S
villain cant have 77. 777 beats JT and it beats a combo draw too, JJ and 1010 are unlikely since everyone limped(a 15/10 would raise these i think).. so shoooooooooooooooooooooovvvveeeeeeeeeeee.

btw i think calling pf is fine.

I am 90% sure this dude raises TT-JJ pf, therefore I put him on 89 or JT (haven't seen him 3bet combo draws). So I called flop hoping to shove any repeater, it didn't come and hence am in a conundrum

i dont know what a conundrum is but i think you should shove. i think you look really good against his range (bluffs, semibluffs with good draws and combodraws and made two pairs and sets)

raise to 13$ preflop

Yep if he has any raising stats at all he probably would've raised TT-JJ, o if you can take away those hands i would say push the flop where you have some FE vs JT/flushdraw and are 35% vs 89 (which is the hand i would say he have like 75% of the time or something). If you just call you are pretty much comitting yourself to a call vs 89 on the turn eitherway and you give flushdraws etc a free card.

Now when you just called the flop i would fold turn, you are a big dog vs 89.

Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here.

wow make it 14$ preflop ... so many limpers and u have such a good hand. You dont want a multiway pot, you want a headsup pot.. jesus NEVER call there on the BT with ANYTHING.

If you wanna play a hand even if its 27o raise it.

as played this is a standard cooler.

screams of 89, but yeah, a shove is standard here

kapol, your advice is screwy, a) look at the stack sizes and b) if he calls with JT, combo draws, and 89, his push is +ev

i strongly suggest lurking more and posting inane bullshit less

nvm

Against a range of 77,JTs,98s you have about 50% equity. I think that's a good summary of his range (obv there are more you can add but it evens out) so I think you have to go broke now , also the turn call probably commits you.

I'm interested in higher stakes players as to flop play.

argggh full ring, hurts my eyes!

is it not good to raise this preflop? anyways, on this drawy of a board w/ basically no higher set possible get it in and be happy about it.

sandviper is such a fag hes so bad, on 6max

fullring is so gay, but EXTREME rock stars such as [vital]Myth are such heroes in it

button is your world man...raise preflop for sure. also, make it like 18. the more limpers in the pot, the more you need to discourage multiway action.

in this spot, here's my raising range:

{62s+, A2s+, K2s+, KJo+, ATo+, 22+}

so ANY suited 3gapper, 2gap, 1gap, or connector, any pair, any suited ace or king, and some offsuit aces and kings.

and at 1/2 fullring, this is probably too tight.

higher sets aren't possible here, but remember that in a limped pot, JT is gonna be scared of 77 and 98, 98 is beating you and you'd rather either lose a small pot or outdraw then get it in, and no other hand is willing to play for stacks. sandviper is never EVER getting out of line here with a combo draw in fullring, EVER.

so since you know he has JT or 98 when he's willing to play a big pot, you should honestly just flat his flop bet, encourage some action from the fish behind you, look to boat up, and stack some fish or stack sandviper's 98. if the board does pair and he wakes up with JT, it's a cooler and getting your stack in is fine imo.

but yeah, sandviper is a nit although competent, and the rest of the limpers are total fish. encourage the fish to play by just calling. really important concept for value extraction in full ring.

actually, marc 753 is an ok player who responds to game flow decently and can get really aggro when necessary. i've seen him do some really shitty things though, but seldomly

also, this bet size doesn't want you to fold. this is a belligerent expression with his near pot-sized bet on the turn, saying "i want to commit you to a river shove since we're this deep"

in fact, i don't even think JT 3bets the flop. he has 98 or a misclicked JJ/TT every single time.