FTP RNG not certified

suprised nobody has seen this or mentioned this so i will. bodog and stars for example have on there site a list of companies that have auidted and checked there rng for randomness. On full tilt's site there is no mention of how there rng works and no mention of a 3rd party auditing or checking there rng. Since most people play on stars ill list what there site says on there rng... PokerStars shuffle verified by Cigital and BMM International
PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.

Both independent companies were given full access to the source code and confirmed the randomness and security of our shuffle. Visit Online Poker Random Number Generator for more details.

I dont see how this point can be downplayed, in fact i had a lenghty conversation with perry friedman who is/was a main cog in team full tilt and he kept telling me how random it was etc etc..but when i made my point about there rng not being certified he absolutely didnt address this

FTP FTW

http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?article_id=584401&view=0

even if it isnt random, it is random ducy?

it gets better, a post on rec poker from perry friedman stated he would remind the powers that be to get it done...well that post was made on 4/19/2005 so some 29 months later still nothing

lol

i say to ftp get 2 independant agencies and get it done...kep playing on a site that hasnt cleared up or verified there rng...

Was curious why when I got all in behind, I never came out ahead..

THIS SITE is 100% safe, on the other hand

LOL NO SUCH THING AS RANDOM ROFLAFLFOFLASF



think about it, if it was really off by any measurable degree, people would log millions of hands and notice discrepancies beyond minuscule randomnessability


stfu

I agree with skot here, nothing is random, regardless who "verifies it"

On November 09 2007 17:14 TedHastings wrote: THIS SITE is 100% safe, on the other hand

qft and also why are we always looking for some agency to certify stuff as if that makes it 100% correct. just have some trust that it's a good product because tons of people use it without complaint.

FT not random? maybe you should spend less time reading dribble and more time working on your game and blaming other things for losses

On November 09 2007 18:41 DrunkPPlaya wrote: FT not random? maybe you should spend less time reading dribble and more time working on your game and blaming other things for losses

lol welcome to the forums

i think the idea is that its not externally certified, not that it's not necessarily not random. woo triple negative!

on another note, it's totally fucking stupid to be worrying about this. there is absolutely nothing preventing stars or anybody from getting something certified and then changing implementation. there is a significant degree of trust required to play online, and this is just an unavoidable part of the game. if it makes you feel any better, implementing an acceptably random pseudo-RNG is very trivial compared to much of the code required to serve and run and app like FTP or PS

bleh, it's not rigged. I remember watching an episode of live at the bike with Bart Hansen and David Tuchman, where Tuchman was talking about how he doesn't trust online poker's randomness, and later he's talking about the ShuffleMaster at The Bike Casino where he swears by it and how he loves how convenient it is. imo just ridiculous how many people can process information this way.

i will say i played the site for 6 months and will NOT be playing there again

This is not about blaming a site for losing etc. This iste channels millions and millions per day and there are some very serious players who play these sites and want to be assured that its random and not shady. If a site like bodog or stars has gone thru the trouble of having there rng certified then why wouldnt we expect full tilt to already have done this some time ago. There are a number of players who run below expectation on that site, sure you dont win all your 70/30's but it doesnt even out for the better players..yeah you can still win but the suckouts are higher there

On November 09 2007 20:51 hockey4433 wrote: This is not about blaming a site for losing etc. This iste channels millions and millions per day and there are some very serious players who play these sites and want to be assured that its random and not shady. If a site like bodog or stars has gone thru the trouble of having there rng certified then why wouldnt we expect full tilt to already have done this some time ago. There are a number of players who run below expectation on that site, sure you dont win all your 70/30's but it doesnt even out for the better players..yeah you can still win but the suckouts are higher there

if you are worried about this particular matter, then just play stars. problem solved. those who choose to keep playing FTP are aware of the product they are getting and basically don't care about a certification.