Calling 3bets for set mining at mid-stakes - Page 2

yes but i don't want to be break even with sets, i want to actually win money with them.

On January 17 2008 12:36 ggplz wrote: yes but i don't want to be break even with sets, i want to actually win money with them.

Aren't we greedy?

its almost always -EV to call for set value especialy against a GOOD tag player that although might be tight still 3bets light. So really please everyone keep doing it to me because im making so much money off morons haha +_+

On January 17 2008 01:56 sniderstyle wrote: sthief09 from deucescracked had a good analysis of this situation If you know your opponent has AA KK QQ and wif you do flop a set, you will get the money in. There are three outcomes You flop a set and win: This will happen 9.8% of the time netting you +209$. EV = 209 *.098 = +20.482$ You flop a set + lose: This will happen 2.2% of the time netting you -193$ EV = -193 *.022 = -4.25$ You don't flop a set: This will happen 88% of the time netting you -19$ EV = -19 * .88 = -16.72$ Total EV: 20.482 - 4.25 - 16.72 = -.49$ So even if you know your opponent is going to stack off in the 3 bet pot, it is still minus EV to call with a small pp to set mine. And in todays games, you hae to have a REAL strong read for that.

wtf, did everyone miss this? end of thread.