On December 15 2011 11:21 Bigbobm wrote:
carl wasnt atheist sir
Carl wasn't a theist... that makes him an atheist, whether he understood that or not doesn't matter.
He denied being an atheist in the narrower sense, that is, that he was were there are no deities,
but that is just that, the narrower sense, in the broader sense, the most commonly used one and indeed the original one,
he was an atheist. + Show Spoiler +
An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid.
- Carl Sagan
But that isn't the definition of an atheist (that he knows there is/are no god/s)
None of the men in that photo are atheists in the narrower sense.
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waga   United Kingdom. Dec 15 2011 14:56. Posts 2375
On December 15 2011 11:21 Bigbobm wrote:
carl wasnt atheist sir
Carl wasn't a theist... that makes him an atheist, whether he understood that or not doesn't matter.
He denied being an atheist in the narrower sense, that is, that he was were there are no deities,
but that is just that, the narrower sense, in the broader sense, the most commonly used one and indeed the original one,
he was an atheist. + Show Spoiler +
An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid.
- Carl Sagan
But that isn't the definition of an atheist (that he knows there is/are no god/s)
None of the men in that photo are atheists in the narrower sense.
Could have let you go if you hadn't called me a noob.
'A-' means without, of that there is no doubt. Theism is a position. Atheism is not having that position.
Carl Sagan was not a theist => He was an atheist.
Gnosis meant knowledge, Carl Sagan did not claim to have the knowledge => He was an agnostic.
If you're telling me I'm not an atheist because I can't know for sure if there is/are a god/s
then there are no atheists because none of them can, and then you can't be a theist
because there is no way for you to be sure that there is/are a god/s.