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can you post a little bit more about your wizz stuff and build andrew plz ? im kinda stuck with mine at ACt II

On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds?

Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!!

And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub.

On June 19 2012 07:23 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds? Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!! And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub.

Uhm? You can solo just fine with barb.. You were complaining you couldn't use offensive builds and 2h weps (gimp-builds). If you want to DPS then play wiz or DH or something. It's stupid to nerf an already very easy game just so people like you can use these _gimp-builds_ on tanks.
If you still haven't finished inferno on softcore today, just spend 5mil on AH and use a good build and don't suck, and you're ready to go, no need to nerf it.

On June 19 2012 07:54 hording wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 07:23 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds? Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!! And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub. Uhm? You can solo just fine with barb.. You were complaining you couldn't use offensive builds and 2h weps (gimp-builds). If you want to DPS then play wiz or DH or something. It's stupid to nerf an already very easy game just so people like you can use these _gimp-builds_ on tanks. If you still haven't finished inferno on softcore today, just spend 5mil on AH and use a good build and don't suck, and you're ready to go, no need to nerf it.

they are only "gimp builds" because the game's balance has been awful and the professed design goals were not in any way shapeor form met when it comes to inferno mode

you're an idiot that doesn't understand a videogame is something designed by people; it isn't as if the BARBARIAN (not "Tank" is a product of natural forces and people like huhu are the same as people who wish they could use telekinesis to fly around in the sky irl

can't express how fucking retarded people like u are

On June 19 2012 08:35 2c0ntent wrote: people like huhu are the same as people who wish they could use telekinesis to fly around in the sky irl

didn't read rest of thread but this seems pretty accurate

LOL wtf context

FK big lols

Never said the game was balanced and it's pretty terrible like all recent blizzard games.
Only thing I'm saying is the solution is not to nerf inferno cus it's already way to easy so I can't see how people can be happy with that change. It's better if they balance the classes rather then nerfing the content then..

thing is that if the design goal is to have multiple build approaches be viable in inferno there is no choice but to perform said nerfing. you can't 'balance' the classes and maintain wide build diversity when you have so many mechanics that force you to use the same skills for a given class..

ie:
soul lashers (thinking of those things that shoot their tongue at you then 'teleport' to your position and melee you) are impossible to survive against because their damage delivery is broken, forcing every build of X character to use Y skill to not just instantly die (ie spirit vessel for witch doctor..)

the stinging swarms in a2 push your shit in

oppressors one shot you regularly from off screen

act 3 lurkers that shoot their tongue at you from off screen and one shot you

etc..

if their design goal was to make the game "as hard and unforgiving as possible if you don't choose the specific skills of your class that will give you a chance in hell, and even then fuck you (aka all of the things that one shot you in this game)", then whatever.. we wouldn't have the ground to complain about it. but that isn't what blizz promised us and we paid $60 for.



anyway I really hope this new patch is good and that somehow this game's economy works out decently for the legit player (ie not botting or str8 up exploiting t-goblin spawns), because then it will actually be interesting to write about on my website.. instead of the bullshit anyone who wants to write about the game is stuck with right now, aka "here is a list of the best exploit spots. [...] ok here is a link to a botting forum. also if ur lucky u can refresh the auction house enough to buy low sell high before the bots you are competing with there as well snap up the underpriced goods before u. ok well that was mind expanding, bye"

On June 19 2012 07:54 hording wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 07:23 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds? Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!! And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub. Uhm? You can solo just fine with barb.. You were complaining you couldn't use offensive builds and 2h weps (gimp-builds). If you want to DPS then play wiz or DH or something. It's stupid to nerf an already very easy game just so people like you can use these _gimp-builds_ on tanks. If you still haven't finished inferno on softcore today, just spend 5mil on AH and use a good build and don't suck, and you're ready to go, no need to nerf it.

LOL 5mil? Most of your post comes off like your clueless of this game. To give you an idea, I spent over 50mil in gears before progressing thru act 2. All of the gold I made was obtained from playing the market, not the game. Barbs simply can not progress thru act 2 unless they play the market or have friends that feed them items.

You seem to talk highly of hardcore but there is nothing special. In fact, it's pathetic. Only thing hardcore players do different is that they power lvl 5hours a day for back up character and farm goblins for another 5 hours.

On June 19 2012 06:38 FullBRing wrote: can you post a little bit more about your wizz stuff and build andrew plz ? im kinda stuck with mine at ACt II

I wouldn't be the best person to ask because I started off with godly gears on inferno. I'm doing a tanky/crit wizzy build with 500-600 all resis, 40k health and 90k dps.

I would recommend you to start stacking all resis. If you are on a budget, you don't have to look for well rounded individual gears. Get what you can afford and match ur slots so each one compensates for the other.

Also, get a cheap 2500+ life per kill weapon as a secondary so you can teleport - swap - hydra spam whenever your health gets low. With this, beliah 3rd phase becomes very easy with some micro.

http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/227302-patch-103-now-live/

patch notes

reasonable change to crowd control reduction in there
(before, 10% reduction meant it reduced the duration of a snare by 10%, but now it means that the snare still has 100% duration but snares your speed by 10% less)

they added enrage effects to a bunch of the bosses..

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I really hope these aren't the ONLY AH changes

patchnotes Auction House Item tooltips in the auction house will now correctly reflect stat bonuses provided by socketed gems Items with class-specific affixes should now display the class restriction properly It should no longer be possible for players to purchase a stack of items so large that it cannot be sent to their stash The data displayed in each auction house tab should now properly reset when logging out

some things that I hope are fixed:
-Not being able to search for certain affixes (ie it is impossible in any way to perform a search for "Increases Locust Swarm Damage"; it doesn't appear on the filter list even after having possessed an item with such an attribute)
-That 3rd one is relevant to me because I have purchased several 2000, upto 5000 unit stacks of gems, wonder whats gonna happen when i try to take them from my mailbox :D
-no mention of commodities in rmah......
-unable to search for 'attack speed' affix when you have 'boots' selected, etc.

On June 19 2012 09:09 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 07:54 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 07:23 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds? Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!! And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub. Uhm? You can solo just fine with barb.. You were complaining you couldn't use offensive builds and 2h weps (gimp-builds). If you want to DPS then play wiz or DH or something. It's stupid to nerf an already very easy game just so people like you can use these _gimp-builds_ on tanks. If you still haven't finished inferno on softcore today, just spend 5mil on AH and use a good build and don't suck, and you're ready to go, no need to nerf it. LOL 5mil? Most of your post comes off like your clueless of this game. To give you an idea, I spent over 50mil in gears before progressing thru act 2. All of the gold I made was obtained from playing the market, not the game. Barbs simply can not progress thru act 2 unless they play the market or have friends that feed them items. You seem to talk highly of hardcore but there is nothing special. In fact, it's pathetic. Only thing hardcore players do different is that they power lvl 5hours a day for back up character and farm goblins for another 5 hours.

wat, i think i spent about 2-3mill on gear when i beat inferno belial, i just upgraded my 750 dps blue 1 hander with 100 stam/100str and am halfway thru act 3 inferno.

LOL 5mil? Most of your post comes off like your clueless of this game. To give you an idea, I spent over 50mil in gears before progressing thru act 2. All of the gold I made was obtained from playing the market, not the game. Barbs simply can not progress thru act 2 unless they play the market or have friends that feed them items. You seem to talk highly of hardcore but there is nothing special. In fact, it's pathetic. Only thing hardcore players do different is that they power lvl 5hours a day for back up character and farm goblins for another 5 hours.

well... u forgot the other way, drop something. sold a bow for 10kk 2 weeks ago and camped the AH for 2 days, got 5 upgrades, went from hard mode on act2 to easy farm, act3 was still hard but doable. farmed atc3 for a while and got other upgrades, decided to kill diablo last week, got him on the second try. really hard time at izual tho...

only droped 2 of the items im using, everything else i got on cheap sales... 20mi was enough to be able to beat act3/4 and diablo, that was 2 weeks ago, now everything has crazy prices after the rmah went live... have 11mi on me and cant buy a single upgrade

Yea I completely exaggerated the price due to inflation. Maybe he did the same too. I couldn't find anything worth buying under 10mil for my wizard this week and it seemed the same for barb gears.

Maybe he proved his point since diablo3 isn't a single player game. AH is huge part of the game after all

3 weeks ago I was progressing in act III inferno and my DH gear isn't even worth 1mil total on the AH today, it's total crap. I can do siegebreaker runs easy(with tons of deaths ofc) and can clear most elites in act 4 aswell. I'm very suprised most of the LP people seem to like the nerf which is hilarious to me cus I assume most of you already killed diablo anyway.
When the game basically ends when you have killed diablo on inferno, it would make sense if it was pretty hard and took a month or two to finish. Nerfing it would just make it take even less time and imo make it more boring.
Ok, you probably can't buy full gear for 5mln, especially as barb (tank stuff seems more expensive), but I'm pretty sure you could finish it pretty easy as DH anyway since my crapgeared one isn't that far away, especially if I would group up with people, heard it was easier in groups. Obviously it was easier to find good stuff cheaper before RMAH aswell. TBH I don't know the market that well after RMAH was released.

Also about me praising hardcore, not really true, cus I'm not a huge diablo fan I wouldn't really praise anything. But I know that you can find plenty of stuff on SC AH for <100k that doesn't even exist on HC AH. And the fact that inferno wasn't killed until yesterday it kinda proves that it is more challenging, progressing and even farming is just way harder when you're not allowed to die.. but idc, might be wrong but it's still stupid to think that nerfing the difficulty is a good thing, it's WoW all over again (releasing an instance, nerfing it 1 week later, over and over)

i woundt say they nerfed inferno, from the patchs i think they just fixed stuff and even buffed some bosses... izual for example was broken for melees, for the first 10 tries, he got me from 100% to 0% in less then 5 seconds after my cds went off and he still had at least 60% hp.
to kill him i had to creat the most stupid barb build ever, lots of mov speed debufs, dmg debufs, hp regen, 5k dps cold dmg mercenary and run around a hole in the ground for 30min while hitting him for 30k with my hook... that wasnt fun at all. same char that can clean act3 and 4, cant tank a boss for 5 seconds? they just fixed it. like siegebreaker, too easy for ranged classes too hard for melees, had to kite him for cds. now he hits for less and has reflect damage.

they nerfed dh a lot this patch and in groups they were the ones making it so easy.

what you gotta remember is that most of the early progress came from the tyrael exploit, no way 4days chars could farm act3 and 4 without him.

On June 19 2012 10:33 nosoul wrote: i woundt say they nerfed inferno, from the patchs i think they just fixed stuff and even buffed some bosses... izual for example was broken for melees, for the first 10 tries, he got me from 100% to 0% in less then 5 seconds after my cds went off and he still had at least 60% hp. to kill him i had to creat the most stupid barb build ever, lots of mov speed debufs, dmg debufs, hp regen, 5k dps cold dmg mercenary and run around a hole in the ground for 30min while hitting him for 30k with my hook... that wasnt fun at all. same char that can clean act3 and 4, cant tank a boss for 5 seconds? they just fixed it. like siegebreaker, too easy for ranged classes too hard for melees, had to kite him for cds. now he hits for less and has reflect damage. they nerfed dh a lot this patch and in groups they were the ones making it so easy. what you gotta remember is that most of the early progress came from the tyrael exploit, no way 4days chars could farm act3 and 4 without him.

Seems like it was an improvement then, I have no idea what exactly got buffed/nerfed and I agree that some things needed nerfs aswell. What I read from blizzard though was that they were going to make act3 & 4 much easier to make it a more natural gap from act 1 or something like that, but yea hopefully it turns out good in the end.

And yeah tyrael + smoke screen abuse the first week kinda sucked cus it ruined the AH (people were able to buy the best stuff before they were supposed to), so unfortunately because of this the game became easier for everyone

On June 19 2012 07:23 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2012 05:35 hording wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:53 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On June 19 2012 04:43 Minion wrote:   On June 19 2012 03:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: So yeah, patch 1.03 will be live at 1PM PST. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5837135682 With the changes of getting ilvl63 items in Act 1 along with having Act 2-4 nerfed in terms of mob damage and hit points makes me want to start playing again. Last week or so I just come on to check on auctions and put new stuff up, etc. ppl were already one shooting elite packs on inferno D3 on softcore will be a huge joke now Yeah, that's if you were a Demon Hunter with 280K DPS. If you're a Barb you're either forced to go into purely defensive skills, abilities, and gear to even beat it. Shit like life on hit, attack speed, high block%, and sword and shield. Seems pretty fucking dumb to have an entire class be forced to do the same thing when Blizzard has preached about the "billions" of combinations of skills one can choose from. Look at any sword and board Barb and they will ALL have the EXACT skills and runes attached. It's pathetic. Or you need to have 200M gold worth of gear to go 2H Barb and melt everything and still have a high % of dying because you still cannot tank well and the goal is to kill them before they kill you, and what's so shitty about this build is that you HAVE to rely on two-minute cooldown spells to take down elite packs in Act 3 - 4 so you end up running around like a mud cunt until your CD's are up. Softcore has been a joke since day one, they killed diablo inferno within a few days so, don't say it's hard. You think they should nerf it just so you can use gimp-builds? Don't know why you're saying it's a joke since the people who killed Diablo Inferno in the first week corpse hopped all the way to Act 4 - skipping all elite packs - and had Monks tank Diablo when they could spam their invulnerability spell and rotate it? Yeah, exploitative tactics is the way I want to play games!!!!!! And I don't know what you mean by them "nerfing it" so I can use "gimp" builds. Gimp builds are shit builds so why would I use it if they nerf it? L2Engrish, scrub.

Maybe the day 3ers racing for world first did that, but many of us did it by day 5 100% legit and solo on DH or Wiz no corpse hoping needed. Not saying the classes are not imbalanced, but it's all shit that we knew since the day they released the skill trees and the stats for inferno were datamined.

Andrewsong: You seem to talk highly of hardcore but there is nothing special. In fact, it's pathetic. Only thing hardcore players do different is that they power lvl 5hours a day for back up character and farm goblins for another 5 hours.

Someone else finally gets it.

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reason I have a couple extra accounts all with DHs, give them ~2-3mil worth of gear and can easily farm anything in game for huge profits