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boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 09:00. Posts 354

I'm Bw player who dont enjoy the game lately and started to play poker " seriously " for few weeks. ( i posted the same blog on Team liquid btw but i guess i can get some advices here too ). Dont bully me for my noobish questions please :>.

So i will give you a few informations about me. Two years ago a friend showed me that you could play for fun online and even get some free-rolls, and interested by the game i started to play just for fun ( and really bad ) on everest. But i still prefered bw so i didnt really play a lot. Then this year i was at university with another friend who is badly addicted to poker ( the guy lost 5000 euros in his two first months of poker :O ).

During the year we did some retarded turbo sng with rebuy with other university friends. I won one ( i got really lucky ) and i came back to home with 60 euros

) and i put 10 $ on everest and started to play cash game ( at the lowest limits ). Obviously i lost my 10 $ quite fast. I wasnt really worried and i came back to bw who was my main passion during this period.

But few weeks ago i got really bored by bw and i really enjoyed watching my " degenerate " friend playing. He improved a lot after his two first months but he has still two major flaws for a poker player: he has no br management + he plays drunk ( and nearly always go broke when he does this ).
Moreover i was more and more interested by the mathematical aspects of poker ( i study a bit maths at university and even if overall i dislike it, i have always enjoyed probability problems with cards / dices ).

So when my friend went broke one more time he tried to use the Poker-strategy br and asked me to create an account because he would benefit of their "tell- a -friend" offer.

Hence i started to read stuff here and on liquid poker, and i tried to do the "small-stack" strategy on the lowest cash limits on Titan poker.
That was horrible, i never felt as bored of life. I was playing like a bot and after losing like 5$ i decided to stop cash game because i disliked it.

I remembered that Rekrul said that many people suck at poker because they play to win money and to gamble instead of enjoying the game and trying to get better.

So i tried hu sng 1$+0,20 and after few wins i started to run bad and probably to tilt. After losing 3 games in a row to a donk who liked coin flips ( this guy went allin pre flop with J 10 i called with AQ and i lost .. ) i felt that my nerves couldnt stand the high variance of hu so i stopped and tried the 1$+0,20 sng with 6 players.

It was a really good choice. I enjoy it more than hu, i can play on 2 or 3 table at the same time, and it seems that variance is way lower here.
Moreover i started to play really really good ( for my standarts lol )+ having some really good hands.
I'm playing really tight atm and it works. I read my opponents way better than before too. And i think that over my 20 last sng i only made 10 bad decisions.

This may look quite pretentious but i think now that i'm playing well ( on this kind of micro sng only lol )+ i enjoy playing a lot.
Nevertheless i'm not retarded and i know that with such a small sample i cant know if i really played well or if got lucky.

here is my sharkscope graph:

So my main question is: after how many sng will i know that i'm good enought for higher stakes ? ( i want to move to 5$+1 with 6 people ).

Should i put a bit of money to increase my br and to move up , or should i grind slowly to get more money before moving ?

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I worship variance but she is a bitch.

rogier Netherlands. Jul 10 2008 09:43. Posts 1528

just use 30 buyin bankroll management for 6player sngs. grinding slowly is fine as youre still learning, however if you feel you can grind higher stakes and profit better there i dont see any reason not to deposit extra (however, grindig it up is safer)

ps theres no reason whatsoever to blank out your name^_~

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 10:27. Posts 354

Thx rogier, i will try to grind as you said , i think i will read some stuff about micro stakes cash game and i might try it again when i will have a better br.

But i wonder what is the good sample size to know if you are good at a level ? 500 sng ?

Sng variance experts please tell me :O

ps: I blank out my name, because i can be terribly bm when someone beat me with a shitty hand and got lucky :<

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

eightfourO United States. Jul 10 2008 10:34. Posts 820

is your degen friend's name "neilly" ??

***edit***
i just read the rest of your blog... i dont know anything about sng, just play cash but 20-25 buy in's = move up time and it's never bad to go back down.

sry i can't help =/

I am a god damn Rootin Tootin Shootin Cowboy!!

Last edit: 10/07/2008 10:42

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 10:36. Posts 354

Nope.

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

Sheitan Canada. Jul 10 2008 11:02. Posts 4217

Run while you still can.

Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 11:16. Posts 354

On July 10 2008 10:02 Sheitan wrote:
Run while you still can.

That was exactly the kind of advice that i expected from vets. Clearly instructive thanks.

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

Last edit: 10/07/2008 11:17

Sheitan Canada. Jul 10 2008 12:04. Posts 4217

On July 10 2008 10:16 boblion wrote:

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On July 10 2008 10:02 Sheitan wrote:
Run while you still can.

That was exactly the kind of advice that i expected from vets. Clearly instructive thanks.

No need to thank me, my pleasure pal ! But on a more serious note, grind your br up to 200$ and switch to cash games, they are way more profitable.

Odds are exactly 50%, either happens or it doesnt

Last edit: 10/07/2008 12:06

SfydjkLm Belarus. Jul 10 2008 12:15. Posts 3810

On July 10 2008 11:04 Sheitan wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2008 10:16 boblion wrote:

On July 10 2008 10:02 Sheitan wrote:
Run while you still can.

That was exactly the kind of advice that i expected from vets. Clearly instructive thanks.

No need to thank me, my pleasure pal ! But on a more serious note, grind your br up to 200$ and switch to cash games, they are way more profitable.

I was actually thinking about it the other day. On one hand it is more profitable, on the other Sit-n-gos are much better poker, and when youll finally grind your bankroll to higher levels youll be much more prepared for high stakes then if you were playing the insane penny tables where anyone can call your aces-allin with 72o.

*wink wink*

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 12:21. Posts 354

On July 10 2008 11:04 Sheitan wrote:

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On July 10 2008 10:16 boblion wrote:

On July 10 2008 10:02 Sheitan wrote:
Run while you still can.

That was exactly the kind of advice that i expected from vets. Clearly instructive thanks.

No need to thank me, my pleasure pal ! But on a more serious note, grind your br up to 200$ and switch to cash games, they are way more profitable.

Ok i think i will grind like i said before. Then i will see if i can enjoy cash game or if i will stick to sng.
My main problem with cash game atm is that i have no fun while playing. Moreover i dont really like to play on more than 2 / 3 table and cash game is clearly designed for multi-tablers .

I will try to mass play and see how it works.

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

Last edit: 10/07/2008 12:23

killThemDonks Canada. Jul 10 2008 13:14. Posts 2681

On July 10 2008 11:15 SfydjkLm wrote:

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On July 10 2008 11:04 Sheitan wrote:

On July 10 2008 10:16 boblion wrote:

On July 10 2008 10:02 Sheitan wrote:
Run while you still can.

That was exactly the kind of advice that i expected from vets. Clearly instructive thanks.

No need to thank me, my pleasure pal ! But on a more serious note, grind your br up to 200$ and switch to cash games, they are way more profitable.

I was actually thinking about it the other day. On one hand it is more profitable, on the other Sit-n-gos are much better poker, and when youll finally grind your bankroll to higher levels youll be much more prepared for high stakes then if you were playing the insane penny tables where anyone can call your aces-allin with 72o.

how are sng's much better poker?

tloapc Pitcairn. Jul 10 2008 13:16. Posts 2591

it's not

run while u still can!

The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 13:30. Posts 354

Seriously dont be retarded, Sheitan already made the joke, you are not even funny. Some sng players are really skilled ... ( i dont mean that i'm lol ).

Maybe you should look the results of the best micro-sng players at sharkscope .

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

killThemDonks Canada. Jul 10 2008 13:38. Posts 2681

lol donkaments

tloapc Pitcairn. Jul 10 2008 13:41. Posts 2591

I wasn't joking
but u obv know all this already as u know I'm retarded

hf gl ggs

The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.

tloapc Pitcairn. Jul 10 2008 13:42. Posts 2591

wait no, just remember to come back and read this thread in 1 year or two if ur still around

ok now I'm done

The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 13:43. Posts 354

On July 10 2008 12:38 killThemDonks wrote:
lol donkaments

Like if there are no donks in cash games....

In fact i love donks in micro sng because i can double my stack quite fast if i'm tight .

The 20% rake is way more a problem imo.

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

Last edit: 10/07/2008 13:43

boblion Andorra. Jul 10 2008 13:49. Posts 354

Those guys are just lucky ?

I'm not saying that sng players are more skilled than cash players or that sng are more profitable than cash game, but i really think that:

1- you can be profitable at sng ( especially if you play vs horrible players )
2- there are some skill involved.

Nevertheless nobody has answered my " sample size " question.

I worship variance but she is a bitch.

Last edit: 10/07/2008 13:52

killThemDonks Canada. Jul 10 2008 13:50. Posts 2681

On July 10 2008 12:43 boblion wrote:

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On July 10 2008 12:38 killThemDonks wrote:
lol donkaments

Like if there are no donks in cash games....

In fact i love donks in micro sng because i can double my stack quite fast if i'm tight .

The 20% rake is way more a problem imo.

...donks are good...

so you play mtt's?

killThemDonks Canada. Jul 10 2008 13:52. Posts 2681

On July 10 2008 12:49 boblion wrote:
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Those guys are just lucky ?

luck needed to succeed in sng's > luck needed to succeed in cash games
...imo

Last edit: 10/07/2008 13:53

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