Disgusting Video, seriously

i hate china : /

On August 02 2008 17:51 Moffa wrote: i hate china : /

Yeah there are a lot of reasons to feel that way, hehe. I more hate china's government though this vid doesn't make some of the people too popular with me either =

*waits to see china, chinese government, or chinese people bashing posts*

On August 02 2008 17:53 k2o4 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2008 17:51 Moffa wrote: i hate china : / Yeah there are a lot of reasons to feel that way, hehe. I more hate china's government though this vid doesn't make some of the people too popular with me either =

LOL so it is true, all of my previous statements implying that you actually hate china more than the acts depicted in this vid. Using this vid to push 'hate china'. GJ bigot. Yes I think you are a bigot k2o4. And no, I am not chinese or even asian.

i guess human lives aren't worth more than some pets if you are looking at this instead of their human rights issues

On August 02 2008 19:10 domyouji wrote: i guess human lives aren't worth more than some pets if you are looking at this instead of their human rights issues

Did I ever say I didn't pay attention to their human rights issues? I know about em and work against them too.

What is it idiot hour?

On August 02 2008 18:25 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2008 17:53 k2o4 wrote:   On August 02 2008 17:51 Moffa wrote: i hate china : / Yeah there are a lot of reasons to feel that way, hehe. I more hate china's government though this vid doesn't make some of the people too popular with me either = LOL so it is true, all of my previous statements implying that you actually hate china more than the acts depicted in this vid. Using this vid to push 'hate china'. GJ bigot. Yes I think you are a bigot k2o4. And no, I am not chinese or even asian.

I'm not a fan of china trying to hack the pentagon, sending us toys with lead, and their horrible human rights violations. Now I found this and I ain't a fan of how they treat cats and dogs.

Am I running a huge anti-china hate campaign? No. I dunno where you get this shit from. And before you were bitching cause you thought it was no big deal to kill animals, even though you hadn't watched the video to see the conditions that the deaths occurred, which is where the argument lies.

I have to go but I'll write more later =)

I'm not a fan of china trying to hack the pentagon, sending us toys with lead, and their horrible human rights violations.

Do I have to list off every single person/country that has tried to hack the pentagon or all the horrible human rights violations going on in every single country within this world? Their toys have lead in them because of manufacturers trying to keep costs low for us consumers, are selfish and ignorant.

Now I found this and I ain't a fan of how they treat cats and dogs.

Me either, I never said I was pro or against killing cats or dogs. I said that cats and dogs are animals. People all over the world treat animals, not just your favorite cat and dog, inhumanly.

Am I running a huge anti-china hate campaign?

YES

I dunno where you get this shit from.

I got it from your blog, all your directed comments not towards the problem itself but at china.

This enlightens you all to my point of view:

On August 02 2008 17:51 Moffa wrote: i hate china : /

k2o4 wrote:Yeah there are a lot of reasons to feel that way, hehe.

From the beginning OP, to every reply and comment you've given/received from readers have been biased towards an outrage specifically against china's animal abuse problems. Why not talk about some more countries and animal abuse concepts going on in say animal farming IF the point of this OP was against animal abuse.

And before you were bitching cause you thought it was no big deal to kill animals, even though you hadn't watched the video to see the conditions that the deaths occurred, which is where the argument lies.

This is my response:

On July 31 2008 14:22 Highcard wrote: I didn't even bother watching the video and that isn't out of ignorance, if you don't like china and their cat/dog skinning then you had better start petitions against all the fur coats, fur lined mittens, hats, boots, farming industries for your chicken, steaks, bacon, etc. etc. going on across the world because otherwise you are ignorant and hypocrites

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So wtf are you doing commenting about it when you haven't seen it? You just want to look like a moron?

Any intelligent person reading my comments will see I am not a moron

And I didn't add the petition link here cause I was going quickly at work to get it up (and I'm going quickly right now too so I won't now, but later tonight/tomorrow I will with a bump). I do speak out against it and I don't buy fur.

This is what I've been talking about the entire time, if you are against the actions, SAY it in the OP, not how much you hate what they do specifically in china. If you are trying to get the message across that animal abuse is wrong you have failed miserably by being very biased and specifically prejudicing a single country when this occurs in EVERY county. My problem with your post isn't that I want to see cats and dogs skinned alive, it is I think YOU have created a very prejudicing post against china.

Next time try watching the video before you try an argue against it.

If you still think this whole argument is about what is going on in this video than I have no more reason to talk to you about the true nature of the argument.

My argument was never against CHINA.

It was that this was wrong to do. When someone else mentioned hatred for china I agreed that there were reasons to feel that way, and I listed em out here once you started harping on it.

I didn't post this to say "FUCK CHINA" - was that the title? I posted this cause it's a disgusting video of horrible shit being done that just ain't cool. It ain't cool to do it in China or India or Malaysia or the USA or Canada or anywhere. It's not like I went through a long library of videos and said "well I want to pick the one that takes place in China cause I hate china and this will make them look bad!" Someone forwarded this to me and I just quickly posted up the video. I added the line saying "This shows some disgusting shit about what they do to cats and dogs in China." so that there was something to give people an idea of wtf the video was about. I don't think adding china in there was bad or good, and I'm fine with it being in or out, which is why in the bump I removed it since it seemed to twist your panties into a bunch.

So if your big hissy fit is cause you think I'm saying that this is only bad when it's done in china, then chill out bro, cause that's not my view at all. It's wrong no matter who does it or where it's done. That's my view.

What you ORIGINALLY said is what made me call you a sick bastard:

have you seen a cow or deer or rabbit or any other animal killed and gutted? cats and dogs are animals idk why it is so hard for some people to realize this.

Your argument seemed to be that it's no big deal if cats/dogs are killed in china cause they're animals. But as you later point out, YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE VIDEO (and probably still haven't) and therefore didn't realize that what was so disgusting and atrocious was skinning the animals alive. That's what my argument with you was. To me you're on some weird crazy China tangent.

It seems like one second you're defending china, the next you're saying that the problem is that since I mention china it means that the entire argument of this shit being wrong goes away. I don't really get where you're coming from.

You see, the problem that I have had with this entire thing was not the video but the way everything was presented. Maybe I am overly critical but as evidenced by what little reader comment base there is, the general consensus would be "this happens in china: animal abuse of our lovely cats and dogs. It is sick, twisted and makes me angry--china is bad (K2o4 hates china)". Now it has taken me way too much of my time to finally get your true opinions on what is the real point of this blog post, which is: Animal abuse is wrong. I hope you realize that your reasoning/excuses for why it wasn't/still isn't in the OP should be updated otherwise, I, like many other none moronic people will unfortunately label you as a bigot. Who wants to be labeled as that? Not many people.

meh~~ sure its all wrong what happens, it's not "china" its more like north/eastern china aka the extremely poor region, where they're trying to cut costs on animal transport/selling fresh meat
if you know anything about the situation of poverty there youd understand slightly but meh, guess i cannot expect that from someone that just watched a video he got linked to and uploaded on his blog trying to make a statement

I just hate it because I have two dogs. I'm not feeling too well this weekend they cheered me up a lot. Oh well.

WTF WAS THAT!

Will there be someone to pat me on the back after I sign this or will I just have to do it myself? I find the arrogance exhibited by the petition to be worse than the skinning of live animals. Where do you get this moral authority to condemn these actions? Not everyone shares your viewpoint on animal rights. And I love how these dirt poor, Chinese peasants are essentially dismissed from the equation. Don't they get a voice? It's their livelihood after all.

Do I have to list off every single person/country that has tried to hack the pentagon or all the horrible human rights violations going on in every single country within this world? Their toys have lead in them because of manufacturers trying to keep costs low for us consumers, are selfish and ignorant.

Your argument makes no sense. You're acting as if I ONLY dislike when china does shit, but am ok with others doing it. That's not the case at all. I'm not a fan of genecide in rawanda, starvation by the govt in North Korea, genecide in Dar fur and so on. But right now you're asking why I don't like China and I'm telling you.

Also, I saw something on the news that gave me the impression that China was the #1 group/country trying to hack the pentagon. That could be wrong and I haven't researched it to prove it, but I have seen several news reports in the last few months about China trying to hack the Pentagon and that's why I mentioned it. I'm sure that lot's of people try to do it, but they don't all make the news.

Yes it's a fucked up system where China makes super cheap shit, like baby cribs which collapse on the fucking baby, and we're not doing a good enough job keeping the shit out. It's fucked cause in the USA it's really hard to buy shit that isn't made in China, and whenever I can get something that isn't I definitely go with the one made somewhere else.

Me either, I never said I was pro or against killing cats or dogs. I said that cats and dogs are animals. People all over the world treat animals, not just your favorite cat and dog, inhumanly.

You tried to downplay it without watching the video. We're not talking about killing cats and dogs. We're talking about skinning them alive. This is why I keep bitching at you to watch the video. And again you use this fucked up argument saying that since I haven't complained about EVERY person in the world doing fucked up shit, then therefore I am just hating on china and this video is discredited and I'm stupid. I never said that China was the only place treating animals horribly. Last I checked in the USA we still treat chickens like shit, which is why I spend the extra money to buy cage free.

Show nested quote + Am I running a huge anti-china hate campaign? YES

Wow, because I AGREED with someone who said he hated china after watching this? Or because I mentioned the LOCATION of the video in my original post? China wasn't even MENTIONED in the bump and someone else brought it up, not me. Your case is thin as hell man = And while YES, I am not a fan of the chinese government and now not a fan of any chinese people who do what I saw in this video, that's the extent of it. I don't hate ALL of china. I also didn't post this video specifically cause it was SET IN CHINA. I posted it cause it was some fucked up shit happening to animals which isn't cool ANYWHERE. You just took it and turned it into some crazy Anti-China campaign.

This is what I've been talking about the entire time, if you are against the actions, SAY it in the OP, not how much you hate what they do specifically in china. If you are trying to get the message across that animal abuse is wrong you have failed miserably by being very biased and specifically prejudicing a single country when this occurs in EVERY county. My problem with your post isn't that I want to see cats and dogs skinned alive, it is I think YOU have created a very prejudicing post against china.

Again, there was no intent to prejudice against China - you read WAYYYYY too deeply into that. Like I said, when I originally posted I was rushing and threw in a quick line to give people info about what was in the video. I said china cause I'd just watched it and it was set in China, so that came to mind. I see that it's possible to take it the wrong way like you did, so when I bumped it I left china out of the OP. I get your argument, but I feel like you have no reason to start it.

On August 02 2008 21:36 masterfrywad wrote: Will there be someone to pat me on the back after I sign this or will I just have to do it myself? I find the arrogance exhibited by the petition to be worse than the skinning of live animals. Where do you get this moral authority to condemn these actions? Not everyone shares your viewpoint on animal rights. And I love how these dirt poor, Chinese peasants are essentially dismissed from the equation. Don't they get a voice? It's their livelihood after all.

I swear this thread is bringing out the worst in people.

I don't care HOW DIRT POOR you are, skinning animals alive ain't cool.

Also, they could make the extra effort to find a quick way to kill the animals. You know, a little respect for life. If you gotta kill it, why be a fucking sadistic bastard? Can't you learn the quickest and least painful way to kill it and use that?

Those are the arguments. I don't care how poor you are, these are things you can do. Native American's were much more respectful of the animals they killed hundreds of years ago. It's not that hard to do to, well, ya know, have some compassion.

On August 02 2008 20:18 Highcard wrote: You see, the problem that I have had with this entire thing was not the video but the way everything was presented. Maybe I am overly critical but as evidenced by what little reader comment base there is, the general consensus would be "this happens in china: animal abuse of our lovely cats and dogs. It is sick, twisted and makes me angry--china is bad (K2o4 hates china)". Now it has taken me way too much of my time to finally get your true opinions on what is the real point of this blog post, which is: Animal abuse is wrong. I hope you realize that your reasoning/excuses for why it wasn't/still isn't in the OP should be updated otherwise, I, like many other none moronic people will unfortunately label you as a bigot. Who wants to be labeled as that? Not many people.

Ok. I can see being upset about that, but at the same time I think that you read way too far into it. You also didn't mention china at all in your original reply to the thread, and it seemed like when you were called out on the thread you just created this china straw man to fight me with, which was annoying as hell.

I figured I'd post the video and let people form their own opinions. My prediction for the conclusion people would have is "that is fucked up and wrong, don't do that to animals". I see your point that putting something in there going "this happens all over the world, not just china" might have helped some people to avoid your view of how the thought process would go. Fine, I'll concede that, but at the same time I feel like people should be able to think for themselves. I would assume that after seeing this it would open a persons eyes to the fact that some seriously shitty things are happening to animals out there which ain't cool.

Btw, your initial posts made you look very moronic, but your later posts showed that you aren't an idiot. So I'm sorry for assuming the worst of you right away.

lol chinese as a people are awesome. china as a nation is fucking rabid. you may think that poor economic condition of their citizens justifies a willingness to cut corners in order to do this or that, but at the heart of this whole push china's doing to return to its former prestige (and that is the heart of a lot of shit that's going on) there's a lot of seriously reprehensible shit that's happening. i'm in china, and i can see it first hand.

everyone who is posting in this thread: zhen de? sick bad reasoning skills in a lot of these replies. it's like you guys suppose that you're entitled to your opinion, and people who agree with you are also entitled to their opinions, but should anyone who holds an opinion that opposes your opinion, fuck them.

it doesn't matter if k2o4 doesn't share other people's view on animal rights. he can still condemn what he sees as a violation of animal rights. he doesn't need your fucking consent to condemn what he believes to immorality. imagine the consequences of being unable to condemn other people's actions simply because that other person doesn't agree with you. it would be impossible to say that anything was immoral or to do anything about it.

it's also is a primitive, stupid logical error to say that it's ok for china to engage in animal's rights violations, human rights violations, pollution, international espionage, etc. etc. simply because other countries do it.

so pretty much fuck off with your ad homimens, and moral relativism because it doesn't amount to much more than ignorance and arrogance. holding these pitifully flawed ethical viewpoints betrays either a sick lack of seriousness about a topic as important as what's right and wrong; or otherwise sick idiocy.

sick life.

totally on-topic, i'd love to hear how you all justify animal rights violations. i expect some ridiculously feeble replies. i'll lead off "they're not humans! they don't get the same rights!" "why?" "because they're not humans they don't get the same rights!"

On August 03 2008 00:20 failsafe wrote: totally on-topic, i'd love to hear how you all justify animal rights violations. i expect some ridiculously feeble replies. i'll lead off "they're not humans! they don't get the same rights!" "why?" "because they're not humans they don't get the same rights!"

since you're such a big fan of logic, first prove that animals have rights then we'll discuss violations of those rights

k2o4 - if your issue is the unnecessary suffering of dogs/cats that are being skin then why sign such a retarded petition? Do you agree with all that's contain in that petitions message? Do you actually think an internet petition is going to influence the chinese government to do anything?

From the 1st comment to the last, they have all been attempts at taking this from a centralized post into a more general discussion about animals and abuse. Either way, topics like this can be dissected and broke into so many parts that it would be exhausting to talk about in a thread in detail. I'm surprised that anyone would concede or apologize in a thread here, I wasn't looking for that however I accept.

As for this failsage guy, why are you taking something that has already gone from simplistic comments to a discussion followed by a conclusion and creating massive tangents? I don't plan to go any further with this but perhaps someone else will entertain you. I'm not looking to fight egos and since I can tell you've misinterpreted the discussion I had with k2o4 it is obvious that my efforts would be futile

prove that animals have rights? impossible.

highcard despite your insistence to the contrary, you're an idiot.

i guess that would have been the appropriate way to introduce myself into the thread

actually masterfrywad you're an idiot too.

On August 03 2008 03:31 failsafe wrote: actually masterfrywad you're an idiot too.

lol jeff, <3

The weird argument people were making that bugged me is "Other countries than China also do the same thing. You didn't make any reference to those other countries in your post. Therefore your argument is disqualified and you're just trying to ruin china's reputation and you're a hypocrite."

To me it's just common decency that when you kill an animal you do it in a way that's as quick and painless as possible. And when you skin an animal, you make sure it's dead first. That's the point I'm trying to make.

On August 02 2008 20:52 rogier wrote: meh~~ sure its all wrong what happens, it's not "china" its more like north/eastern china aka the extremely poor region, where they're trying to cut costs on animal transport/selling fresh meat if you know anything about the situation of poverty there youd understand slightly but meh, guess i cannot expect that from someone that just watched a video he got linked to and uploaded on his blog trying to make a statement

I missed this one but I just wanna say that this thread is full of false assumptions used to attack me. I know plenty about the poverty over there, and I've seen that type of poverty first hand. I've lived in Nepal and India and worked with people who live on much less than $1 a day.

Again, you talk about selling meat. That's not the point of the video. It's the methods of killing the animals and the fact that they skin them alive.

You make the false assumption that I just watched a video and have no clue about poverty and then dismiss me, when you have no proof to back that up, it's just a guess.

my god, failsafe do you lack comprehension skills? Have you even read my posts? Did I say that animals have no rights? Am I pro skinning animals alive? Was I the one to first attack anyone in this ridiculous thread? Nice work troll, go fuck yourself.