Elky breaks the rules - Page 2

im not upset he was reported or punished accordingly. he made a mistake. he didnt know, the second someone said something to him he SNAP APOLOGIZED obviously having no idea what he did was against the TOS of pokerstars

but to go as far as calling it colluding, which is putting elky on the level of RNBALLSACK FAGGOT COCKSUCKER COLLUDER is just atrocious

this has nothing to do with "sucking elkys dick". i fucking know elky, a lot of people here do. we all know how honest he is and how nice he is and he would never knowingly do something like this.

but u then coming here and trying to ruin his more than good name is fucking pathetic u faggot pos. what he did ISNT COLLUDING, fuck that. colluding is what RNBALLSACK DOES

Wobbly,

Did you feel like elky gained an edge by flipping while you were at the table?

You didn't like the fact two people were going allin blind and you could look at your hand before deciding whether to call (btw what was the best hand you folded to their flips!)?




Anyway actually asking for flips has been banned from stars for a good while, and is technically considered colluding. AFAIK almost all decent tournament players feel this is really retarded, but its stars rules so not too much anyone can do about it.

Oh, and after the first time it got banned, someone on P5s came up with the idea to just say 'i like cake' in chat which means lets flips.

Apestyles got banned for a week shortly after, just for declaring his love for puddings in the 100r

i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

there is nothing you gain by doing this to Elky whereas he can LOSE a lot. i seriously can't understand--why would you do that? the first thing i would do is warn him to stop, tell him against the rules, and warn him repercussions are very serious. you and i both know he meant no harm in what he did, and that he was simply trying to have a good time....

edited for grammar --;

On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

Because its a somewhat special circumstance due to it being a rebuy period, and they clearly making -ev plays, AND letting the entire table make very +ev plays, thus its somewhat silly to make it out to be as bad as what collusion generally is

i think your attitude about this is the problem wobbly.. i agree what he did is not right but posting it here almost as a brag and saying "a cheater is a cheater" is a bit over the edge about elky...

that being said, i don't think it is incorrect at all for someone in that table to report him in such a high $ tourney... cause even though as a rebuy tourney its implicit that high stakes players are gonna get it in super light, there is a difference between literally knowing that any 2 will go in pf or not every hand

but the complaint ends up being more like "whine, i dont have the money like these guys do to toss around and get sick amount of chips, even though they are giving me the best possible chance to win chips easy," obviously an unfair advantage to the rich

On September 21 2008 00:17 n0rthf4ce wrote: there is nothing you gain by doing this to Elky whereas he can LOSE a lot. i seriously can't understand--why would you do that? the first thing i would do is warn him to stop, tell him against the rules, and warn him repercussions are very serious. you and i both know he meant no harm in what he did, and that he was simply trying to have a good time.... edited for grammar --;

i did tell him what he was doing was collusion.

your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period.

He unintentionally did hurt the people not on a table with people flipping.

I dont even know why you guys are backing elky, yes he is a good friend yes ok he is honest yadda yadda yadda. hell i was his fan back when he played war3 and a fan of his poker. But what he did was against the rules and is a clear case of colluding, im just glad stars reacted correctly.

way to commit social suicide on this site

On September 21 2008 00:23 CamilaPunt wrote: i think your attitude about this is the problem wobbly.. i agree what he did is not right but posting it here almost as a brag and saying "a cheater is a cheater" is a bit over the edge about elky... that being said, i don't think it is incorrect at all for someone in that table to report him in such a high $ tourney... cause even though as a rebuy tourney its implicit that high stakes players are gonna get it in super light, there is a difference between literally knowing that any 2 will go in pf or not every hand

ok.. lets pretend its not elky.

Lets pretend its RandomJoe918 on stars, i would still make the post because im glad stars care about people reporting collusion.

On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

I dont entrirely understand did they decide to flip pf? Cos if so, doesnt that actually improve every1 elses chances?

so by your jackass ideals, this is also considered colluding?

its a $2 tournament, obv i care about $2 as much as elky cares about $100, the first hand i see the sb has my favorite football team as his avatar and i dont really wanna play the tournament, so i say "$2 flip?" lets go ai pf, so he minraises and i ship shove just as i said i was going to.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/531136

now i lost the flip, and the tournament, yet im a colluder cuz i wanted to gambool for a stack in a tournament that doesn't mean anything to me?

a gambool is a gambool and well, idk if u realize this but gambling is what we do for a living, some of us more than others, but in the end this game is a gamble.


your so retarded wobbly.
get a life.

go join 2p2 and leave lp 4 good plz

Wobbly - for me personally i wouldn't report anyone who did this, because imo its a stupid rule and you should be allowed to flip. However its obvious Elky just wasn't aware he couldn't verbally agree to flip in chat, because had he known this he obviously wouldn't have attempted it in some hugeass wcoop rebuy where he will have a ton of railbirds, and asshats like you reporting him.

Thats probably why most people woudn't have reported him/cared.

And i'm fairly sure two players better than you going allin blind superdeep in a rebuy period is waaaay more +Ev for you than trying to actually play real poker.

Neilly - by stars definition agreeing to flip in rebuys is collusion. Thats what wobbly meant, i don't think he was actually saying elky is some awful cheat or anything

On September 21 2008 00:26 spets1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets. I dont entrirely understand did they decide to flip pf? Cos if so, doesnt that actually improve every1 elses chances?

yes it does. some ppl cannot understand this advanced 5th grade concept. they decide to diminish their likelihood of winning money when ppl go allin regardless of their holdings.

if all you care about is stars acting accordingly, why post this? we all know stars acts accordingly, post this on microsoft word and make it your background so you can read it everyday when u get on your computer. dont post it here and tell us about how you did the online community a service.

I changed the title, its misleading.

While Elky did infact break the rules, he openly talked about it, every body in the table knew about it so its not colluding like if he were having a secret discussion in Messenger about how to destroy the table.

Actually since he told that openly he decreased his edge on the table, calling him a cheater isnt right

On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period.

ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it.

On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it.

well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what he did was wrong.

On September 21 2008 00:33 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote:   On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it. well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what I did was wrong.

fyp

btw this reminds me of an old ass BW interview where the guys in [gg] and other top pros were trying to classify for KBK but it was like impossible because the koreans were dumping games to each other thus gaining sick unfair points... thus GG adpoted this style and started dumping amongst themselves to classify too and when asked if all players in gg/top players did this, the guy (i dont remember who) said "no, elky is doing it legit"

10$ to whoever finds interview link , pm me