Elky breaks the rules - Page 7

On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: i am in agreeance with what u are saying.. u misunderstood me

lets look at some rough math. if they are indeed allin every hand then everyone else at the table should be going allin also w/ 55+, A9o+, KJo+ as a pretty acceptable range. If this is the case more likely than not someone will be allin with them with a dominating edge every time, so how can it not be -EV for either of them?

On September 21 2008 03:12 Baal wrote: Baal said: would you call the cops if you see a friend of yours smoking weed? Wobbly says: yea woudlnt call cops Wobbly says: prob tell his/her parents Baal says: oh god ------- just wow.

wow what a squirrel

On September 21 2008 03:17 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area. i select a. i posted this knowing EXACTLY how LP would react, but i mean a stars pro being banned/punished for colluding is fairly good news so i thought i'd still share.

You're an online poker player and you play at pokerstars and you think that this is 'fairly good news' ???

..........

no seriously

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On September 21 2008 02:53 SakiSaki wrote: gj backstabbing someone who is a personal hero to like 95% of this community. lp suicide much?

^pretty much sums it up.

Well, Elky cashed in for ~10k in the event.
Way to be a jealous douchebag, seriously. And I have completely no idea what the fuck u wanted to achieve by making a topic and informing people u reported him. Making u a 'righteous hero of the community', since u report every cheater? lol.

Btw, thinking this is +EV for him ( if it was openly admited on chat on the table ) is just LOL^2. Fuck me, I would be happier then anyone in the tournament if I would have 2 ppl shoving every hand on the table.

On September 21 2008 03:18 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: i am in agreeance with what u are saying.. u misunderstood me lets look at some rough math. if they are indeed allin every hand then everyone else at the table should be going allin also w/ 55+, A9o+, KJo+ as a pretty acceptable range. If this is the case more likely than not someone will be allin with them with a dominating edge every time, so how can it not be -EV for either of them?

they werent all in every hand, when people limped/raised/shoved to them preflop they would fold, and they were 1 position apart so they were prob all in like 50% of hands and shover always shoved late position. And the thing is they are garunteed to be called by a random hand instead of the hands u listed in your range. gambling like this will be slightly -ev but will give u such a HUGE stack that u increase your chance to make FT etcetc.


a analogy babs said in msn to me was that.

imagine there is a fish 1500bb deep (what brainwish was at the first break) on a 6max cash table, when the fish folds i could shove everyhand and u can call every hand to boost out stacks so we are get super deep with the fish and potentially stack him. but obviously this situation will probably never happen, but surely u see the comparison as the pay structure of tournaments favour the top finishers. so by doing this elky and the other guy has a much bigger chance of making the big cashes.

The first thought I had was OMG YOU RAT!, but it kinda seems wobbly did think he was getting cheated and Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here that he wasnt just doing this out of spite to elky. But wobbly you could just tell him in chat instead of overreacting like that and getting him into trouble for such a thing.

Dude elky was a memeber of this site long before almost all of us.. he helped build it into what it is today. You learned poker from this site (and possibly others).. And you just decided to be a HUGE douche bag to him for no reason.
Then start a post to brag about it? HES ON YOUR TEAM!!!! WTF HOW DUMB CAN U B?

ima go ahead and quote my self from a long time ago

On November 04 2007 23:52 milkman wrote: r u fucking kidding me? get the fuck outa here with this shit... do some shit when im this mad IRL and ill rip ur fuckin head off. thats a promise.

HOLD 1 TIME!!! dont dodge me in pca!

On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: they werent all in every hand, when people limped/raised/shoved to them preflop they would fold, and they were 1 position apart so they were prob all in like 50% of hands and shover always shoved late position. And the thing is they are garunteed to be called by a random hand instead of the hands u listed in your range. gambling like this will be slightly -ev but will give u such a HUGE stack that u increase your chance to make FT etcetc.

Why would they give this player action in this manner? He didnt agree to flip prior to to the hand being dealt.

If he limp/called allin then wp by him and if he shoved KJ or something expecting to get called then thats a bad play by him.

On September 21 2008 03:33 EvilSky wrote: The first thought I had was OMG YOU RAT!, but it kinda seems wobbly did think he was getting cheated and Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here that he wasnt just doing this out of spite to elky. But wobbly you could just tell him in chat instead of overreacting like that and getting him into trouble for such a thing.

of course he thought he was getting cheated

thats retarded.

wow go kill urself

On September 21 2008 03:12 Baal wrote: Baal said: would you call the cops if you see a friend of yours smoking weed? Wobbly says: yea woudlnt call cops Wobbly says: prob tell his/her parents Baal says: oh god ------- just wow.

ROFL, dude you are a fucking pathetic geek

On September 21 2008 03:17 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area. i select a. i posted this knowing EXACTLY how LP would react, but i mean a stars pro being banned/punished for colluding is fairly good news so i thought i'd still share.

Wobbly, call this collusion again and i will ban you

On September 21 2008 03:37 milkman wrote: Dude elky was a memeber of this site long before almost all of us.. he helped build it into what it is today. You learned poker from this site (and possibly others).. And you just decided to be a HUGE douche bag to him for no reason. Then start a post to brag about it? HES ON YOUR TEAM!!!! WTF HOW DUMB CAN U B? ima go ahead and quote my self from a long time ago Show nested quote + On November 04 2007 23:52 milkman wrote: r u fucking kidding me? get the fuck outa here with this shit... do some shit when im this mad IRL and ill rip ur fuckin head off. thats a promise. HOLD 1 TIME!!! dont dodge me in pca!

lol physical threats, way to overreact yo

if you knew exactly how LP.net would react, then respect for not giving a shit and standing to your action and reasoning behind it and trying to argue rationally.

Still it's wrong, that drug analogy of baal and mine pointed it out well: if your friend does drugs, you don't report him, do you? Doesn't even have to be a friend, i would report a complete stranger neither.

The difference here is you thought that the action would affect you personally since you thought going all-in every hand would be +EV for Elky and -EV for you, so that's a reason to do it, but your assumption was wrong, so there is a hole in your argumentation.

[x]Oly
[x]wobbly_au



not a very good sign for the lp community imo

what happend to oly?

Sigh...

that brainwash guy is to blame

I admire Elky a lot. I really do.

That being said, the rule is not meaningless, its true that if one player goes all in every hand its EV- for him to do so, but if he persuades the whole table to go all in every hand, it becomes EV+ for the whole table, if they are above average players. So the rule MUST stay and Elky's account should be suspended for a week like its normal. It is not to "punish" Elky. It is to prevent people from engaging in this behaviour.

Obviously, no sane person, including the PS staff thinks badly of Elky for what he did, but I'd think a lot of people will hate Wobbly and not without good reason.

Btw, I don't have a problem with Wobbly, as I think he does believe he is correct. But Wobbly, seriously, you need to reconsider your mindset about rules. Rules are for the good of everyone, but they occasionally should be broken for the good of everyone. Actually in Elky's case they shouldn't be broken. But c'mon - weed is harmless and maybe even beneficial to human health (srsly) and cigarettes are legal? How can you report your friend for smoking weed? Some laws are just bad.