Elky breaks the rules

So Elky and brainwash were flipping on my table after verbally agreeing in the 530$ rebuy yesturday. I do not condone collusion in any form and am glad stars took my complaint seriously.

props to stars for providing a fair site to play on.


Hello XXX,

Thank you for your email. As you are no doubt aware, agreeing in chat to go all-in blind(flipping) in our rebuy events is in violation of our tournament rules. Such agreements violate tournament rule # 9 which states in part... "Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to help another player is unethical and is prohibited." This is further reinforced in one of the examples on the prohibited tournament chat examples web page. http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/prohibited-tournament-chat/ Example #3 states in part... "Poker is an individual game, not a team sport. Players may not act as a group in any way, nor may a player even suggest or mention such an idea.". 'ElkY' has built up a wealth of tournament experience in both online and brick and mortar card rooms. As such PokerStars considers that 'ElkY' should have been well aware of our rules. After discussions between senior management, the decision has been made to disqualify 'ElkY' from T#200800029. He will forfeit his winnings in that event and all players will move up accordingly. Those players moving up in pay brackets will shortly be credited. Further management discussions are ongoing as to a suitable timeout period from PokerStars for 'ElkY'. This decision process requires input from people who are in different timezones and with it being a weekend this decision is not likely to be made for a few days. Suffice to say that it will be for a minimum of one week. ElkY is an ambassador for PokerStars and should not have acted in this manner. He has been educated as to why his actions were wrong, in order to prevent any repeat occurance. Thank you for reporting this matter and for helping to protect the integrity of our games.

Kind Regards, EdManager,
Collusion Investigation TeamPokerStars Game Security.

so who reported him and how do u have this?

i reported him

i ask ppl to go allin pf all the time and heckle those who are nitty during rbp's all the time, does this make me a colluder as well? or no because i do it in small bi events?

poor elky, he definetely didnt know

elky is unreal honest and would never cheat knowingly. I certainly would not have thought this was cheating if I were him. It was public knowledge to the table that he was going all in the next hand

its against their TOS, but fuck you you stupid faggot for calling it colluding

On September 20 2008 23:54 NeillyJQ wrote: i ask ppl to go allin pf all the time and heckle those who are nitty during rbp's all the time, does this make me a colluder as well? or no because i do it in small bi events?

[ X ] Colluder

i honestly cant believe how much of a pos faggot loser you've shown yourself to be recently

On September 20 2008 23:58 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 20 2008 23:54 NeillyJQ wrote: i ask ppl to go allin pf all the time and heckle those who are nitty during rbp's all the time, does this make me a colluder as well? or no because i do it in small bi events? [ X ] Colluder

seriously die. you worthless scumbag

what the fuck wobbly, u do realize elky stands for pretty much all that lp is good for, a community of players that come from a gaming background that spends the vaast majority of there time grinding and HELPING each other.

If i were nazgul i would ban your ass for doing this to Elky.

By the way, why the FUCK would you do this?
did it hurt you in any way?
have u ever wanted to gambool in a tournament for a big stack early on?

your a fuckin retard wobbly, theres no reason to be so jealous of elky that u would do something like this to hurt one of liquidpokers best ambassadors.

get a life.

this is so fucking stupid. this is so far from collusion, but brand it with what u will.

wobbly is a jealous skilless nitfaggot aussie squad fullring loser who thinks hes the most intelligent person in the world and thinks hes fucking good cuz he beats 5/10 FR over a million hands a day

On September 20 2008 23:59 NeillyJQ wrote: what the fuck wobbly, u do realize elky stands for pretty much all that lp is good for, a community of players that come from a gaming background that spends the vaast majority of there time grinding and HELPING each other. If i were nazgul i would ban your ass for doing this to Elky. By the way, why the FUCK would you do this? did it hurt you in any way? have u ever wanted to gambool in a tournament for a big stack early on? your a fuckin retard wobbly, theres no reason to be so jealous of elky that u would do something like this to hurt one of liquidpokers best ambassadors. get a life.

qft

On September 20 2008 23:59 NeillyJQ wrote: what the fuck wobbly, u do realize elky stands for pretty much all that lp is good for, a community of players that come from a gaming background that spends the vaast majority of there time grinding and HELPING each other. If i were nazgul i would ban your ass for doing this to Elky. By the way, why the FUCK would you do this? did it hurt you in any way? have u ever wanted to gambool in a tournament for a big stack early on? your a fuckin retard wobbly, theres no reason to be so jealous of elky that u would do something like this to hurt one of liquidpokers best ambassadors. get a life.

yea it did affect wobbly though, he was on the table

but it shouldnt have been a fucking deal BECAUSE HE KNEW ELKY AND BRAINWASH WERE SHIPPING IT IN WITH ANY TWO

if u had a good enough hand u ezily coulda scooped

but we all know you wouldnt because you masturbate to hundred dollar bills. god knows you wouldn't gambol more than $1

On September 20 2008 23:57 FrinkX wrote: poor elky, he definetely didnt know elky is unreal honest and would never cheat knowingly. I certainly would not have thought this was cheating if I were him. It was public knowledge to the table that he was going all in the next hand its against their TOS, but fuck you you stupid faggot for calling it colluding

i told him it was regarded as colluding on the table, so did many railers.

a cheater is a cheater. im just glad he didn't get away with it because he was team pokerstars.

i really dont care if i ever colluded in a tournament.

AND HERES ONE FOR U;

this doesn't help you at all during rbp's since players will know you are shoving and call you on a much wider range pf and just take your money, and ppl will know there sixes are good instead of having a tough decision

its more like giving money away instead of colluding, colluding is like using vent to help your friend at the table or msn, thats cheating, this is giving your strategy away preflop

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6236517

seems alot of people reported him too.

seriously get a grip of your selves stop being a elky cock sucker. The rule was put their and is maintained for a reason.

new quote of the week.

umm if he is doing that at your table isn't that a pretty good situation for you?

sigh. this is really low and uncalled for.

im not upset he was reported or punished accordingly. he made a mistake. he didnt know, the second someone said something to him he SNAP APOLOGIZED obviously having no idea what he did was against the TOS of pokerstars

but to go as far as calling it colluding, which is putting elky on the level of RNBALLSACK FAGGOT COCKSUCKER COLLUDER is just atrocious

this has nothing to do with "sucking elkys dick". i fucking know elky, a lot of people here do. we all know how honest he is and how nice he is and he would never knowingly do something like this.

but u then coming here and trying to ruin his more than good name is fucking pathetic u faggot pos. what he did ISNT COLLUDING, fuck that. colluding is what RNBALLSACK DOES

Wobbly,

Did you feel like elky gained an edge by flipping while you were at the table?

You didn't like the fact two people were going allin blind and you could look at your hand before deciding whether to call (btw what was the best hand you folded to their flips!)?




Anyway actually asking for flips has been banned from stars for a good while, and is technically considered colluding. AFAIK almost all decent tournament players feel this is really retarded, but its stars rules so not too much anyone can do about it.

Oh, and after the first time it got banned, someone on P5s came up with the idea to just say 'i like cake' in chat which means lets flips.

Apestyles got banned for a week shortly after, just for declaring his love for puddings in the 100r

i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

there is nothing you gain by doing this to Elky whereas he can LOSE a lot. i seriously can't understand--why would you do that? the first thing i would do is warn him to stop, tell him against the rules, and warn him repercussions are very serious. you and i both know he meant no harm in what he did, and that he was simply trying to have a good time....

edited for grammar --;

On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

Because its a somewhat special circumstance due to it being a rebuy period, and they clearly making -ev plays, AND letting the entire table make very +ev plays, thus its somewhat silly to make it out to be as bad as what collusion generally is

i think your attitude about this is the problem wobbly.. i agree what he did is not right but posting it here almost as a brag and saying "a cheater is a cheater" is a bit over the edge about elky...

that being said, i don't think it is incorrect at all for someone in that table to report him in such a high $ tourney... cause even though as a rebuy tourney its implicit that high stakes players are gonna get it in super light, there is a difference between literally knowing that any 2 will go in pf or not every hand

but the complaint ends up being more like "whine, i dont have the money like these guys do to toss around and get sick amount of chips, even though they are giving me the best possible chance to win chips easy," obviously an unfair advantage to the rich

On September 21 2008 00:17 n0rthf4ce wrote: there is nothing you gain by doing this to Elky whereas he can LOSE a lot. i seriously can't understand--why would you do that? the first thing i would do is warn him to stop, tell him against the rules, and warn him repercussions are very serious. you and i both know he meant no harm in what he did, and that he was simply trying to have a good time.... edited for grammar --;

i did tell him what he was doing was collusion.

your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period.

He unintentionally did hurt the people not on a table with people flipping.

I dont even know why you guys are backing elky, yes he is a good friend yes ok he is honest yadda yadda yadda. hell i was his fan back when he played war3 and a fan of his poker. But what he did was against the rules and is a clear case of colluding, im just glad stars reacted correctly.

way to commit social suicide on this site

On September 21 2008 00:23 CamilaPunt wrote: i think your attitude about this is the problem wobbly.. i agree what he did is not right but posting it here almost as a brag and saying "a cheater is a cheater" is a bit over the edge about elky... that being said, i don't think it is incorrect at all for someone in that table to report him in such a high $ tourney... cause even though as a rebuy tourney its implicit that high stakes players are gonna get it in super light, there is a difference between literally knowing that any 2 will go in pf or not every hand

ok.. lets pretend its not elky.

Lets pretend its RandomJoe918 on stars, i would still make the post because im glad stars care about people reporting collusion.

On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets.

I dont entrirely understand did they decide to flip pf? Cos if so, doesnt that actually improve every1 elses chances?

so by your jackass ideals, this is also considered colluding?

its a $2 tournament, obv i care about $2 as much as elky cares about $100, the first hand i see the sb has my favorite football team as his avatar and i dont really wanna play the tournament, so i say "$2 flip?" lets go ai pf, so he minraises and i ship shove just as i said i was going to.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/531136

now i lost the flip, and the tournament, yet im a colluder cuz i wanted to gambool for a stack in a tournament that doesn't mean anything to me?

a gambool is a gambool and well, idk if u realize this but gambling is what we do for a living, some of us more than others, but in the end this game is a gamble.


your so retarded wobbly.
get a life.

go join 2p2 and leave lp 4 good plz

Wobbly - for me personally i wouldn't report anyone who did this, because imo its a stupid rule and you should be allowed to flip. However its obvious Elky just wasn't aware he couldn't verbally agree to flip in chat, because had he known this he obviously wouldn't have attempted it in some hugeass wcoop rebuy where he will have a ton of railbirds, and asshats like you reporting him.

Thats probably why most people woudn't have reported him/cared.

And i'm fairly sure two players better than you going allin blind superdeep in a rebuy period is waaaay more +Ev for you than trying to actually play real poker.

Neilly - by stars definition agreeing to flip in rebuys is collusion. Thats what wobbly meant, i don't think he was actually saying elky is some awful cheat or anything

On September 21 2008 00:26 spets1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:16 wobbly_au wrote: i don't get how u guys thinks that an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot Isn't a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player is pretty much as clear collusion as it gets. I dont entrirely understand did they decide to flip pf? Cos if so, doesnt that actually improve every1 elses chances?

yes it does. some ppl cannot understand this advanced 5th grade concept. they decide to diminish their likelihood of winning money when ppl go allin regardless of their holdings.

if all you care about is stars acting accordingly, why post this? we all know stars acts accordingly, post this on microsoft word and make it your background so you can read it everyday when u get on your computer. dont post it here and tell us about how you did the online community a service.

I changed the title, its misleading.

While Elky did infact break the rules, he openly talked about it, every body in the table knew about it so its not colluding like if he were having a secret discussion in Messenger about how to destroy the table.

Actually since he told that openly he decreased his edge on the table, calling him a cheater isnt right

On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period.

ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it.

On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it.

well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what he did was wrong.

On September 21 2008 00:33 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote:   On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it. well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what I did was wrong.

fyp

btw this reminds me of an old ass BW interview where the guys in [gg] and other top pros were trying to classify for KBK but it was like impossible because the koreans were dumping games to each other thus gaining sick unfair points... thus GG adpoted this style and started dumping amongst themselves to classify too and when asked if all players in gg/top players did this, the guy (i dont remember who) said "no, elky is doing it legit"

10$ to whoever finds interview link , pm me

wobbly - Did you ever call when they were going allin? What was the best hand you folded?

i shoulda just posted this on 2p2.. u guys are far too emtionally invested in Elky

On September 21 2008 00:37 TwistedEcho wrote: wobbly - Did you ever call when they were going allin? What was the best hand you folded?

hmmm i didnt get J high once. and they were folding when people were limping b4 them.

Only real hand i had was 88 and i lost that big flip, not that that matters

On September 21 2008 00:39 wobbly_au wrote: i shoulda just posted this on 2p2.. u guys are far too emtionally invested in Elky

I dont think anyone cares, he made a mistake and thought it was allowed, and apparently it wasn't so he lost his winnings (as happened to the other mtt regs who got in trouble for this) and he'll get banned from stars for some period of time once they sort the details out.

This could have happened to anyone really who didn't realise it was banned, and was willing to gamble in a rebuy period

On September 21 2008 00:39 wobbly_au wrote: i shoulda just posted this on 2p2.. u guys are far too emtionally invested in Elky

why post it at all.

On September 21 2008 00:33 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote:   On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it. well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what he did was wrong.

Rofl, you were shocked he was punished? So in actuality you sent the email having doubt that anything would actually happen? Do you also picket big corporations with a group of people hoping to change their policies? If you're going to complain, at least have a semblance of appearing righteous.

It may be against the rules, but don't come in here with your altruistic holier-than-thou attitude and not expect to be verbally raped for it.

On September 21 2008 00:43 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:39 wobbly_au wrote: i shoulda just posted this on 2p2.. u guys are far too emtionally invested in Elky why post it at all.

it is fairly big news IMO. stars banning one of their own for cheating.

By the way, no ban me plz :D.

On September 21 2008 00:44 TheHuHu2 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:33 wobbly_au wrote:   On September 21 2008 00:31 n0rthf4ce wrote:   On September 21 2008 00:25 wobbly_au wrote: your right i don't gain anything from this, and he wasn't trying to have a good time by flipping, he was trying to get an artificially boosted stack losing very little ev for after the rebuy period. ah yes, very true. what he did was wrong but you make it sound much worse than it is. plus, he got his punishment so i don't even know why you would make a thread about it. well i made it coz i was really shocked that stars actually punished Elky, and plus wanted to see how many people here realise what he did was wrong. Rofl, you were shocked he was punished? So in actuality you sent the email having doubt that anything would actually happen? Do you also picket big corporations with a group of people hoping to change their policies? If you're going to complain, at least have a semblance of appearing righteous. It may be against the rules, but don't come in here with your altruistic holier-than-thou attitude and not expect to be verbally raped for it.

rofl sick redemption post

WHAT IN THE FUCK LOL wtf. reporting elky when hes essentially giving his money away AND LETTING YOU KNOW about it. WHAT THE FUCK.

seriously this goes together with those times u see a little boy run up to his mom and says "that kids picking his nose, do something!"

*sigh*

who won on that flip?

!!!
That bastard, finally he got what he deserved for WDT!

holy fuck, what's in it for your for reporting? If some two unknown were playing that's fine, but Elky deserves some respect...
Really retarded

you have nothing to gain by reporting him and he has pretty much everything to lose.

good job you reported him for something that he didnt know was wrong and every other tournament player on stars does who you've also failed to report im sure

get bent faggot

On September 21 2008 00:54 anon wrote: holy fuck, what's in it for your for reporting? If some two unknown were playing that's fine, but Elky deserves some respect... Really retarded

true

On September 21 2008 00:51 SfydjkLm wrote: !!! That bastard, finally he got what he deserved for WDT!

LOL LOL right on, great post

On September 21 2008 00:25 masterfrywad wrote: way to commit social suicide on this site

only 191 posts but i can tell your gonna be one of the smart ones haha

On September 21 2008 00:55 PoorUser wrote: you have nothing to gain by reporting him and he has pretty much everything to lose. good job you reported him for something that he didnt know was wrong and every other tournament player on stars does who you've also failed to report im sure get bent faggot

i dont have double standards mate.

it's really sad that this happened involving two good people from lp. im not making any judgements but I hope this gets resolved soon so everybody is back to poker again

but yea like mainly, my beef with this situation is, HE WAS IGNORANT, he was INTENTIONALLY increasing everyones chances at that table by taking the -EV side, and he has SO MUCH to lose, in a spot where no one has anything to gain. Seriously like, im suprised anyone even reported him, because frankly i would expect any person that isn't a douchebag goody two shoes, to make him understand that he is infact breaking the rules and he needs to stop OR ELSE he will be reported. Which is indeed much different than saying "AH HA! YOU JSUT BROKE THE RULES GG FAGGOT reported"

Yeah. Starcraft players definetly remember WDT scam.
Then came "making millions with playing poker".So many stupid people actually came here and got ripped by their own Starcraft community. And the only ones making money off the geeks are Nazgul and Meat with this website. Stuntastic!

Wow this is really low ... How can you try to harm someone as nice as Elky ? What about telling him to NOT flip ? And there's a difference between someone who does it on purpose and someone who probably did it just for fun w/o knowing it was against the TOS.

thats retarded, if your dad or brother won first in this tourney and had flipped early you wouldnt report him. everyone has double standards - you were probably beating off while you typed the letter to stars

there has to be balance sure but he broke arguably the dumbest rule on pokerstars without even knowing it and you are in turn risking possibly his sponsorship and at least the 14k or whatever he won

god fuck people who think they are the long arm of the law and have no fucking clue

On September 21 2008 01:06 Sheitan wrote: Wow this is really low ... How can you try to harm someone as nice as Elky ? What about telling him to NOT flip ? And there's a difference between someone who does it on purpose and someone who probably did it just for fun w/o knowing it was against the TOS.

He wasn't doing it "just for fun" he was doing it to gain an unfair advantage for very lil cost of EV (because someone has agreed to flip with him). I dont care if he is a nice person or not, and I don't believe he doesn't know the rule.

It is a very well known rule for MTT players, and he is a MTT pro for a long long time.

On September 21 2008 00:58 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 00:55 PoorUser wrote: you have nothing to gain by reporting him and he has pretty much everything to lose. good job you reported him for something that he didnt know was wrong and every other tournament player on stars does who you've also failed to report im sure get bent faggot i dont have double standards mate.

i don't have ANYTHING against you which is something a lot of ppl here can't say, but you keep trying to drive this point and its seriously annoying. there is no double standard here--agreeing to go AI blind is colluding only with the strictest interpretations of the rules, and its dumb to get punished for it. THAT SAID, Elky did actually get punished for it even tho he didn't know it was wrong, and you still have to put up a thread that says "Elky caught colluding"? In no way does that reflect his true intent or personality and you are tarnishing his name by spinning his actions with a misleading title for who knows what reason.

this reminds me of the retarded assfaggots on 2p2 NVG forums who constantly shittalk Hevad when they have no clue what they are talking about. not that you are clueless or an assfaggot, but you certainly could have approached this situation with more discretion so you don't come off as someone who hates Elky and wants his rep destroyed.

WOBBLY YOU ARE SUCH AN UNREAL FAGGOT. Seriously, someone put a lifetime ban on this narc. Jesus christ you are so lame dude. LOLLLLLLLL what a loser.

On September 21 2008 01:04 mysoul wrote: Yeah. Starcraft players definetly remember WDT scam. Then came "making millions with playing poker".So many stupid people actually came here and got ripped by their own Starcraft community. And the only ones making money off the geeks are Nazgul and Meat with this website. Stuntastic!

ROFL what a clown

I really think that in poker, there are often so many times where the ethics of something get a little blurry, and often times people find themselves ignorant of such unethical (or maybe not unethical but against the rules in this situation) situations, where they are simply ignorant. But if we know a player has a good reputation in which case we figure we should give them a break and fair warning before going ahead and taking action against that person.

It sort of reminds me of the mezmerizeplz/adz shit on 2+2 where clay obviously at the time didn't understand what he was doing was unethical. Which pretty soon afterwards realized by himself "that was fucked" but people dont understand that they are like "oh shit hes coloring outside the lines, lynch the nigger". We need to be more responsible for each other as higher stakes players, where we have reputations and SERIOUS consequences that we can face when we are simply ignorant of a situation.

I myself have been in some spots like this, and i'm sure many people have. We just make mistakes sometimes, were human and im sure no one has ever read the entire terms of agreement of pokerstars or any other poker website. But when consequences for minuscule mistakes are so costly, we really need to help each other out and understand things.

Wobbly i hope you know you essentially costed elky ATLEAST whatever money he invested, also you tainted his reputation, and cost him probably more than that. He essentially can't go to work now for a certain period of time. HE IS JOBLESS for whatever time he is banned. gj, i hope you proved your point

fuck the man, lets bring the man down one elky at a time, we all know stars and every other poker site is the devil, lets make sure that they and their team members burn in hell because they get treated differently. everyone knows they get 100% rakeback why not me! WHY GOD

Yeah Im a clown who doesnt believe in fairytales; living your life staring at computer monitor while making millions and ballin` at the same time And most importantly a clown who hasnt played online poker at all.. Little fishes always get eaten by large fishes btw. Same goes with scammers

can someone link me or say what this wdt scam is?

On September 21 2008 01:01 whamm! wrote: it's really sad that this happened involving two good people from lp. im not making any judgements but I hope this gets resolved soon so everybody is back to poker again

oh fuck you whamm!

At my university there was this eccentric econ professor who everyone loved and one day he was spotted loittering at the local Arby's assailing customers with a flurries of hundred dollar bills. Even to this day I thank god for the courageous individual who stood up to the madness and informed the police so justice could be served and the wrongdoer could be arrested.

On September 21 2008 01:24 mysoul wrote: Yeah Im a clown who doesnt believe in fairytales; living your life staring at computer monitor while making millions and ballin` at the same time And most importantly a clown who hasnt played online poker at all.. Little fishes always get eaten by large fishes btw. Same goes with scammers

Well, so you havent played a single hand of poker online yet you claim only Nazgul and Meat make money? lol you stupid clown i dont know why even dignify your post with a reply but let me assure you that many many many of us are making good money from poker, much more than you will ever make in any job you take, but yeah we are allllll lying lol, we make up graphs its photoshop! its all a big conspiracy.

On September 21 2008 01:37 failsafe wrote: At my university there was this eccentric econ professor who everyone loved and one day he was spotted loittering at the local Arby's assailing customers with a flurries of hundred dollar bills. Even to this day I thank god for the courageous individual who stood up to the madness and informed the police so justice could be served and the wrongdoer could be arrested.

HAHAHA SO GOOD

On September 21 2008 01:24 mysoul wrote: Yeah Im a clown who doesnt believe in fairytales; living your life staring at computer monitor while making millions and ballin` at the same time And most importantly a clown who hasnt played online poker at all.. Little fishes always get eaten by large fishes btw. Same goes with scammers

i really don't understand what you are trying to accomplish there, apart from getting banned for envy. lol

On September 21 2008 01:37 failsafe wrote: At my university there was this eccentric econ professor who everyone loved and one day he was spotted loittering at the local Arby's assailing customers with a flurries of hundred dollar bills. Even to this day I thank god for the courageous individual who stood up to the madness and informed the police so justice could be served and the wrongdoer could be arrested.

LOL epic epic, i love it

wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound?

elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND.

and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn.

elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it.


edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is.


edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour.

On September 21 2008 01:11 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 01:04 mysoul wrote: Yeah. Starcraft players definetly remember WDT scam. Then came "making millions with playing poker".So many stupid people actually came here and got ripped by their own Starcraft community. And the only ones making money off the geeks are Nazgul and Meat with this website. Stuntastic! ROFL what a clown

check his IP address...

Nice brag post bro! Really doing yourself a favour on that one.

i really hope someone bans wobbly

his retardation has just gotten embarassing

I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct.

Elky broke the rules (yes he may have not known, tough titties), wobbly perceives this has affected game as this was happening on his table, he told stars, stars took action that they deemed necessary, nuff said?

Yes there may be clashing opinions about what's right, what's wrong and what action should be taken, but just acting like wobbly stabbed Elky in the eye while Elky was solving world hunger, is hardly fair.

If you want to bitch and moan about Elky getting punished, flame and berate stars, why do you berate wobbly who mearly just notified stars of this happening.

Im sure if the situation was reversed, you would all be laughing @ wobbly calling him a faggot ass colluder, who should die in a grease fire, while praising Elky for being a genius for doing so.

On September 21 2008 00:28 NeillyJQ wrote: a gambool is a gambool and well, idk if u realize this but gambling is what we do for a living, some of us more than others, but in the end this game is a gamble. your so retarded wobbly. get a life. go join 2p2 and leave lp 4 good plz

Seconded, although I'm not sure 2+2 really deserves him either.

On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is.

this isn't even directed at me and i feel like shit

On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct.

This isn't a bandwagon you dumb pos

We, unlike you, have functioning brains. We have a little thing called COMMON SENSE.

its so pathetic how overused the word bandwagon is. USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ALL AGREE/BERATE THE SAME PERSON ITS BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A FUCKING RETARD AND IS WRONG

On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct. Elky broke the rules (yes he may have not known, tough titties), wobbly perceives this has affected game as this was happening on his table, he told stars, stars took action that they deemed necessary, nuff said? Yes there may be clashing opinions about what's right, what's wrong and what action should be taken, but just acting like wobbly stabbed Elky in the eye while Elky was solving world hunger, is hardly fair. If you want to bitch and moan about Elky getting punished, flame and berate stars, why do you berate wobbly who mearly just notified stars of this happening. Im sure if the situation was reversed, you would all be laughing @ wobbly calling him a faggot ass colluder, who should die in a grease fire, while praising Elky for being a genius for doing so.

how can the situations reverse? elky wouldnt do that.

On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND.

That's a load of shit, he's still doing this as it gives up some ev in the short term, but in the long run its +ev, is it not?
Point is, a rule is a fucking rule, and its there for a fucking reason, if you want to flame its retardedness, blame stars, not people who have different points of view on the subject

On September 21 2008 02:16 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct. This isn't a bandwagon you dumb pos We, unlike you, have functioning brains. We have a little thing called COMMON SENSE. its so pathetic how overused the word bandwagon is. USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ALL AGREE/BERATE THE SAME PERSON ITS BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A FUCKING RETARD AND IS WRONG

*CAPS LOCK ON*REPEAT WHAT OTHER GUY SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS
U POS FAGGOT FAGGOT CUNT POS FAGGOT CUNT POS DIE BAN BAN DIE

nice functioning brain you have...

no its not more +EV in the long run, its huuuuuuugely -ev lol
hes just being a degen cause he wants chips

On September 21 2008 01:04 mysoul wrote: Yeah. Starcraft players definetly remember WDT scam. Then came "making millions with playing poker".So many stupid people actually came here and got ripped by their own Starcraft community. And the only ones making money off the geeks are Nazgul and Meat with this website. Stuntastic!

Let me take this opportunity to thank everyone on this site to help us establish this scam by pretending they are actually winning players! Also i would like to thank the mods for banning everyone who is confessing he is actually losing!

high five joy! we got those little degens hehehehhhehheahhahaehehaeahehhehhehehhe

i used to love australians until steve irwin died

On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: Im sure if the situation was reversed, you would all be laughing @ wobbly calling him a faggot ass colluder, who should die in a grease fire, while praising Elky for being a genius for doing so.

this is so blatently not true. since you cant see this isnt true, like wobbly, you have no idea why wobbly is such a faggot for this whole thing

On September 21 2008 02:21 Pokemyface wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:16 FrinkX wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct. This isn't a bandwagon you dumb pos We, unlike you, have functioning brains. We have a little thing called COMMON SENSE. its so pathetic how overused the word bandwagon is. USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ALL AGREE/BERATE THE SAME PERSON ITS BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A FUCKING RETARD AND IS WRONG *CAPS LOCK ON*REPEAT WHAT OTHER GUY SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS U POS FAGGOT FAGGOT CUNT POS FAGGOT CUNT POS DIE BAN BAN DIE nice functioning brain you have...

i'm unintelligent because i use caplocks to emphasize points? where have i repeated what other people have said? I believe i was one of the first people to reply to this thread

im swearing at you two because you two truly are unintelligent scumbags. have i only sworn at you? have i not stated my reasons? up until this point you have only embarrassed yourselves but now you're trying to bring someone you only wish you knew down

reading comprehension ftw for the thousandth time

i like you wobbly but this was a really horrible thing to do to elky

i guess the only problem with it is it gives an advantage to the one table vs all the others. and obviously he was being selective only getting it in against this one guy. 14k or whatever isnt big money for elky anyway, at least it seems like his team pokerstars membership will remain intact

On September 20 2008 23:54 wobbly_au wrote: i reported him

This just made my head assplode.....


...if someone was shoving all-in on ur cash game table every hand would you report him too? You're a total moron....

seriously wobbly_au, go play in traffic

On September 21 2008 00:28 NeillyJQ wrote: a gambool is a gambool and well, idk if u realize this but gambling is what we do for a living, some of us more than others, but in the end this game is a gamble.

lol what you said is so unbelievably stupid, i am nearly speechless...
people like you are the reason why most of us poker players make money, you actually think what you are doing is similar to what most people here are doing.

I guess denial is the reason why alot of degens keep gambling.

I REALLY hope you aren't playing poker for a living.

i dont give a shit if this is banned or not, im still going to flip and talk in the chat asking for flips.. everyone still does it and this rule is retarded.

also what on earth wobbly? it is so pathetic you would do this... it shouldnt even be a rule.

i think im going to email stars about the rule actually.

On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour.

lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol


he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e.

On September 21 2008 00:55 PoorUser wrote: you have nothing to gain by reporting him and he has pretty much everything to lose. good job you reported him for something that he didnt know was wrong and every other tournament player on stars does who you've also failed to report im sure get bent faggot

Backstabbing

On September 21 2008 02:16 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct. This isn't a bandwagon you dumb pos We, unlike you, have functioning brains. We have a little thing called COMMON SENSE.

yeah obviously by your choice of words, there is no "bandwagon"

On September 21 2008 02:41 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour. lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e.

you know its major +EV? werent u just days ago defending with your life that gamboling to get a stack is SICK -EV (as well as berating a player who is MUCH better than you'll ever be) and there is no mathematical proof to prove its +EV?

well done

On September 21 2008 02:41 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour. lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e.

you are way mistaken. shoving AI every hand is hugely -EV, while taking gambles in the rebuy period is hugely +EV. theres a difference...

On September 21 2008 02:29 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:21 Pokemyface wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:16 FrinkX wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:13 Pokemyface wrote: I love the lp bandwagon that everyone jumps on...crucifying anyone or anything that they dont approve of, and while stating their opinions like scientific proof of it being correct. This isn't a bandwagon you dumb pos We, unlike you, have functioning brains. We have a little thing called COMMON SENSE. its so pathetic how overused the word bandwagon is. USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ALL AGREE/BERATE THE SAME PERSON ITS BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A FUCKING RETARD AND IS WRONG *CAPS LOCK ON*REPEAT WHAT OTHER GUY SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS U POS FAGGOT FAGGOT CUNT POS FAGGOT CUNT POS DIE BAN BAN DIE nice functioning brain you have... i'm unintelligent because i use caplocks to emphasize points? where have i repeated what other people have said? I believe i was one of the first people to reply to this thread im swearing at you two because you two truly are unintelligent scumbags. have i only sworn at you? have i not stated my reasons? up until this point you have only embarrassed yourselves but now you're trying to bring someone you only wish you knew down reading comprehension ftw for the thousandth time

No, you come across as unintelligent because you just swear rather than convey your point comprehensively, while over emphasizing too much.

So your counter-argument for being called unintelligent is to immediately assume that anyone who disagrees with some opinions you have, is stupid?

Finally, if you haven't yet realised wobbly couldn't careless that this was Elky, he would've done the same for any random person, you sir have nice reading comprehension indeed.

On September 21 2008 02:49 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:41 wobbly_au wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour. lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e. you are way mistaken. shoving AI every hand is hugely -EV, while taking gambles in the rebuy period is hugely +EV. theres a difference...

jesus didnt wobbly have this exact same concept explained to him by Mig a week ago? WTF.

gj backstabbing someone who is a personal hero to like 95% of this community.


lp suicide much?

well it is breaking the rules etc but like in a rebuy tournament i would love this to happen on my table so i can get action on hands

no point reporting him just make the most of it the chance of building up a stack before the addon? thinking about oh hes flipping etc prob just distracts you from your game more than anything else...

Hes trying to take exploit negative EV situations! THE BASTARD


KILL HIM!

its not EV+ wobbly are you retarded? god... wtf is going on with you, playing 1M hands a month and you fail to understand simple poker concepts...

well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught.

BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either

a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat

b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area.

mood: trigger happy

On September 21 2008 02:43 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:41 wobbly_au wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour. lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e. you know its major +EV? werent u just days ago defending with your life that gamboling to get a stack is SICK -EV (as well as berating a player who is MUCH better than you'll ever be) and there is no mathematical proof to prove its +EV? well done

are u serious? if im the only one shoving light i think thats -ev.

but elky has arranged for someone else to shove/call everytime that reduces the ev he loses by ALOT.

On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area.

And would you fucking call the cops when ur frind is smoking weed? no.. and if you would fuck you.

Baal said:
would you call the cops if you see a friend of yours smoking weed?
Wobbly says:
yea woudlnt call cops
Wobbly says:
prob tell his/her parents
Baal says:
oh god

-------

just wow.

On September 21 2008 02:49 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 02:41 wobbly_au wrote:   On September 21 2008 02:03 Daut wrote: wobbly do you realize how retarded/faggoty you sound? elky broke the dumbest rule on stars and you get all uppity cause he is basically giving money away and you want to see what happens when you report a stars pro. he was GIVING MONEY AWAY BY GOING ALL IN BLIND. and we are obviously friends with elky but everyone said this was total bullshit when imperium, annette, charder and a few others got temporary week or month long bans for it. basically every tournament player WISHES THIS WAS LEGAL because it increases your EV by so much. he is gaining no unfair edge. hes just being a sick degen and flushing money down the toilet trying to get a stack taking huge -ev spots to do so. but you report him because for whatever reason you want to see elky burn. elky has a lot that he can lose over this, dont know why you would revel in being the one to report it. edit: being 100% honest i would never ever ever ever ever report someone for breaking this "rule". i wouldnt even report people i dislike out of pure spite, and thats saying a lot. if anyone talked to mig nearly as much as i do they would be just as spiteful at the world and would love to spiteban people with these emails. even im not that evil, but i think mig is. edit2: i have mixed feelings about them taking away elkys money/giving him a temporary ban from the site. on one side, i think it would be unfair to not do it after they already have to annette, imperium and charder. on the other hand, i think its a terrible rule and they should immediately change it because it just loosens tables up and makes things more profitable for the non degens, and also makes poker more fun during a rebuy hour. lol are u trying to convince me elky is going all in because he thinks its fun? are u fucking kidding me? lol he obviously knows its major +ev to get a major boosted stack as he is getting it allin random vs random not random vs 25% range or w/e. you are way mistaken. shoving AI every hand is hugely -EV, while taking gambles in the rebuy period is hugely +EV. theres a difference...

i am in agreeance with what u are saying.. u misunderstood me

that's something I don't like about this forum, someone breaks a rule and gets punished for it, knowing or not knowing he was wrong, who cares it just happened, and then comes the inevitable disgusting "defense" that is so uncalled for and he probably doesn't even want it. Same like the adz/mezmerize thing.

Just leave it as it is, it doesn't matter at all who he is, he did a small mistake and got punished as he should. If the rules get ignored for one reason or another there will be chaos, this is a business where the feel for fairness and trust in the system are extremely important, any hint of double standard is destructive

i wrote an email to stars
i hope everyone else does too :o

On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area.

i select a.

i posted this knowing EXACTLY how LP would react, but i mean a stars pro being banned/punished for colluding is fairly good news so i thought i'd still share.

On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: i am in agreeance with what u are saying.. u misunderstood me

lets look at some rough math. if they are indeed allin every hand then everyone else at the table should be going allin also w/ 55+, A9o+, KJo+ as a pretty acceptable range. If this is the case more likely than not someone will be allin with them with a dominating edge every time, so how can it not be -EV for either of them?

On September 21 2008 03:12 Baal wrote: Baal said: would you call the cops if you see a friend of yours smoking weed? Wobbly says: yea woudlnt call cops Wobbly says: prob tell his/her parents Baal says: oh god ------- just wow.

wow what a squirrel

On September 21 2008 03:17 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area. i select a. i posted this knowing EXACTLY how LP would react, but i mean a stars pro being banned/punished for colluding is fairly good news so i thought i'd still share.

You're an online poker player and you play at pokerstars and you think that this is 'fairly good news' ???

..........

no seriously

?????????????

On September 21 2008 02:53 SakiSaki wrote: gj backstabbing someone who is a personal hero to like 95% of this community. lp suicide much?

^pretty much sums it up.

Well, Elky cashed in for ~10k in the event.
Way to be a jealous douchebag, seriously. And I have completely no idea what the fuck u wanted to achieve by making a topic and informing people u reported him. Making u a 'righteous hero of the community', since u report every cheater? lol.

Btw, thinking this is +EV for him ( if it was openly admited on chat on the table ) is just LOL^2. Fuck me, I would be happier then anyone in the tournament if I would have 2 ppl shoving every hand on the table.

On September 21 2008 03:18 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: i am in agreeance with what u are saying.. u misunderstood me lets look at some rough math. if they are indeed allin every hand then everyone else at the table should be going allin also w/ 55+, A9o+, KJo+ as a pretty acceptable range. If this is the case more likely than not someone will be allin with them with a dominating edge every time, so how can it not be -EV for either of them?

they werent all in every hand, when people limped/raised/shoved to them preflop they would fold, and they were 1 position apart so they were prob all in like 50% of hands and shover always shoved late position. And the thing is they are garunteed to be called by a random hand instead of the hands u listed in your range. gambling like this will be slightly -ev but will give u such a HUGE stack that u increase your chance to make FT etcetc.


a analogy babs said in msn to me was that.

imagine there is a fish 1500bb deep (what brainwish was at the first break) on a 6max cash table, when the fish folds i could shove everyhand and u can call every hand to boost out stacks so we are get super deep with the fish and potentially stack him. but obviously this situation will probably never happen, but surely u see the comparison as the pay structure of tournaments favour the top finishers. so by doing this elky and the other guy has a much bigger chance of making the big cashes.

The first thought I had was OMG YOU RAT!, but it kinda seems wobbly did think he was getting cheated and Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here that he wasnt just doing this out of spite to elky. But wobbly you could just tell him in chat instead of overreacting like that and getting him into trouble for such a thing.

Dude elky was a memeber of this site long before almost all of us.. he helped build it into what it is today. You learned poker from this site (and possibly others).. And you just decided to be a HUGE douche bag to him for no reason.
Then start a post to brag about it? HES ON YOUR TEAM!!!! WTF HOW DUMB CAN U B?

ima go ahead and quote my self from a long time ago

On November 04 2007 23:52 milkman wrote: r u fucking kidding me? get the fuck outa here with this shit... do some shit when im this mad IRL and ill rip ur fuckin head off. thats a promise.

HOLD 1 TIME!!! dont dodge me in pca!

On September 21 2008 03:12 wobbly_au wrote: they werent all in every hand, when people limped/raised/shoved to them preflop they would fold, and they were 1 position apart so they were prob all in like 50% of hands and shover always shoved late position. And the thing is they are garunteed to be called by a random hand instead of the hands u listed in your range. gambling like this will be slightly -ev but will give u such a HUGE stack that u increase your chance to make FT etcetc.

Why would they give this player action in this manner? He didnt agree to flip prior to to the hand being dealt.

If he limp/called allin then wp by him and if he shoved KJ or something expecting to get called then thats a bad play by him.

On September 21 2008 03:33 EvilSky wrote: The first thought I had was OMG YOU RAT!, but it kinda seems wobbly did think he was getting cheated and Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here that he wasnt just doing this out of spite to elky. But wobbly you could just tell him in chat instead of overreacting like that and getting him into trouble for such a thing.

of course he thought he was getting cheated

thats retarded.

wow go kill urself

On September 21 2008 03:12 Baal wrote: Baal said: would you call the cops if you see a friend of yours smoking weed? Wobbly says: yea woudlnt call cops Wobbly says: prob tell his/her parents Baal says: oh god ------- just wow.

ROFL, dude you are a fucking pathetic geek

On September 21 2008 03:17 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2008 03:02 Royal_Rumble wrote: well a rule is a rule and you have to know it. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean you can ignore it. It's like the law. If you think it's stupid that possession of drugs is illegal you still will get punished if you get caught. BUT reporting Elky is really low. And bragging on LP.net about is... i cannot decide, either a) props to you for your courage to stand the heat b) stupid because you remind me of floofy and his lack of common sense / social skills if you cannot gauge LPs reaction. I think this could be the case, considering OP plays poker all day long, so he could have deficits in this area. i select a. i posted this knowing EXACTLY how LP would react, but i mean a stars pro being banned/punished for colluding is fairly good news so i thought i'd still share.

Wobbly, call this collusion again and i will ban you