NL2 ps >>>>>> NL10 other sofwtare.

damn dude not trying to be harsh (you might have seen I've been struggling to move up longer than I feel I ought to be) but how long have you been trying to get past nl2? Uhmmm..Before you start playing again I think you need to take a little bit of time and make sure you are de-tilted. Then forget everything you know about the game and restart the learning process. Read some 2p2 microstakes FAQs.

I also think its a huge leak to do anything but play your hand at nl2. I have never seen you play and I'm not gonna go review your handhistories or something, but you are probably way overthinking each hand, since I have to assume you aren't so bad that you can't even figure out what cards are good to play preflop. So stop thinking about whats going on in your opponents brain, because nothing logical is. If you have TPTK get it in happily on nearly any board. If you have a set, get it in on any board, etc. Don't bluff past your c-bet.

Message me in a few days when you are detilted and I will rail you for a little bit (just once though ) nightreaper2o1 ^at^ hotmail-com

quit poker

also, its not rigged.

I do think that if it has been as long as it looks, you should probably spend your time on a more fruitful endeavor if it doesn't work out again.

I don't care if it's rigged or not, but god this game is so really good to piss us off. Definitely.
WTF am i supposed to do when i get like miniraised to 2 cents in a 3$ pot ? It makes non sense, i've to call because the odds is just so good to fold.
WTF am i supposed to do when i get 2 tops pairs against a 70/0 guy with like 5 AF and get allin on the flop ? Call. I see set.
Sure i'm taking cooler np, but i'm pretty sure i'm taking way TOO much cooler than the other opposite.
I must have like 20k hands and still i'm pretty sure i'm running like 20 bi UNDER expectation.
Thx for ur help thought n2o1.
Oh and fuck off gororok i'm not quitting poker !
<3

Oh and i won't be reading 2p2 because i feel that the community is just like WoW : QQ more plz or something.
I'll probably check the articles but won't ever read the retarded comments at least cauz it's just brainfart.
Hard to start again from scratch when you've been reading lp.net for a while and see all their thinking process even though they're playing on higher limits.
Oh well. btw what is Fruitful endeavor ? I don't have any besides playing sport maybe and i don't have many friend because of my handicap.
Sure it's very -EV to not have faith or soemthing but hell i've been on worse cases before so it's not like thoses fuckers poker babos will always win. If that's the case i'll definitely blame PSTARS.
Fuk.
Chris.

Heh, I had the same thoughts as you, and I have.. hmm... toned them down. I definitely am not perfect yet (as evidenced by my complaints during my downswing earlier this week) but its so very important that you completely eradicate the thoughts of the game being against you when you run bad. Its not. You know that.

Anyway like I said before take some time and just chill out, then read an article or two, and I'll rail you to help set you on the right track, for the micros atleast.

Peace.

read the low stakes forum. absorb the good advice there. post your hands up in the forum as well.

On January 09 2009 05:02 gororokgororok wrote: quit poker

lame comment.

Keep putting in the hands, if you feel you're even slightly tilted take a break and read some articles. Some people say it's not possible to run bad for this amount of hands at 2nl, but it definitely is, but don't just blame it on running bad. You're still really bad at the game (dont take offense, you still probably have the knowledge to beat 2nl), poker is a huge game, there is so much knowledge to take in, keep reading/watching. Good luck.

but yes first thing first stop saying its rigged.

You have to stop making up excuses why you lose. Blaming it on bad opponents seems pretty contradictory, and blaming it on a rigged site is even worse.

What you need to do is probably fundamentally change your game, because struggling at nl 2 for a couple of years is a pretty long time. You are doing something wrong sir, and that's your job to find out what it is.

Reread Grot's guide for beginners might be a good start to refresh the fundamentals of this game.

There is also plenty of help you can get by posting your own hands in these forums.

Third I would suggest to turn off PokerTracker or HoldEm Manager or whatever you use and start focusing on a) your own cards (and the boards) and b) who is extremely fishy and pay more focus on showdowns.

It feels like you are relying too heavily on statistics when it in fact doesnt matter at all here.

gogo Raizou ..take them down

Open up 8+ FR tables and just WAIT for AQ+/TT+/limp all smaller pps...

This might sound extreme, but this is kind of robotic thinking you need to rape NL2 with the least amount of stress. Just play your hand. You just have to wait and wait for these super premium hands while losing as little money as possible (meaning, don't play trash) - just think about it, you're paying 3cents per orbit in blinds... you can afford to wait.

Gluck dude.

yah looking at an old graph you posted, you are definitely trying to play too much postflop with weak holdings. we'll fix ya up

On January 09 2009 06:32 fenner wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2009 05:02 gororokgororok wrote: quit poker lame comment. Keep putting in the hands, if you feel you're even slightly tilted take a break and read some articles. Some people say it's not possible to run bad for this amount of hands at 2nl, but it definitely is, but don't just blame it on running bad. You're still really bad at the game (dont take offense, you still probably have the knowledge to beat 2nl), poker is a huge game, there is so much knowledge to take in, keep reading/watching. Good luck.

Don't worry i really appreciate any critiscim, so i don't feel offended at all. Yeah i suck, i'm not saying that i'm god but i definitely know there are just sooo many leaks from those babos for sure. Of course i have too but at least i'm trying to work them as much as possible.

On January 09 2009 06:48 SpasticInk wrote: You have to stop making up excuses why you lose. Blaming it on bad opponents seems pretty contradictory, and blaming it on a rigged site is even worse. What you need to do is probably fundamentally change your game, because struggling at nl 2 for a couple of years is a pretty long time. You are doing something wrong sir, and that's your job to find out what it is. Reread Grot's guide for beginners might be a good start to refresh the fundamentals of this game. There is also plenty of help you can get by posting your own hands in these forums. Third I would suggest to turn off PokerTracker or HoldEm Manager or whatever you use and start focusing on a) your own cards (and the boards) and b) who is extremely fishy and pay more focus on showdowns. It feels like you are relying too heavily on statistics when it in fact doesnt matter at all here.

I'll try to play without HEM. I've been playing on and off because i've 2 comps one which hasn't it and the other. Lost 10 bi just now to both.
Grot's guide i know it in heart. I've even tried to translate it in french for the frenchie forums but got too lazy to finish it. Maybe later. But i know what he's talking about and that's roughly how i'm trying to play (with some more hands to get a little more insights, but it hurts more than anything so better stick to the guide).
I definitely agree with you, blaming is not an option. It just feel good to blame on something... Dunno i'll try to take it like a man from now on.

On January 09 2009 07:36 Sanai wrote: Open up 8+ FR tables and just WAIT for AQ+/TT+/limp all smaller pps... This might sound extreme, but this is kind of robotic thinking you need to rape NL2 with the least amount of stress. Just play your hand. You just have to wait and wait for these super premium hands while losing as little money as possible (meaning, don't play trash) - just think about it, you're paying 3cents per orbit in blinds... you can afford to wait. Gluck dude.

That's exactly what i'm doing. But for some odd reason, everytime i get good cards i never hit so i don't have choice but to fold. But wait, when i hit what happens ? I try to continuate bet like i'd usually do when not hitting and of course I'M NOT GETTING ACTIONS. It's even worse, the last 2 AA and last 2 KK i've not been called pf while raising 3BB+1BB/Limp (even worse is while i'm trying to raise any 2 cards with the same thought i get called. Huh ? Hello ? You sure there's not any hacker?).
But so far i act like nothing happened cauz it's not like that will bring me money.
Oh well really thank you to all for the advices though. Keep criticizing me or even slap me in the face if needed, cauz i'm seriously doubting my game.

sounds like a regular downswing judging from your last post: "the last 2 AA and last 2 KK i've not been called pf"

that is a very small sample, happens to all of us to be honest.

i found that i am much more consistent cash wise playing SnG instead of cash games, you might want to try a few. up to the 10$ SnGs, PS is pretty soft (1$, 3$ and 5$ ones are easy to crush).

Just sounds like a standard downswing to me and the mindfuck that accompanies such. I sat down at a table w/ you earlier today and you played fine over the 50-100hands or whatever it was if that's any consolation. Just keep your head up man. Can't be results oriented.

Raiz, i doubt you've been playing longer than me; im still on NL 2, and after 5 months (i didnt play much really) im finally making a breakthru of NL 2. I dl'ed pokertracker on novemember an dmy statistics are:

November -$5.45
December - $34.67
January +$22

it took me up to 26k hands (since november) to finally start winning money, and i havent taken in count when i played on FTP (i managed to stay alive and cashout the bonus) which would probably be about 5k hands or so.

dont get tilted. You will run into a lot of coolers more. Just take discipline an patience.

Also, doesnt mean im not going to run bad and lose my 22$. In fact , if it happens, meh, just keep playing.. You're a member of this forum, keep it going, you'll make it!

you have huge leaks if you cant beat nl5

poker is fucked up game.. you play good and then you uncounciously start doing stupid shit/or something diffrent
and you think nah.. it cant be that.. i am just running bad , but true story is that stupid shit can fucking destroy your winrate in the long run....

i am on a downswing over 60k hands.. on limits i have been crushing before
and i probably got on some life tilt and start doing some stupid shits all the time .. and i was thinking it was just a badluck
true is there is a small portion of bad luck but also there is a huge part of me playing terrible
etc.. i started playing overagressive esp. on the river and we know on what street the most money goes in
also work on your game against shortstackers.. dont play too loose against them
use pokertracker find someone who can help you with stats , find ur leaks , crush stakes , move up .. repeat
play less tables , focus more , dont watch porn/tv/listen music while you play , get a coach

last word.. everyone have/ will have downswing , bad runs and moments where life looks like a peace of shit.. but that's were you decide are you going to burn out in this game or you are going to quit it
look on it as some kind of test and wake up call to fix ur game

gl have fun