which of the mass grinders is the best?

between kelisitaan, nanonoko, bfl4me, 20 Buck Spin, Leatherass, any others in their league i might be forgetting, who do you think is best?

leatherass i think

really don't know though

kelisitaan for sure. he makes the most too if ur wondering

deldar

On January 29 2009 23:51 DooMeR wrote: kelisitaan for sure. he makes the most too if ur wondering

not sure how seriously you can take doomers advice
hes got sort of a man crush on kelisitaan.

i got a man crush on bigbobm too but that doesn't mean hes not the best poker player in the entire world, now does it?

who is the nittiest winning player?
who runs perpetually like god on stars?

just curious on players you know so far mid/histakes

http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/bfl4me

On January 30 2009 00:01 whamm! wrote: who is the nittiest winning player?

Joe

kelisitaaaaaaan

20 buck spin is a demon beast machine

i wouldnt call him a grinder though.


leatherass has highest winrate cause he game selects a ton. keli is prob a bigger winner than him in the same games though

i dunno if bflme and 20 buck are even mass grinders anymore, they are playing 25/50+ a good amount of the time. The other 3 grind different things, nanonoko destroys 2/4 6 max, leatherass 5/10 6 max and kelistaan ALL FULL RING

hey myth do you still destroy kelisitaan?

On January 30 2009 00:37 Daut wrote: 20 buck spin is a demon beast machine i wouldnt call him a grinder though.

well the reason i included him as a mass grinder is seeing his graph on 2p2: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/.../2008-graph-thread-372467/index4.html (username = Trivial)

over 1m hands seems like a lot for someone who's not a grinder

On January 29 2009 23:06 TheReason wrote: between kelisitaan, nanonoko, bfl4me, 20 Buck Spin, Leatherass, any others in their league i might be forgetting, who do you think is best?

1.- http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/20+buck+spin

2.- http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/leatherass9

3.- http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/kelisitaan

4.- http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/nanonoko

5.- http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/bfl4me

can't believe i used to play against this guy ages ago at nl100

http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/molswi47

On January 30 2009 00:43 acdawg712 wrote: hey myth do you still destroy kelisitaan?

he got way way better and started destroying my life

never played with him again

but yeh i agree that we gotta include deldar and he prob best

kelisitaan

On January 30 2009 00:40 acdawg712 wrote: i dunno if bflme and 20 buck are even mass grinders anymore, they are playing 25/50+ a good amount of the time. The other 3 grind different things, nanonoko destroys 2/4 6 max, leatherass 5/10 6 max and kelistaan ALL FULL RING

keli plays 6max now too as well as leatherass plays fr

http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/sirracksalot

bann

HERO
http://www.pokertableratings.com/grap...t=&site=fulltilt'>Hoss_TBF's Poker Profits</a>
http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/hoss_tbf

online poker is broken

piscogay obv

Btw what do you think about sobraoboy? Ive always thought he made way more then he should have but that he was good nontheless and now it seems he is breaking even at 2/4 3/6 for over 600k hands??

leatherass

bfl4me and 20 buck spin seem best from that list

you guys are ignorant

krmont22 and it's not even close. if you're going to count a non hold em guy.

Jorj95
SNG grinder I think he made 3M vpps last year

On January 30 2009 06:01 Ket wrote: bfl4me and 20 buck spin seem best from that list

what are you serious? bfl4me is break even for 400k hands and look at Keli's graph, constant graph at +400k dollars

good lord keli and nano are monsters.

On January 30 2009 03:57 EvilSky wrote: piscogay obv

haha what stakes does piscogay play these days

On January 30 2009 04:00 EvilSky wrote: Btw what do you think about sobraoboy? Ive always thought he made way more then he should have but that he was good nontheless and now it seems he is breaking even at 2/4 3/6 for over 600k hands??

yep he was breaking even but now he seems to be running good . he just put himself a goal tu win 100k in 2 months ,you can find more info about that in his blog http://sobraoboy.com/ if you understand spanish obv ;p

Yeah I dont read his blog very often but I saw he wanted to make a propbet and was gonna snapcall but he says he wont do it at the end

On January 30 2009 03:09 C0n5pir4cy wrote: HERO http://www.pokertableratings.com/grap...t=&site=fulltilt'>Hoss_TBF's Poker Profits</a> http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/hoss_tbf

http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/matt+hawrilenko

On January 29 2009 23:56 Bigbobm wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2009 23:51 DooMeR wrote: kelisitaan for sure. he makes the most too if ur wondering not sure how seriously you can take doomers advice hes got sort of a man crush on kelisitaan.

confirmed

mass grinder means they play 12-24 tables all the time ?

everyone from that list is good

though it is lacking in deldar who would be #1 above all of them imo ;p

On January 30 2009 08:20 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2009 06:01 Ket wrote: bfl4me and 20 buck spin seem best from that list what are you serious? bfl4me is break even for 400k hands and look at Keli's graph, constant graph at +400k dollars

my measure of 'best' was the ones that would have the most unfavourable effect on my winrate if they were on my tables playing shorthanded or headsup with me

On January 30 2009 13:09 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2009 08:20 Baal wrote:   On January 30 2009 06:01 Ket wrote: bfl4me and 20 buck spin seem best from that list what are you serious? bfl4me is break even for 400k hands and look at Keli's graph, constant graph at +400k dollars my measure of 'best' was the ones that would have the most unfavourable effect on my winrate if they were on my tables playing shorthanded or headsup with me

Hmm, judging by his graph I always thought 20 Buck Spin was one insanely sick monster...

In tough games.. BFL=20buck>LA>keli>nano

people really make way too many mistakes vs someone like keli or LA.. they are actually very easy to play, anyone losing alot to these players have some big problems adapting to the player imo, they are still very good though

When you wrongly think that you're ready for the next level: http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/bfl4me

On January 30 2009 15:56 Maynard! wrote: When you wrongly think that you're ready for the next level: http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/bfl4me

yeesh he really didn't(doesn't?) want to give up on nl1k does he

I feel keli is really solid at smallball poker but I've seen him make quite a few mistakes in 3bet pots.
Also, I'm the best multitabling FR player. duh!

he who makes the most money wins poker

20 buck spin because he has a day of the tentacle avatar

Hm, I never played with Kelisitaan ever, played with all the others but more than 8 months back.

For what I remember, 20 Buck Spin was definately the toughest to play against, but I always thought he was a bit too spewy. He prolly got alot better since then or maybe I got a false impression by running good against him longterm (i won quite a decent bit from him).

LeatherAss seemed always very solid, but like RaSZi said, really not too visible at the tables.

bfl4me I dunno, I always thought he had some kind of Fancy Play Syndrome. Definately annoying, but for what I remember he had a bit too many leaks. Prolly got better later, I dunno.

Nanonoko I was always impressed how he manages to play quite a normal (aka not huge nit) game at so many tables. Never thought of him as of a very tough opponent though.

iu think raszi has been playin for like fuckin 24 hours straight? this dude is sick..put him on the list in like a couple months if he can bank some big cash

on the subject of mass grinding and vpps, what level of SNGS do u have to start playing @ for it to start really picking up and you to get supernova?



edit: after looking it looks to me like at very least u would need to play the 27$ sngs.. 2$ of rake each one, should get you like 10$ an hour rakeback.. i think