Seat Belt Laws - Page 2

On February 22 2009 12:47 WastedGate wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2009 12:29 Orome wrote: The guy not wearing a seatbelt endangers everyone else in the car, not wearing a seatbelt can hurt others. This post wins

lol so wait if the other guys in the car are afraid of their lives because the driver isn't wearing a seat belt (!),aren't they supposed to tell him something about it?
I can imagine you guys getting into a car to see that the driver wears no seat belt,then you get embarrassed about your fear and just breath out in relief that there's a law about seat belts, so that when you ask him to put it on he'll think that you are lawful citizens instead of scared for your lives.

I tell you one day people are going to vote for obligatory daily exercise. Gun carrying police officers are going to wake us up every day and force us to defeat cholesterol on a daily basis.
Because one day a driver might have a heart attack by the evil cholesterol and bring everyone in the car to a premature and tragic death. The guys who fearlessly allowed a fat guy drive them home can't obviously be held responsible for their choice,the state must protect them!

On February 22 2009 13:47 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2009 12:47 WastedGate wrote:   On February 22 2009 12:29 Orome wrote: The guy not wearing a seatbelt endangers everyone else in the car, not wearing a seatbelt can hurt others. This post wins lol so wait if the other guys in the car are afraid of their lives because the driver isn't wearing a seat belt (!),aren't they supposed to tell him something about it? I can imagine you guys getting into a car to see that the driver wears no seat belt,then you get embarrassed about your fear and just breath out in relief that there's a law about seat belts, so that when you ask him to put it on he'll think that you are lawful citizens instead of scared for your lives.

and what about if its a CHILD thats in the car with the unbelted adults? your argument is stupid. it endagers the LIVES of other people in the car when an unbelted passenger is flying around the inside of the cab during the accident.

too much government in USA. we need less stupid laws and less high priced bureaucrats to tell us how to live. this country hasn't had true 'freedom' for a long time and we are moving rapidly towards socialism. even Premier Vladimir Putin warned us that we are fast becoming a former land of the free

wastedgate,

who said anything about passengers?

who is forcing people to drive with people who aren't wearing seat belts? if you don't feel safe in a vehicle with someone who is not wearing a seat belt, then do not enter vehicles containing people who do not wear seat belts. if someone will not wear one in the car per your request, seek alternate transportation.

believe it or not, humans are capable of making their own decisions.

On February 22 2009 12:39 genjix wrote: stop bitching like a girl. in uk we have mandatory seat belts and funnily enough these kinds of laws actually get people to take notice of these things and do them (like not having your dog shit everywhere which is a common courtesy but no one bothered with before it became illegal and now is socially unacceptable). it saves lives so its a good thing go to some country (like iran) where they have a traffic system but no traffic laws and people drive like shit- down the wrong side of the road, dont abide by lanes, turn into incoming traffic, dont obey lights, never stop for pedestrians (just slow down/swerve around you)... traffic accidents are humongous but then again drivers deserve their liberties

how am i bitching like a girl exactly? if anyone sounds like they're bitching like a girl it's most certainly you.

and in what way did i advocate having an iranian lawless traffic system? there's sufficient information out there informing the public that wearing a seatbelt is the most safe way to travel via car. why should it be government business to enforce everyone living in a safe manner? it would save lives if we rationed food, would it be a good thing if the UK made sure you only ate a certain amount of cholesterol per day, punishable by fine if you did not choose to comply?

your argument is weak and pathetic, try again.

If you're not wearing a seat belt when you get into an accident you might fly through the windshield and land on an old lady walking nearby who would have otherwise been an uninjured witness but is now a victim, you selfish bastard.

jk jk jk =)

Yeah I hear ya. It's weird cause I agree with you on seatbelts but kind of wish something was done about obesity - like if you become a disgusting lardass piece of shit some hell should be rained down upon you, because it is NOT natural. The only fat people I've seen in india are rich people or lazy people. In the USA so many people are overweight it's fucking ridiculous and makes me feel pretty disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen WTF people, eat a fucking salad now and then. We have way too much access to shit we don't need here in the USA. We over consume with no regard for the environmental or personal consequences.

Anyway, about marijuana I'm also with you.

On February 22 2009 14:12 nolan wrote: wastedgate, who said anything about passengers? who is forcing people to drive with people who aren't wearing seat belts? if you don't feel safe in a vehicle with someone who is not wearing a seat belt, then do not enter vehicles containing people who do not wear seat belts. if someone will not wear one in the car per your request, seek alternate transportation. believe it or not, humans are capable of making their own decisions.

like i said before, what about kids who CANT make that decision?

On February 22 2009 13:05 failsafe wrote: seat belt laws, air bags, and crumple frames increase how often drivers crash. if you're driving around in a bubble that prevents you from dying, you're a lot less likely to care about getting in a crash. the answer to driver safety problems is to attach a bayonet to the steering column and angle the bayonet toward the driver's chest. the other problem with these safety measures is that without serious, life-threatening injuries to drivers and passengers, there's a lot less opportunity to harvest the organs of "cadaveric" donors (still living but non-functioning, in this case). safe cars limit how often stupid people's organs can be transplanted into smart people. on this forum there should be a huge push for a return to the days of good old american rolling iron.

best post in this thread!!!! roflmao!

And I am a bit torn cause part of me does believe in letting stupid people die, natural selection, survival of the fitest and all that jazz. We do so much to save people from themselves that we're keeping more and more idiots on this planet than nature intended. We're already having population explosion all over the world. Letting the idiots kill themselves would help deal with that problem.

But at the same time I believe in universal health care, cause it's a human right to have access to medical treatment. BUT it's funny, cause my GF and I were talking about universal healthcare during the election and we both agreed that it should be free to everyone who got sick or hurt by accident, no fault of their own, but idiots should get a fine. Like if you get lung cancer due to smoking then you gotta pay for any medical treatment related to that, but if you get bitten by a mosquito and get malaria then you should be taken care of for free. So this would apply in our seatbetl scenario - if you were wearing a seatbelt and still got injured in a car crash you'd get free medical treatment, and if you were NOT wearing a seatbelt you'd have to pay for all your medical bills. This way we can get rid of the seatbelt laws but at the same time encourage people to wear them, and not feel a need to make it a law because of the cost to the govt to fix people who weren't wearing seatbelts cause those idiots have to pay for their own bills.

I definitely lean left and towards more socialist style of govt in certain areas like healthcare, education and so on, but I don't believe in losing accountability. You act like an idiot you don't get the benefits of the free shit.

Thanks for the laugh. Some of the most flawed reasoning and extrapolations I have ever read. Magnificent effort.

your a good man nolan, i dont read these super long blog posts but the title is cool

BTW hows the rap carrer coming along?

I agree with nolan's general point. I don't know any research or anything along with it, but I too feel less safe when someone is in the car with me without a seatbelt. I'm pretty sure debris flying around in cars is a major source of injury in vehicular accidents.

i think nolans blog should be a featured blog. But yea im with nolan on this one.. i thought NH had a great system setup with the seatbelt laws and just those types of laws in general.. with all these bailouts and things that are going on, gov is getting closer and closer and reaching further and further.. i really think someone needs to keep um in check..

Just another reason to pull you over, and another reason you have to pay the government. In IL they raised the prices on all motor related tickets. Speeding, no seat belt, no insurance ect. They More then doubled of what it used to be. Also in IL if you get 2 moving violation tickets you get your license suspended for 6 months. That means if i forget to use my signal 2 times and get pulled over from the time i get my license till im 21, ill get my license taken away. How the fuck are ppl supposed to do anything in US without a license.
Another ridiculous law they have here is if you get (2 or 3, not sure exactly) drinking tickets (not driving related) you also get your license suspended.

I think everybody should wear the seatbelt and people who dont are stupid idiots however i dont believe its the gobernment's job to enforce things like this, freedom is much more important.

On February 22 2009 14:36 WastedGate wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2009 14:12 nolan wrote: wastedgate, who said anything about passengers? who is forcing people to drive with people who aren't wearing seat belts? if you don't feel safe in a vehicle with someone who is not wearing a seat belt, then do not enter vehicles containing people who do not wear seat belts. if someone will not wear one in the car per your request, seek alternate transportation. believe it or not, humans are capable of making their own decisions. like i said before, what about kids who CANT make that decision?

really ridiculous. Fine,make a law about endangering minors by not wearing a seat belt,include old ladies suffering from alzheimer's etc.
I want to hear your reasons for the rest 90% of cases of traveling alone or with sane adults, or for the helmet scenario.
Why the fuck does someone have to pay a fine for not driving with a helmet?
You refuse to focus on the unacceptable philosophy behind these laws and instead you desperately try to bring up specific scenarios to justify the overall absurdity

fuck i am so torn on this issue

but i mean... i have some friends who probably wouldn't wear seatbelts if they didn't have to (it's the law here). and i really would NOT like them to ever die or end up in wheelchairs because of this.

just think if you have some friends or an uncle who probably wouldn't wear a seatbelt every time, it would be absolutely devastating if they died in an accident. and while almost everyone knows that a seatbelt is important, some would still underestimate how much it would make a difference in a crash

Yes, seat belt laws a pretty bad in the sense that it's the government telling us what to do. However the reality is that in our current system, if some idiot who doesn't wear a seat belt gets smashed up and can't pay his hospitals bills, the tax dollars do (through different avenues). Plus there's rehab, ambulances, etc.