Earthlings (documentary) - Page 11

Animals are cute
The cutest will taste the best
Let's find a butcher



This thread was shitty
It was saved by two heroes
Genjix; Steal City

Your Haiku's are more gay than this picture

On February 24 2009 13:21 genjix wrote:

On February 25 2009 12:44 brambolius wrote: There you go again You are defending yourself The Hawk eats the Owl (let's make this a haiku thread from nao on all, it will be fun and we won't have to wade through page after page to get a clue about wtf is going on )

So intrinsically if I am not ignoring what is said to me it means I'm defending myself? When I speak about defending myself to me it implies that I have a standpoint or something particular that I take to heart to defend which I clearly (at least for me) don't. In other words, being emotionally involved.

now you're defending your post saying you werent defending

haha

This game is no fun.

lol I couldn't help thinking about you CrownRoyal when watching this funny shaped-head guy talk

ugh i watched 4 minutes and i couldnt handle it anymore.

i'm not biased towards either side, this dude is clearly anti vegan and you are clearly straight vegan.

im somewhere in the middle as far as the issue as a whole i was just playing devils advocate a bit because i like to be able to completely empathize with you.

This guy clearly is very misinformed and arrogant which you were in the thread earlier, even if the standpoint differs. And my beliefs are my beliefs, even though I do have solid facts to back them up as being legitimate I don't impose them on anyone, whereas this guy is not only imposing his beliefs over on vegetarians he's also spouting a lot of ignorance.

On February 25 2009 05:42 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2009 14:26 Baal wrote:   On February 24 2009 13:57 SakiSaki wrote:   On February 24 2009 12:59 Baal wrote:   On February 24 2009 09:57 SakiSaki wrote: As much as I in general always have felt some despise towards idealists(for no real reason I might add) the faked pragmatism and nihilism of our generation seriously fucking pisses me off. Everyone is hiding behind bogus pragmatic excuses for doing nothing when 90% of the time the motives are simply egotistical and the driving factor is lazyness. Its funny how nobody ever provides a better argument for eating meat than simply "i enjoy it" which in my opinion is an unacceptable excuse for making animals suffer. You cant just disregard the message of PETA because they are on a high horse, have dreadlocks or smell funny, and you definitely cant look down on them. They are doing the world a greater service than most of you guys ever will. As for eating meat, I dont necessarily think its anything wrong with killing an animal to eat it in terms of just the act of killing, the world wide implications excluded. However, making animals suffer in the process is unacceptable. I wouldnt be suprised if in 200 years people will look upon how we treat animals today in a similar way that all of us look at slavery. Im not saying animals and humans are equal, but that doesnt give us a free pass to do whatever the fuck we want with a cow. Personally I have been thinking of going vegetarian on and off for years, I still havent managed to take that step and that doesnt make me feel good. However, I almost exclusively eat meat from swedish organic farms which are pretty well regulated and where I like to think the suffering of the animals is minimal. That is probably not a good enough justification in terms of moral responsibility though, but atleast I have the balls to admit it. To Loco: Mad props sir, you have a stronger character than me and for that I applaude you. To CrownRoyal: It seems you have similar delusions of grandeur regarding intellect as you have in poker. Guess what? If this thread was a poker game, you would be the micro stakes grinder. I eat meat because its extremely enjoyable and tasty is not a good reason? dude you have your priorities fucked up here, last time i checked i have extreme priorities in enjoying my life every second as possible in everything i do. If you think its not relevant to give up what you consider a total pleasure every single day for the rest of your life then your retarded, because it is for people who like meat, most vegans werent big fans of meat anyway (despise what some say lol) i know many people who rarely eats meat not because of dumb moral views, just because they dont like it much and/or its hard to digest. Well, I guess you and I are just diffrent. I dont build my moral beliefs around what is always best for me. I am prepared to make sacrefices to do what I think I am morally obligated to. Your moral reasoning makes you close to a psychopath oh... but you do, because you build your morale around "not eating meat" saving the planet that way, when just donating cash is much much much more efficient and will help more, so you actually do build your morale on what is best for you, not on what is best for everbody else, because quiting meat gives you a sense of acomplishment, makes you feel good, atleast more than donating, regardless of the results of both. This is for both, you and loco, how come you quit eating meat and you are sitting on dozens of thousands of dollars withouth donating considerable amounts. I wouldnt stop eating meat to "save the planet". I would stop eating meat primarily because I am against animal cruelty. Like I have stated before, I wouldnt really have a moral problem with eating meat if it was guaranteed to have come from a cow that was treated ok. It is pretty arrogant of you to assume that everyone takes the same egotistical aproach to morality as you do. Now the whole reasources aspect of this is a complex issue which I havent really decided on yet but I think its pretty naive to say that you can just donate a bunch of money instead. The population of the world is growing rapidly and money cant really magicly create new fields to grow crop on. Oh and I do donate a fair bit, probably not nearly enough as people like Peter Singer would want me to but we are all more or less flawed in that department. I dont really see how that is an argument for me to keep eating meat though? Just because I am not jesus I might aswell be satan huh?

Well atleast in here you can find quality meat from cow from farms and not massive slaughter house, the quality is much muuuuuuuhc better, obv pricier tho, so there, find a place like this and u can enjoy tasty meat.

I dont assume everyone takes an egoistical aproach of morality "like i do", (i dont at all), i assumed that only if Loco "refused" to donate when its a more effective way of helping his cases, imo Vegans who dont donate etc are absolute fakes who do it for themselves, but that shouldnt be news, most people plain suck.

Saki money can actually improve sooo many things, planting threes is extremely cheap, however donating things for petty things while people literally starve to death in Africa seems ridiculous to me.

Well you do donate, nice to see you are true to your beliefs, i never claimed that u have to give everything away or be satan, all i said is that you shouldnt give something away for ego trips, as most people in these organizations do.

lol yeah Baal you sure do know the true purpose of most vegans. They obviously do it for how well they are perceived in the world for their choices, rofl. 'Fake vegan' is possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a few weeks.

I'll let you know though, from my personal experiences, the vegans I've talked to are some of the most sensible, caring and authentic people I have ever known. If you knew some of them personally and weren't so busy being so judgmental because of PETA activists and all the bullshit behind that you would probably see this too.

Baal you do know that I've put myself under a lot of stress for a month to make a $6000 donation for my favorite band to release a new record because they were broken up? That is quite meaningless (the band) compared to everything that I stand for when it comes to animals and the environment yet you doubt my authenticity as being a generous and caring person.

I went on a vegan diet last year for about 3 months, and during that period I felt more healthy and had more energy then ever before in my life.

My primary reason I decided to become a vegan was for my health and strengthening my discipline; secondary reason was because of animal cruelty, effects on the environment, etc.

After 3 months I started craving seafood (the chicken/beef/pork imitations were good and kept me satisfied) and eventually gave into my temptations one night. Nowadays I try to avoid eating beef/pork/chicken but I don't think I'll be going back to being a vegan again anytime soon.

When someone does good/donates to charity stop bringing up other things that would to more good. Be happy someone does something. It's as dumb as selfish people justifying their selfishness by saying people who donate are selfish too because they do it to feel better about themselves. Be happy someone does something, etc.

On February 25 2009 13:26 Loco wrote: So intrinsically if I am not ignoring what is said to me it means I'm defending myself? When I speak about defending myself to me it implies that I have a standpoint or something particular that I take to heart to defend which I clearly (at least for me) don't. In other words, being emotionally involved.

Your standpoint is being emotionally uninvolved, which is what you believe grants you moral superiority over those who argue with your opinions. What you fail to realize is that in creating this thread and many of your other posts you have in fact made an argument and become emotionally involved, much as you might like to convince yourself otherwise. The inherent hypocrisy of your attitudes is obvious to everyone but you.

I didn't say I wasn't emotionally involved at any point in the thread did I? It is very clear that I am emotionally involved for the animals and the environment in this thread, is it not? I was responding to the initial post that said I had replied by being defensive... which was not the case. I was saying that I was not taking any offense in the fact that you called me self-centered and didn't feel the need to defend myself from that statement, because I know for fact that it is not the case. It is pretty low of you to use that paragraph and use it as you please to cast me as an hypocrite.

You're the only who appears to still be threatened by my moral stance in this thread and I can't blame you, it's something that a lot of people feel about vegans and I simply can't help it. I know that I don't see myself as being 'perfect' and superior to anyone because of it, so yes, it does not concern me if you say that I do. You saying that I am oblivious to that also would be quite ridiculous.