I tried cutting out milk from my diet for a few months and didn't really notice a change. Went back to milk with cereal/yogurts/ice cream and nothing came of it either. What were some of the negative effects?
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The biggest ignorance of the various environmental movements is the concept that we are doing anything to "Save the Earth" or "Protect Bio-Diversity."
Flat out the planet is going to be here whether we human beings are around to see it or not. What we do is to save ourselves. The straight-up reality is that resources around the world are dwindling away fairly quickly and human beings are consuming more than the Earth can give on a yearly basis well at the same time producing incredible amounts of waste. The environment generally isn't an overly important political issue in most countries. The general consensus among most populations is a feeling of crossing fingers to hope that science and technology advancements will save all of humanities problems or that I will die before these problems are significant to the world I live in.
The goal for humanity isn't to save the planet or the biodiversity of the planet because it's pretty and we want our kids to be able to see how pretty it is, it's for our own survival as a species. Nature does a shitload of important natural processes that would cost an incredible amount of money and require inventing several new technologies to replace. It is in the best interest of mankind to find a way to bring consumption into line with only using renewable resources and trying to make human society as green as possible.
On February 23 2009 17:11 Bejamin1 wrote:
The biggest ignorance of the various environmental movements is the concept that we are doing anything to "Save the Earth" or "Protect Bio-Diversity."
Flat out the planet is going to be here whether we human beings are around to see it or not. What we do is to save ourselves. The straight-up reality is that resources around the world are dwindling away fairly quickly and human beings are consuming more than the Earth can give on a yearly basis well at the same time producing incredible amounts of waste. The environment generally isn't an overly important political issue in most countries. The general consensus among most populations is a feeling of crossing fingers to hope that science and technology advancements will save all of humanities problems or that I will die before these problems are significant to the world I live in.
The goal for humanity isn't to save the planet or the biodiversity of the planet because it's pretty and we want our kids to be able to see how pretty it is, it's for our own survival as a species. Nature does a shitload of important natural processes that would cost an incredible amount of money and require inventing several new technologies to replace. It is in the best interest of mankind to find a way to bring consumption into line with only using renewable resources and trying to make human society as green as possible.
read a thread before posting in it please...
We are not discussing saving biodiversity or the planet, we are discussing animal treatment here.
For the record i also belive "saving the planet" is retarded and its just a movement for idiots who want to be part of something big: oh thanks for driving an hidrogen car, you are such a mankind saver, just right next to Kakaroto.
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milkman United States. Feb 23 2009 19:26. Posts 5719
On February 23 2009 16:33 milkman wrote:
lol im kinda scared to watch it, but i cant ever turn down a documentary, watching docs is my #1 way to learn now days. ill post my response after i watch it. brb!
i watched the whole thing, and i want my time back.. this video wasnt a documentary, it was a fucking hour and a half long PETA recruitment ad. It was TOTALLY one sided, and didnt touch or go in depth on many things that were worth talking about. It was just like Americas Funniest Home Videos, but switch funny, with sick fucked up rednecks treating animals horribly.. and no Bob Saget, they just picked out the worst videos they could find from every type of animal killing, slopped um all together and put a "Documentary" tag on it.. what a horrible piece of crap.
if you want to watch a good documentary, check out PBS frontline docs, voodoos war, and the meltdown r two that i really liked.
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On February 23 2009 15:50 Zealeo wrote:
I get by pretty good with just milk, protein powder, eggs and fish. I've never really eaten a lot of beef and pork to begin with, it's packed with saturated fat anyway. I've dropped poultry as well even though it's fucking delicious.
theres a lot and very reliable information about how unhealthy milk is for adults, and well it makes sense since no other animal consumes milk after they reach maturity.
That's unfortunate. I figure people have been drinking milk for a very long time now and things seem to be going alright. There are too many other things I need to worry about killing me than fucking milk.
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milkman United States. Feb 23 2009 19:37. Posts 5719
On February 23 2009 15:50 Zealeo wrote:
I get by pretty good with just milk, protein powder, eggs and fish. I've never really eaten a lot of beef and pork to begin with, it's packed with saturated fat anyway. I've dropped poultry as well even though it's fucking delicious.
theres a lot and very reliable information about how unhealthy milk is for adults, and well it makes sense since no other animal consumes milk after they reach maturity.
That's unfortunate. I figure people have been drinking milk for a very long time now and things seem to be going alright. There are too many other things I need to worry about killing me than fucking milk.
i dont drink milk either just because it doesnt fit into my diet anywhere, not for any reason, i guess i just dont like it t much.. but what r some other good sources of calcium? or w/e it is in milk that help keep ur bones strong.. cuz i kinda worry about that sometimes.
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On February 23 2009 15:50 Zealeo wrote:
I get by pretty good with just milk, protein powder, eggs and fish. I've never really eaten a lot of beef and pork to begin with, it's packed with saturated fat anyway. I've dropped poultry as well even though it's fucking delicious.
theres a lot and very reliable information about how unhealthy milk is for adults, and well it makes sense since no other animal consumes milk after they reach maturity.
That's unfortunate. I figure people have been drinking milk for a very long time now and things seem to be going alright. There are too many other things I need to worry about killing me than fucking milk.
i dont drink milk either just because it doesnt fit into my diet anywhere, not for any reason, i guess i just dont like it t much.. but what r some other good sources of calcium? or w/e it is in milk that help keep ur bones strong.. cuz i kinda worry about that sometimes.
I like to take multi-vitamins since I probably don't get enough of everything from my diet alone. You'll get calcium from most dairy products. Cheese, yogurt, etc. I drink a fair bit of milk but only skim, there is an unbelievable amount of fat in even 2% milk.
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SugoGosu Korea (South). Feb 23 2009 19:51. Posts 1793
milkman wrote:[/B]
i dont drink milk either just because it doesnt fit into my diet anywhere, not for any reason, i guess i just dont like it t much.. but what r some other good sources of calcium? or w/e it is in milk that help keep ur bones strong.. cuz i kinda worry about that sometimes.
am i missing something? lol
But on topic, the meats that we consume on a mass scale, especially in America, are filled with vitamins, and chemicals to support the mass demand. If you search for it, you can find steak and beef, chicken etc... Where its not produced for the mass demand, and instead produced for the sake of the good taste.
In fact, when you go to the grocery story, and order a Grade A beef or steak, it's just how the steak looks, not what's in it. There are many farmers where you can usually find at farmers markets etc... where the meat is going to cost you more, but the cows that made the meat were raised in their natural environment. what I mean by this, is that they eat what cows eat in the wild, instead of the bio-fueled corn chunks, or the pigs are not eating the remains of other pigs. After going to the slaughter house, instead of being chemically aged, it is hung in a freezer which you see in the old movies. They are "dry aged" and thus, it is way better than your mere "grade A beef".
I still like my Fuddruckers burgers, and my McDonalds chicken nuggets, but if I really wanted to eat healthy, I would still eat my steak, and my hamburgers, I'd still eat my chicken, I just would make sure where I'm getting it, the animals were raised in a more natural environment, and the meat non-chemically aged.
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On February 23 2009 15:50 Zealeo wrote:
I get by pretty good with just milk, protein powder, eggs and fish. I've never really eaten a lot of beef and pork to begin with, it's packed with saturated fat anyway. I've dropped poultry as well even though it's fucking delicious.
theres a lot and very reliable information about how unhealthy milk is for adults, and well it makes sense since no other animal consumes milk after they reach maturity.
That's unfortunate. I figure people have been drinking milk for a very long time now and things seem to be going alright. There are too many other things I need to worry about killing me than fucking milk.
i dont drink milk either just because it doesnt fit into my diet anywhere, not for any reason, i guess i just dont like it t much.. but what r some other good sources of calcium? or w/e it is in milk that help keep ur bones strong.. cuz i kinda worry about that sometimes.
Well according to those numbers ironically Milk doesnt allow calcium to be fixated on the bones leading to osteoporosis.
On February 23 2009 16:33 milkman wrote:
lol im kinda scared to watch it, but i cant ever turn down a documentary, watching docs is my #1 way to learn now days. ill post my response after i watch it. brb!
i watched the whole thing, and i want my time back.. this video wasnt a documentary, it was a fucking hour and a half long PETA recruitment ad. It was TOTALLY one sided, and didnt touch or go in depth on many things that were worth talking about. It was just like Americas Funniest Home Videos, but switch funny, with sick fucked up rednecks treating animals horribly.. and no Bob Saget, they just picked out the worst videos they could find from every type of animal killing, slopped um all together and put a "Documentary" tag on it.. what a horrible piece of crap.
if you want to watch a good documentary, check out PBS frontline docs, voodoos war, and the meltdown r two that i really liked.
how long is it, just to check if its worth watching just to bash loco if it sucks
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TalentedTom Canada. Feb 23 2009 21:08. Posts 20070
no way am i gonna stop eating delicious juicy stakes
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MezmerizePLZ United States. Feb 23 2009 21:29. Posts 2598
that video made me hungry, brb cook steak
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WastedGate United States. Feb 23 2009 21:46. Posts 667
On February 23 2009 17:25 Baal wrote:
read a thread before posting in it please...
We are not discussing saving biodiversity or the planet, we are discussing animal treatment here.
For the record i also belive "saving the planet" is retarded and its just a movement for idiots who want to be part of something big: oh thanks for driving an hidrogen car, you are such a mankind saver, just right next to Kakaroto.
Actually i think we ARE talking about how our appetite for meat is not only immoral (for some people) but that it is damaging our environment.
Playing off environmentalism as a trendy fad is beyond ignorant. Its like being cool with pissing and shitting all over yourself and where you sleep. Which is exactly what polluting our environment amounts to.
wait wha?
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MayZerG United Kingdom. Feb 23 2009 21:49. Posts 2123
what the fuck at the dude dropping a massive rock/brick onto the dead pigs head
fucking disgusting video and a disgrace to human beings
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traxamillion United States. Feb 23 2009 21:52. Posts 10468
i love animals but i am eating whatever the fuck i want no hesitation
We are not discussing saving biodiversity or the planet, we are discussing animal treatment here.
For the record i also belive "saving the planet" is retarded and its just a movement for idiots who want to be part of something big: oh thanks for driving an hidrogen car, you are such a mankind saver, just right next to Kakaroto.
Actually i think we ARE talking about how our appetite for meat is not only immoral (for some people) but that it is damaging our environment.
Playing off environmentalism as a trendy fad is beyond ignorant. Its like being cool with pissing and shitting all over yourself and where you sleep. Which is exactly what polluting our environment amounts to.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most enviromentalists are fucking trendy retards who dont even do their homework about the stuff they defend, for more information look at this:
well if a 0% human impact turned into a 3% impact on a stable and sensitive environment ... what im saying is who's to say a 3% impact isn't extremely significant? not that theres anything we can do about it
the one thing you should take away from these environment people is that they DO look to the "longterm". no politicians or businessmen or governments give a flying fuck about what the world is gonna be like in the next 20 or 50 or 100 years.... im glad that someone is interested in it (and they have to get their money and support in a variety of ways)
well if a 0% human impact turned into a 3% impact on a stable and sensitive environment ... what im saying is who's to say a 3% impact isn't extremely significant? not that theres anything we can do about it
the one thing you should take away from these environment people is that they DO look to the "longterm". no politicians or businessmen or governments give a flying fuck about what the world is gonna be like in the next 20 or 50 or 100 years.... im glad that someone is interested in it (and they have to get their money and support in a variety of ways)
watch the c02 swing graph on thousand on years from the north pole ice records and u will see why 3% is meaningless.
I'd also like to point out that I respect the choices of people who eat meat, but I don't respect the cowards who are afraid to see the truth behind it.
This is such a childish sentence. OOOh meat eaters are evil ooh.
The problem isnt in eating meat at all. The problem is far far more complex.
You have sex without planning for a child? Youre at fault. Youre overpopulating this planet.
You use condom? Well you can still get pregnant with condoms, they give it 10% fault rate, and as a poker player u know that on a 6 billion planet that matters.
You dont use condom but your girlfriend is on a pill? Well pill is 100 times more dangerous then what they put in our meat.
On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote:
I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs.
I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening.
Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being.
like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption.
I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots.
I don't care. It has no relevance whether you want the situation to be improved, it simply is not happening and it won't happen, it's wishful thinking. And if it was to happen you'd pay more for your meat, you wouldn't want that would you? I've already mentioned how idiotic I thought the whole "there are worse things in the world happening, so the animals and environment is the least of our worries" was, you need to understand that it sparks from the exact same place but with food consumption you can actually make a difference! Whereas you are a silent observer to those other things happening in the world.
the difference in price in my meat would be unnoticable if animals are treated correctly, i dont know how i can make a difference... by not eating meat? oh yeah that will teach them... sorry but i enjoy my meat sir, animals should be treated better, if there is a petition, ill sign it, if there is a vote on it, ill vote, but i wont stop eating meat, its stupid.
?? Of course that will do a difference. What if everybody was as insensible and indifferent as you on the matter? There would be no vegans and vegetarians, do you need to see more numbers to see how much of a difference they make? I like meat too, I'm just aware that I don't need it to be healthy and it doesn't make me sleep better at night to comfort myself that it is the WORLD that inflicts pain on the animals and that I don't personally want it but I have to deal with it! That's fucking bullshit and it's a child's mentality, everyone does its part and you encourage them to keep up with their practices by eating meat. Just don't kid yourself about it and try to convince yourself that you care.
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