Earthlings (documentary) - Page 5

This is tilting me pretty hard, people stop eating meat and post a link to a documentary on some forum and they feel like their consciousness has been cleared, their good deed is done.
I propose u volunteer, or better yet donate money to people who know what theyre doing. Cos right now youre doing nothing but fancying yourself.

On February 23 2009 13:38 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 11:40 Loco wrote: I meant that in a general way, I was not genuinely asking Baal or anyone if they would want that. It's just not happening. yeah its not happening, and its not the fault of meat eating people its the fault of the government, who are the only ones who can enforce slaughter houses to do stuff. so to raise awareness of this is obviously a very good thing, wanting to people to become vegetarians is just retarded. BTW what is the exact diffrence between a vegetarian, a vegan and a microbiotic, and what are the "philosophies" behind those.

what's retarded about taking care of the environment and wanting to let animals live a natural life? we aren't God, we aren't superior to animals they inhabit our planet and we share it with them. it is no longer a necessity to kill them, let alone a necessity to produce so much meat and unnaturally. becoming vegan/vegetarian is the one best thing a person can do in their life by simply making a choice -- if you have morals. there is nothing that can have a bigger impact on the planet than this unless you're a public speaker or whatever.


vegans don't eat any animal products at all, vegetarian don't eat animal flesh including fish but eat dairy products.

On February 23 2009 14:47 CrownRoyal wrote: you guys have no idea what my values are, I think people should have to pass tests to have kids and there should be check ups to make sure the kid is being raised right, if he isnt give him to sterile parents that are qualified. Then we come so much closer to utopia it's ridiculous. animal rights is retarded

wow you have values?

you're right there should be check ups and for yourself they should've dumped you in a dumpster

On February 23 2009 15:20 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 08:01 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 06:38 Neutral Milk wrote: Predators can eat meat but it's immoral for humans to do so? Nature built us to be omnivores, although admittedly we probly eat a lot more meat than is necessary Do you think you're the first person who brings up this argument? WE'RE OMNIVORES FUCK THIS, NATURE'S LAW!! No, fuck that. That's fucking bullshit. The food is not even NATURAL. Most of the shit you eat is processed and the meat you eat is full of hormones, antibiotics and other shit which only ups your chances of getting cancer and multiple other diseases. Vegans and vegetarians are much more healthy and disease free and it has been proven in researches. It is immoral if you know what's going on behind the industry, yes. It's also immoral if you consider that eating is meant to feed the body and isn't supposed to be immense pleasure or glutonny. The body can be perfectly healthy without eating animals or animal products, nobody has any excuses for the slaughter of all the animals that they eat, except laziness and pleasure from it. You need to whatch more House ^^ how 2 vegan morons almost killed they baby by giving him a vegan diet. and wtf is all this shit about eating animals cuz of lazyness? do u know how long it takes to make a salad compared to BBQing a stake? liek i said before, Im all up for treating the animals better but im still gonna eat them with no remorse. I can give you more examples say ur stuck in an island no edible fruit or feeding trees what do you do? You fish right u bait the poor animal make him swallow a hook then you yank him off out of teh water where he suffocates. YEAH u animal abuser you. The companies do teh same shit they just do it mor eefficiently I admit its fucked up but just cuz of that does not mean you dont have to eat meat if you dont like the way tehy do it grow your own. -Jorge

Wow yeah, I need to watch a fictional show to learn things, thanks Jorge.

Yes I would eat an animal if it was a question of survival, but it is not for each and every one of us, and we are MORE healthy by actually dropping the meat or reducing our consumption of it. Are you really this narrow-minded? Tap yourself on the back buddy, nothing is your fault and you can't do nothing about it, why care.

On February 23 2009 18:26 milkman wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 16:33 milkman wrote: lol im kinda scared to watch it, but i cant ever turn down a documentary, watching docs is my #1 way to learn now days. ill post my response after i watch it. brb! i watched the whole thing, and i want my time back.. this video wasnt a documentary, it was a fucking hour and a half long PETA recruitment ad. It was TOTALLY one sided, and didnt touch or go in depth on many things that were worth talking about. It was just like Americas Funniest Home Videos, but switch funny, with sick fucked up rednecks treating animals horribly.. and no Bob Saget, they just picked out the worst videos they could find from every type of animal killing, slopped um all together and put a "Documentary" tag on it.. what a horrible piece of crap. if you want to watch a good documentary, check out PBS frontline docs, voodoos war, and the meltdown r two that i really liked.

What were you expecting? And yes it is very much a documentary, because you learn things. It's much more than just a meet your meat video showing slaughter after slaughter. Of course it will be graphic, they are using hidden cameras for a reason... and it's the only thing that can have a strong enough impact on people who were raised to be indifferent about the whole thing.

On February 24 2009 00:09 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + I'd also like to point out that I respect the choices of people who eat meat, but I don't respect the cowards who are afraid to see the truth behind it. This is such a childish sentence. OOOh meat eaters are evil ooh. The problem isnt in eating meat at all. The problem is far far more complex. You have sex without planning for a child? Youre at fault. Youre overpopulating this planet. You use condom? Well you can still get pregnant with condoms, they give it 10% fault rate, and as a poker player u know that on a 6 billion planet that matters. You dont use condom but your girlfriend is on a pill? Well pill is 100 times more dangerous then what they put in our meat. So as u can see, sex-havers are evil. GTFO.

what? where did I say people were evil for eating meat? I said I respected their choices, but the practices behind it is evil, and if one just doesn't care about what he eats then he isn't aware of them and isn't in the position of making a choice, that's all that my post meant, I don't understand where your animosity comes from.

On February 24 2009 00:16 SfydjkLm wrote: This is tilting me pretty hard, people stop eating meat and post a link to a documentary on some forum and they feel like their consciousness has been cleared, their good deed is done. I propose u volunteer, or better yet donate money to people who know what theyre doing. Cos right now youre doing nothing but fancying yourself.

My "good deed" isn't done until I'm dead. I'm not getting any satisfaction from this but I know that if I even make one person change their diet with my post it was worth it. That is time well spent my friend, unlike your useless post raving about how I'm just trying to feel better about myself. Get a clue.

On February 24 2009 00:14 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 13:36 Baal wrote:   On February 23 2009 11:30 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 11:26 Baal wrote:   On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being. like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption. I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots. I don't care. It has no relevance whether you want the situation to be improved, it simply is not happening and it won't happen, it's wishful thinking. And if it was to happen you'd pay more for your meat, you wouldn't want that would you? I've already mentioned how idiotic I thought the whole "there are worse things in the world happening, so the animals and environment is the least of our worries" was, you need to understand that it sparks from the exact same place but with food consumption you can actually make a difference! Whereas you are a silent observer to those other things happening in the world. the difference in price in my meat would be unnoticable if animals are treated correctly, i dont know how i can make a difference... by not eating meat? oh yeah that will teach them... sorry but i enjoy my meat sir, animals should be treated better, if there is a petition, ill sign it, if there is a vote on it, ill vote, but i wont stop eating meat, its stupid. ?? Of course that will do a difference. What if everybody was as insensible and indifferent as you on the matter? There would be no vegans and vegetarians, do you need to see more numbers to see how much of a difference they make? I like meat too, I'm just aware that I don't need it to be healthy and it doesn't make me sleep better at night to comfort myself that it is the WORLD that inflicts pain on the animals and that I don't personally want it but I have to deal with it! That's fucking bullshit and it's a child's mentality, everyone does its part and you encourage them to keep up with their practices by eating meat. Just don't kid yourself about it and try to convince yourself that you care.

omg there would be no vegans/vegetarians? zomg what would the world be without them! -_-

i cant believe you are arguing this on such a low level seriously...

Being against animal cruelty is what matters not if u fucking eat them or not, if the whole world cared about animal cruelty there would be non since enough people pressure the government to take action, so raise awareness for animal cruelty and dont spread retarded vegan unfounded BS.


You havent said one single time why we should "go vegan" instead of simply be aware and against animal cruelty.

I like animals, but I like steaks more

On February 24 2009 01:01 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2009 00:14 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 13:36 Baal wrote:   On February 23 2009 11:30 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 11:26 Baal wrote:   On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being. like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption. I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots. I don't care. It has no relevance whether you want the situation to be improved, it simply is not happening and it won't happen, it's wishful thinking. And if it was to happen you'd pay more for your meat, you wouldn't want that would you? I've already mentioned how idiotic I thought the whole "there are worse things in the world happening, so the animals and environment is the least of our worries" was, you need to understand that it sparks from the exact same place but with food consumption you can actually make a difference! Whereas you are a silent observer to those other things happening in the world. the difference in price in my meat would be unnoticable if animals are treated correctly, i dont know how i can make a difference... by not eating meat? oh yeah that will teach them... sorry but i enjoy my meat sir, animals should be treated better, if there is a petition, ill sign it, if there is a vote on it, ill vote, but i wont stop eating meat, its stupid. ?? Of course that will do a difference. What if everybody was as insensible and indifferent as you on the matter? There would be no vegans and vegetarians, do you need to see more numbers to see how much of a difference they make? I like meat too, I'm just aware that I don't need it to be healthy and it doesn't make me sleep better at night to comfort myself that it is the WORLD that inflicts pain on the animals and that I don't personally want it but I have to deal with it! That's fucking bullshit and it's a child's mentality, everyone does its part and you encourage them to keep up with their practices by eating meat. Just don't kid yourself about it and try to convince yourself that you care. omg there would be no vegans/vegetarians? zomg what would the world be without them! -_- i cant believe you are arguing this on such a low level seriously... Being against animal cruelty is what matters not if u fucking eat them or not, if the whole world cared about animal cruelty there would be non since enough people pressure the government to take action, so raise awareness for animal cruelty and dont spread retarded vegan unfounded BS. You havent said one single time why we should "go vegan" instead of simply be aware and against animal cruelty.

Okay sorry there were just so many posts that I was lost and quickly replied to everyone... I also assumed that people watched the last video I posted in my edit in the initial post that shows just how inefficient it is.

My problems are involved with the industrialized side of the world, or what's also called the "takers society". To make 1 pound of animal protein, it takes an average of 10 pounds of vegetable proteins. So what that means is that we are losing 9 pounds of vegetable proteins to what? Crap. We're using food that could be going to humans because the animals we nourish poop them. Now, if everyone in the entire world stopped eating meat then all of the land that's being used for the cows could be used to feed humans. But wait, that land is on American soil so how does that help the people in 3rd world countries? Well all the grains and vegetables they use for the cows they get from the 3rd world countries because it's cheaper. Also the land happens to be more fertile and there's less concrete. So, by not eating meat, you're making it so more people in the world can eat. That food would be going to those 3rd world countries instead of the "takers society", people in this highly developed civilization who don't need this additional food. Same for the production of honey, all the space used for that could be used to grow food to go to 3rd world countries. All the water going into feeding the animals is just ridiculous as well, watch the last video in my main post if you haven't seen it. So from an humanistic point of view it's much more than just the animal cruelty that doesn't make sense.

If your curious about statistics there are tons of sites, this one has a shitload: http://planetaryrenewal.org/ipr/vegetarian.html

yea one of my friends has that exact same viewpoint that it's inefficient as a whole to be eating meat cuz we lose out on precious "energy"

but damn man having some korean BBQ after a work out is like better than anything in the world.

i also hate peta faggots who think themselves as enlightened/better or whatever and have their moral trips cuz they eat meat. similar to that of a religious fanatic.

I also find them annoying if they use that to boost their egos, but it's irrelevant. It is a very good thing to do and they are doing it and it's all that matters. Every single vegan/vegetarian makes a difference on how much less we abuse the planet and its inhabitants and the health benefits are just a bonus.

And again it's a choice to be a glutton and it has negative effects on both the environment and your body.

On February 24 2009 02:44 Loco wrote: And again it's a choice to be a glutton and it has negative effects on both the environment and your body.

And this is retarded... eating meat =/= gluttony, unless you consider finding pleasure in eating is gluttony, and if you do you should consider buying a yellow cloak and move to tibet

teh house thing was an obv joke ffs...


-Jorge

On February 24 2009 00:21 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 14:47 CrownRoyal wrote: you guys have no idea what my values are, I think people should have to pass tests to have kids and there should be check ups to make sure the kid is being raised right, if he isnt give him to sterile parents that are qualified. Then we come so much closer to utopia it's ridiculous. animal rights is retarded wow you have values? you're right there should be check ups and for yourself they should've dumped you in a dumpster

Sorry I don't share the hippy mindset. You're so ridiculously caught up in your ideas and you act like you aren't just an FYI enlightened one.

i agree with baal. also i think your last argument is ridic loco. No one would ever stop eating meat to help feed other countries. thats not a reason to not eat meat. its a solution to a completely different problem.

Crownroyal, why are you talking about my views in an attempt to defend your ignorance? Even Baal who doesn't agree with my views said you were an ignorant and he was spot on. But I think everyone who's been on this site long enough already knows that you aren't a very intelligent person so there isn't much to discuss with you about this, sorry if I'm being rude.

On February 24 2009 05:42 fakeshaver wrote: i agree with baal. also i think your last argument is ridic loco. No one would ever stop eating meat to help feed other countries. thats not a reason to not eat meat. its a solution to a completely different problem.

How is it ridiculous? It was hypothetical and it clearly shows that it would be a more efficient way to feed human-beings.

On February 24 2009 05:48 Loco wrote: Crownroyal, why are you talking about my views in an attempt to defend your ignorance? Even Baal who doesn't agree with my views said you were an ignorant and he was spot on. But I think everyone who's been on this site long enough already knows that you aren't a very intelligent person so there isn't much to discuss with you about this, sorry if I'm being rude.

Look at what you're writing you post in such a condescending manner it's ridiculous

what the fuck makes you any better than me?

Sorry if i'm being rude, faggot.