NL100 turned bottom set - Page 2

I agree on the part that some regulars have nitty stats but do tend to get out of the line if there is some dynamics going on. But we didn't have a lot going on as I recall.

On March 12 2009 05:48 auffenpuffer wrote: From "The adventures of Sherlock Holmes", by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, a solid expample of the force of deduction: Some weeks after solving the case of red haired man Sherlock and Watson were enjoying a well deserved moment of rest at Baker Street, when suddenly - after a long period of silence - Sherlock said: "Watson, do you see this poster at liquidpoker?" Watson looked at the laptops screen over Sherlocks shoulder and replied: "Yeah, I've seen him post before, why?" "Well, I can tell you that his account on partypoker is allin72o." "Oh my Sherlock, how on earth is that possible? Goes way over me." "Elementary, my dear Watson: I just clicked the "Hands" icon on the right of the guys name, and check which screenname he was using on his hands". So thats just how Sherlock Holmes solved a problem similiar to yours. My screenname is allin72o

ahaha,wp sir

when you turn a set your never good
ive leard that

66, 88, JJ are all in his range, he probably wanted to c/r flop.
best to fold imo

this is 6 max,you can't fold vs villain
at least not with such history.
And he isn't a meganit too

On March 12 2009 12:04 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: when you turn a set your never good ive leard that

True dat
Same for backdoor flushes

On March 12 2009 16:38 lebowski wrote: this is 6 max,you can't fold vs villain at least not with such history. And he isn't a meganit too

Not a meganit but definitly a nit, espcially in his position. I think his range in this spot is pretty small. Considering all these facts and recent history is this for 165bb an +EV move to shove or call/call or do I save money and fold because nl100 regs hardly go out of line in a big pot?

much better spots to stick the money in at nl100 than this imo

17/14/4 in 6max? lol that's pretty damn nitty, there are FR regs that play more loose than that
also, if you're felting bottom set on the turn here against this specific villain, you should probably re-evaluate your game

his thought process would be pretty much be
"ok i flopped a set, time to check/raise"
"well shit, the flop checked through, gotta get value on the turn now, esp since there's still draws out there, but they're most likely folding"
"nice, i'm getting action on this turn, i hope he's stupid enough to stackoff with 22 here"
"ship it"

On March 12 2009 02:37 auffenpuffer wrote: Show nested quote + fwiw i dont generally give people at NL100 enough credit for hand-reading to get it in based on northface's justification. also I think there is an important difference between people c/ring flop cbets and bet/3betting the turn in a spot like this. I just dont think enough of his range is combo draws/pair + draw/pure bluff for anything except a turn fold to be profitable. I've actually noticed that at nl100 many regulars who appear nitty and play abc suddenly get really spazzy if you do something aggressive with a line that makes no sense at all. Been a great surprise to me. Or at least some partypoker nl100 regs do, maybe they have different culture at stars And imo it makes a huge difference that we have 3bet all in on flop vs him twice

Even if that is true, even if folding KK pf is good in X spot, that is not the kind of thread you should be making to defeat what you call the nittiest of levels.


Basically what im saying is, if you have 2nd guesses about getting KK all-in preflop some times, then the problem is not your KK, but ALL of your other hands.

This advice is 100x more valuable than anything written in this thread btw

On March 13 2009 07:28 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2009 02:37 auffenpuffer wrote:   fwiw i dont generally give people at NL100 enough credit for hand-reading to get it in based on northface's justification. also I think there is an important difference between people c/ring flop cbets and bet/3betting the turn in a spot like this. I just dont think enough of his range is combo draws/pair + draw/pure bluff for anything except a turn fold to be profitable. I've actually noticed that at nl100 many regulars who appear nitty and play abc suddenly get really spazzy if you do something aggressive with a line that makes no sense at all. Been a great surprise to me. Or at least some partypoker nl100 regs do, maybe they have different culture at stars And imo it makes a huge difference that we have 3bet all in on flop vs him twice Even if that is true, even if folding KK pf is good in X spot, that is not the kind of thread you should be making to defeat what you call the nittiest of levels. Basically what im saying is, if you have 2nd guesses about getting KK all-in preflop some times, then the problem is not your KK, but ALL of your other hands. This advice is 100x more valuable than anything written in this thread btw

true,this is what I meant by "this is 6max",6 max games are supposed to be more aggro and with lots of action,stealing/restealing etc. If this isn't the case here, sure wth,fold a set (omg)
About 17/14 stats they are not something to consider if the sample is less than 100-150 hands imo,some times people are card dead/shortstackers prevent stealing /whatever.
I've thought many times that someone was a 14/11 nit and ~100-200 hands later he was like 20/16 or higher

I think the sample is 500+. During this hand I couldn't use timebank and only had 9 seconds to act.

u sure hes not spazzing out with AJ cause ur line looks so weird?

i shove to get called by Q9ss type hands bc i don't think he has pure air almost ever so i don't find much value in flatting so that he can continue to bluff

On March 13 2009 00:48 LilDeano89 wrote: much better spots to stick the money in at nl100 than this imo

yeah this is def true

we should also fold KK preflop as our standard because it would be better to get it in with AA preflop

at least preflop w/KK there are conceivably value hands in his stack-off range that we are ahead of. We beat nothing here but a bluff imho.

On March 13 2009 19:50 LilDeano89 wrote: at least preflop w/KK there are conceivably value hands in his stack-off range that we are ahead of. We beat nothing here but a bluff imho.

we beat a jack and two pair -.-

this is exactly what I was saying about midstakes players coming into an NL100 thread and posting advice relevant to their stakes that simply isn't for NL100 (on Stars at least, dunno about other sites). The villain is not a fish/monkey/retard who will spaz out with a jack or 2 pair. Or at least I have never seem him do it in over 1k hands sample. Imo he (and almost any other nitty NL100 Stars regular) DEFINATELY isnt doing it enough for anything but a fold to be profitable.

u would be suprised how many regs at this stakes suck balls

FWIW: I have stars datamined and he's 17/14 and very, very tight OOP.