Folding Axo preflop - Page 2

I think the worst part of limping the sb is that you are oop no matter what, it's way harder to get value and way harder to put your opponent on a range.

On July 26 2009 22:30 zaragyemo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 22:27 k2o4 wrote: I forsee that this will be the first in many posts by zara like this asking whether what I told her makes sense. I just have to check what k2o4 is saying is the way to go about it. I notice that everyone has different ways of playing their hand, some profitable and some not - I just wanted to know the best move to make. And this has been helpful. Like k2o4 said, I am sure there will be many more situations where I will be asking for advice from you guys.

Just FYI there is no blanket best move it's player dependent, that said at .01/.02 the best move is fold because you will find way way way better spots. Although if it's a suited ace that has wheel potential and your getting like 8:1 it's not a bad thing to call, but play the hand very carefully if the bare ace hits.

Zara just asked me "what is oop" and she said it "oooooop" hehehe

On July 26 2009 22:43 Cooper83 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 22:30 zaragyemo wrote:   On July 26 2009 22:27 k2o4 wrote: I forsee that this will be the first in many posts by zara like this asking whether what I told her makes sense. I just have to check what k2o4 is saying is the way to go about it. I notice that everyone has different ways of playing their hand, some profitable and some not - I just wanted to know the best move to make. And this has been helpful. Like k2o4 said, I am sure there will be many more situations where I will be asking for advice from you guys. Just FYI there is no blanket best move it's player dependent, that said at .01/.02 the best move is fold because you will find way way way better spots. Although if it's a suited ace that has wheel potential and your getting like 8:1 it's not a bad thing to call, but play the hand very carefully if the bare ace hits.

Suited aces are different, I think I'd pretty much always say to at least complete with Axs in the SB on .01/.02 if you're 100bb deep with at least 1 person. Axo is where the debate comes in imo

Well, I think I got the consensus that I should either fold or raise but never limp. Thank you all.

On July 26 2009 22:49 zaragyemo wrote: Well, I think I got the consensus that I should either fold or raise but never limp. Thank you all.

but is the consensus right?

On July 26 2009 22:44 k2o4 wrote: Zara just asked me "what is oop" and she said it "oooooop" hehehe

I say it like scoop when I read it to myself in my head. Less syllables son, the new generation of poker players is more efficient.

On July 26 2009 22:54 patmcgroin wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 22:49 zaragyemo wrote: Well, I think I got the consensus that I should either fold or raise but never limp. Thank you all. but is the consensus right?

I guess I just to play those hands to figure out if it is right or wrong.

bleh, dont listen to consensuses.. think about your opponent!

If you limp SB and he raises BB every time and cbets the flop it is NOT a good situation for you because you have to either fold prf or fold very often on the flop. And even when you flop an Ace you don't know what to do.

If you raise SB and your opponent folds 90% of the time it is obviously good to raise.

If you raise SB and your opponent starts giving you shit either prf or on the flop it is probably best to fold.

It is all opponent dependent!

If your opponent always checks his BB and is passive (doesnt cbet often enough) it is great to limp. Why not? We get 3-to-1 to see a flop and we have a pretty strong (showdownable) hand.

This thread defines why I should have pulled a Yugless.

Limping the described situation is bad, very bad. In fact so bad that no good can ever come of it and what does come you probably won't enjoy. It's not fun being ooooop.

On July 26 2009 23:02 nixxxbg wrote: bleh, dont listen to consensuses.. think about your opponent! If you limp SB and he raises BB every time and cbets the flop it is NOT a good situation for you because you have to either fold prf or fold very often on the flop. And even when you flop an Ace you don't know what to do. If you raise SB and your opponent folds 90% of the time it is obviously good to raise. If you raise SB and your opponent starts giving you shit either prf or on the flop it is probably best to fold. It is all opponent dependent! If your opponent always checks his BB and is passive (doesnt cbet often enough) it is great to limp. Why not? We get 3-to-1 to see a flop and we have a pretty strong (showdownable) hand.

What you suggest is not bad but don't forget this is NL2 we are discussing and most of the opponents are not thinking at all. They are the ones raising 29o because poker is fun. Keep things as simple as possible and work on learning the fundamentals of playing ABC poker. The more situations you get yourself into where the correct play isn't obvious, the more you will find yourself making mistakes.

On July 26 2009 22:13 acdawg712 wrote: k2o4 is a genius but i would just blindly listen to wisdom

On July 26 2009 23:18 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 22:13 acdawg712 wrote: k2o4 is a genius but i would just blindly listen to wisdom

LOL, just hilarious.

Listen to your man, female.

On July 26 2009 23:29 Cooper83 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 23:18 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote:   On July 26 2009 22:13 acdawg712 wrote: k2o4 is a genius but i would just blindly listen to wisdom LOL, just hilarious.

hahahaha

On July 26 2009 23:07 Bejamin1 wrote: This thread defines why I should have pulled a Yugless.

so true, even i'm giving what i think is semi-decent advice

On July 26 2009 22:05 zaragyemo wrote: So, k2o4 tells me that I should fold Ace rag preflop in most situations. I feel differently... so wad u think? Suppose I have A3, and I am on the small blind. (I am playing .01/.02). So logically I would think it is a good decision to limp here and call with .01 to see the flop.

i should preface this by saying that the majority of the time, k2o4 is definitely right and limping A3o from the SB will generally be not so good.

but basically this question is going to be the first in a long line of questions where the answer is "it depends". if there's 6 limpers before it gets to you, i don't think anyone would fault you for completing the SB with A3o (or just about anything) at 1c/2c. if it's folded all the way around to your SB (which i think would be a rarity at 1c/2c) it's by far better to raise/fold and either is fine.

it's hard to give a thorough answer explaining why but as you play more you'll just "get it" eventually. but basically the discounted price you have to pay from the SB is more than offset by being oop postflop which will lead to a lot of situations, particularly with a hand like A3o, where you won't know what to do.

On July 27 2009 00:45 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On July 26 2009 22:05 zaragyemo wrote: So, k2o4 tells me that I should fold Ace rag preflop in most situations. I feel differently... so wad u think? Suppose I have A3, and I am on the small blind. (I am playing .01/.02). So logically I would think it is a good decision to limp here and call with .01 to see the flop. i should preface this by saying that the majority of the time, k2o4 is definitely right and limping A3o from the SB will generally be not so good. but basically this question is going to be the first in a long line of questions where the answer is "it depends". if there's 6 limpers before it gets to you, i don't think anyone would fault you for completing the SB with A3o (or just about anything) at 1c/2c. if it's folded all the way around to your SB (which i think would be a rarity at 1c/2c) it's by far better to raise/fold and either is fine. it's hard to give a thorough answer explaining why but as you play more you'll just "get it" eventually. but basically the discounted price you have to pay from the SB is more than offset by being oop postflop which will lead to a lot of situations, particularly with a hand like A3o, where you won't know what to do.

Thanks.

listen to bret! he cannot lie! lol