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Somehow this reminds me of

Yeah, stuff I see on LP reminds me of broken links all the time!

On August 11 2009 15:46 vltava wrote: Yeah, stuff I see on LP reminds me of broken links all the time!

you too?!

On August 11 2009 04:46 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 02:49 Highcard wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust. are you kidding me, it would be way better going with friends. Except if you were my friend, then it would suck apparently. buuuurrrrrrrn

lol!

If the girls seem a little cold to the touch at first its because we imported them frozen from Ukraine and defrost them in a giant sex microwave as you request them.

this would be the ideal bachelor party...only with your tighest friends who wouldn't say shit

On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us

IM DOWN

On August 11 2009 17:37 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us IM DOWN

+1

one more gogogogo

On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us

I don't want anu to
hate me

On August 11 2009 06:03 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 05:02 Etherone wrote:   On August 11 2009 04:39 concrescence wrote:   On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon and now you've reached the reason why i wouldn't go. These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc) maybe through ignorance ( they believe 1k a month is a great salary) but they are being exploited. I'm sure all of you noticed they were from eastern europe and Brazil *cough* Human trafficking * cough* . edit: well that and i need to work on my bankroll God you are so retarded, why in the fuck do you think they hold the passports of this girls? lol its featured on fucking PlayBoyTV and many others places. Also its blatantly obvious for everyone except you that these girls get paid WAY more than 1k a month and its a fucking job they choose to do... sigh some people.

and here i thought i didn't have to place a fucking disclaimer on every phrase.
Why do you think they are exclusively from eastern europe and Brazil then? they are taking advantage of their upbringing or economical situation or whatever else they found out about those two regions they could exploit. Fine they may make 4k a month or 10k ( which i highly doubt), doesn't matter they are underpaid seeing as the product is cheap. as for prostitution i have nothing against it, as long as it a fully conscious choice.

I just feel like this is a shady business model, nothing to do with being against prostitution, and honestly doubt they are holding their passports, but there could be some kind of bullshit blackmail going on. lol i guess i'd feel better if they charged 10k for the regular and 15k for the vip, seriously I get that operating costs at the D.R with Brazilian and E.E girls can be quite low, but why not rake in that extra buck, anyone willing and able to pay the 8k will pay 10k. their prices are making me rage and suspicious.

and relax with the attacks a bit, if you aren't the least bit suspicious it's fucking great that you haven't witnessed first hand how fucked up human trafficking is in brazil at least, and believe me they look like they want to fucking be there, they are well kept, and polite too. too bad they get paid shit and treated worse. also some scare stories, coupled with a documentary or two while living in europe doesn't help.

edit: typo

First you say: " These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc)"

Then you say: "and honestly doubt they are holding their passports"


Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation.

You just arbitrarily assume they are being exploited while all evidence points that they are not, just go to their site and look in how many places they have been featured, famous radio shows, on god damn PlayBoy TV etc, and you make it sound like its some underground thai whore house.

clearly they should be exploiting woman from Portugal. people there are retarded

On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation.

When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not.

You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation.

On August 12 2009 12:59 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote:   On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction. No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not. You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation.

If he's dying of dehydration and he values his life more than all of his material wealth, then we're making a transaction that benefits both of us. I wouldn't call it nice or friendly, but if there's someone else offering water for a lower price he can take that option.

Okay people in a poor country are nearly starving. They work at a factory for rice. They're earning food and lowering their chances or starvation. They are given a choice. They are not forced into anything they don't want. They're still better off working at the factory than not. Otherwise, they wouldn't work at the factory.

roman soldiers got payed in salt

and somalians are not that poor that theyre starving. theres some poor, but most ppl can feed themselves

On August 11 2009 20:19 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us I don't want anu to hate me

She was in my lap when I was reading the thread/writing this.

LOL!

On August 12 2009 13:25 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 12:59 Baal wrote:   On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote:   On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction. No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not. You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation. If he's dying of dehydration and he values his life more than all of his material wealth, then we're making a transaction that benefits both of us. I wouldn't call it nice or friendly, but if there's someone else offering water for a lower price he can take that option. Okay people in a poor country are nearly starving. They work at a factory for rice. They're earning food and lowering their chances or starvation. They are given a choice. They are not forced into anything they don't want. They're still better off working at the factory than not. Otherwise, they wouldn't work at the factory.

So you are saying you offering rice as payment in a somalian sweatshop and selling them for high prices in europe is ok?

You are also saying that is morally correct to sell this glass of water in exchange for all his possessions?


Well then there is no need to discuss this any further with you, i just hope i never meet you and i wish you realize what an increadible shitty human being you are.

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: So you are saying you offering rice as payment in a somalian sweatshop and selling them for high prices in europe is ok?

From the workers perspective, you are poor and starving. A company opens a factory offering to pay you rice. The rice isn't a lot, but it's better than no food at all, so you get a job at the factory. Your standard of living and quality of life has increased. If you're being ripped off, you go find another factory that pays better.

From the company's perspective, you are a company that manufactures goods. You have the option of manufacturing within your market country and paying 20 dollars an hour. You could also open a factory in whatever country (Somolia in your example) and pay 20 cents an hour, plus shipping costs. You make your products cheaper, the Somolians get food, the consumers get more product for less, and you profit. Everyone wins.

If it was not allowed on the grounds of "morality" to pay the workers 20 cents an hour, and you must pay them what their work is "worth", you might as well do it somewhere else where shipping is going to be less to keep costs down. No one in Somolia gets food, your production costs go up, consumers pay more for their product. Everyone loses.

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: You are also saying that is morally correct to sell this glass of water in exchange for all his possessions?

Morally correct is a slippery term. If it was anyone I cared about, I would likely give the glass of water for free. There are many unknowns in this example though. Do I need the water? How much does it cost to get water there? What if I need the value of all his possessions in order to pay for transportation out of the desert?

More importantly, Why does the dehydrated man's need come before all else? Does need always come first?

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: Well then there is no need to discuss this any further with you, i just hope i never meet you and i wish you realize what an increadible shitty human being you are.

That is fine if you think so, but I feel you gravely misunderstood my views. If there is any one who shares Baal's view and wishes to engage in open-minded and friendly discourse, please contact me.

The example is really obvious, you do not need the water, and you dont need his fortune to get out of the desert are you fucking insane? why would you even ask such a ridiculous question.

You claim that as long as the person accepts the deal and both parties are better off it is not exploitation, so if u give him the glass of water in exchange for all his possessions he wont die and ur rich, he did it willingly so its not exploitation, and its morally correct.

Same example but instead of his belongings, he will be your slave for the rest of his life, its better than dying for him and he will probably accept so you think that is totally fine.