Best Vacation Ever? (NWS)

NWS

This is an insane private resort that I never thought would exist - must watch this video:

http://www.cat69.com/video/69things_playboy/High.wmv

Viking's Resort is your erotic adult vacation destination! We are a fantasy vacation resort located on a tropical island in the Caribbean with a full staff of the world's most beautiful women. Viking's presents an unparalleled adult vacation experience! Imagine an executive retreat that allows you to have an unforgettable time with beautiful exotic girls tending to your every need! Our all inclusive Caribbean vacations offer a high level of luxury and a sensual experience that is virtually unheard of anywhere else. Our incredible variety of beautiful girls makes Viking's Resort the number one adult destination for your holidays and escort vacations. Enjoy the superb weather, sunbathing on our clothing-optional private beach and pool, water sports, fishing, golf, gourmet food, and female entertainment. Paradise is where your secret fantasies can become reality! You may even have a romantic vacation with one of our young models, or meet the wild women of your dreams! Your personal erotic vacation awaits you! See why we are the clear choice for the best adult vacation experience.

Packages are as low as 3.9k and there's VIP for like 8k. Probably the best way to spend your extra money if you have a 10/20 heater is to drop the 8k and go here.

haha very sick and surprisingly cheap

Now THAT is a luxury vacation! 8K is a really good deal if it is all-inclusive. My favourite part is instead of a mint on your pillow, it's a naked model.

On August 10 2009 13:55 thewh00sel wrote: haha very sick and surprisingly cheap

gogo with eplatinum VIP store giftcard thewhoosel and tell us how it is.

kinda sick weird awesome and too good to be true at the same time. Im confused

I dont pay for sex

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

w8 what?

On August 10 2009 14:16 SakiSaki wrote: kinda sick weird awesome and too good to be true at the same time. Im confused

Dude... It's just an exclusive whorehouse.

ye I know its fucked up and shit but it still looks so nice to just hang out there. You probably just feel dirty being there though so meh

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

oh and amen to this

looks awesome

whoa cool ^^

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

concierge imo

Dont get me wrong i'd looove to go there but face it, those girls are probably a mix between cheap russian hookers and class C p0rn actresses....

BUT YOU GETS TO BONE THEM ON A TROPICAL ISLAND BEACH

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

hes the one that gets paid.

dude fuck the palms suits for 11K a night.. that shit is awesome!! and i dont pay for sex either but this is different lol..

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

I'll definately check this place out in the next couple of years.

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

QFT

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

Wrong. If it was Jessica Alba you would totally pay. That or whoever your favorite wet-dream celebrity is. Nobody pays for attainable vagina owners other than buying them dinner or a drink or whatever but for an unattainable woman you would most certainly pay even if it was just to have the story to tell.

Meeeh that video was one giant display of totally desperate nerd behavior

omgzz naked womens and they all want their special moment with me....


Fail!

I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

You could say that of any commercial enterprise, Saki.

On August 10 2009 16:36 vltava wrote: You could say that of any commercial enterprise, Saki.

QFT but Saki has a point and I think I'd def. feel that way there

I laughed when the guy said that his wife let's him have one free pass and he chose this "adventure". Too bad while he's gone, she's romping with the next door neighbor.

So if your game is tight enough can you make this happen without having to pay for any of the women?

On August 10 2009 16:50 hkbubbletea wrote: I laughed when the guy said that his wife let's him have one free pass and he chose this "adventure". Too bad while he's gone, she's romping with the next door neighbor.

So what? fair's fair. So long as she never so much as looks at the neighbour when he's back

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

You wanna try having a wife - you're a constant ATM....

everyone pays for sex dont kid yourselves

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

meh, worth paying for imo

On August 10 2009 15:56 milkman wrote: dude fuck the palms suits for 11K a night.. that shit is awesome!! and i dont pay for sex either but this is different lol..

im gonna start saving my pennies :D

holy shit new motivation imo

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

u can take a girl on a date, pay for all her drinks and dinner but she wont fuck u.

they have tons of adult themed costa rican vacations.

i am so fucking horny right now

On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

The giant sucker is the guy with a ring on his finger.



And I'm only paying attention to those girls because they are naked and nubile. Fair exchange.

god damn that place rocks

On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money.

On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money.

so youd rather people hang out with you because you drive rally cars really fast, and can speak two languages with a sexy accent? same thing imo...

On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

Then make them do some crazy freaky shit ^ ^

too many dicks in their mouth to just ignore it

looks good. maybe ill treat myself after my first wpt or wsop win

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

QFT

I'm very anti-hooker and anti-strip club, but for some reason this actually sounds kind of fun. At the same time it sounds awkward as hell. Especially the part where you hang out with all the other guys who are there. At first I thought you got to be on the island with 12 girls all by yourself. That would be much better cause even though you'd know you were sleazy, you wouldn't have any reminders of it =)

I don't think this is that much different than being a billionaire who picks up a bunch of models and takes em to his island. They're just there cause of the money. This way we all get to feel like a billionaire for a few days.

this thing is better just fantasized abt then actually being there. hookers are usually not that friendly lol

On August 10 2009 22:24 whamm! wrote: this thing is better just fantasized abt then actually being there. hookers are usually not that friendly lol

meet a hooker fiending for crack, she'll be friendly

On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex

id prob have to make an exception for this one.

On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing.

You're doing it all wrong. I never and I mean NEVER buy girls drinks (unless she's my gf). A lot of girl friends actually prefer to not have a guy buy them drinks. Why? That way they don't feel like they have an obligation for anything, unless of course they are really a cold hearted bitch in which case they are just using you and you won't get to fuck them anyway.

I also do first and second dates dutch unless the girl is someone that a friend of mine knows and recommended we meet or go on a date, then I'll pay because I actually care about being a gentleman to her because she's in my circle of friends.

Just some advice for some of you guys

On August 11 2009 00:22 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote:   On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing. You're doing it all wrong. I never and I mean NEVER buy girls drinks (unless she's my gf). A lot of girl friends actually prefer to not have a guy buy them drinks. Why? That way they don't feel like they have an obligation for anything, unless of course they are really a cold hearted bitch in which case they are just using you and you won't get to fuck them anyway. I also do first and second dates dutch unless the girl is someone that a friend of mine knows and recommended we meet or go on a date, then I'll pay because I actually care about being a gentleman to her because she's in my circle of friends. Just some advice for some of you guys

respect

i'm not the same but i respect this greatly

ain't gonna give a bitch shit unless she already matters to you. hi5

On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

Definitely. I actually felt extremely awkward just watching the video itself, I couldn't even finish it.

Well i just saw the video and it does looks hella nice but there is no way you can be with multiple girls all day long, not for that price, but it does look like a fun weekend.

On August 10 2009 21:56 Bigbobm wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. so youd rather people hang out with you because you drive rally cars really fast, and can speak two languages with a sexy accent? same thing imo...

No because your money is not a plus or an attractive feature (not with hookers) its the ONLY thing they care about you.

damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal.

On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal.

Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare.

Soundproof rooms or bust.

On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust.

obviously u guys would have a dibbs system set up. u clown

On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust.

are you kidding me, it would be way better going with friends. Except if you were my friend, then it would suck apparently.

I just get trapped in the friend zone and never get anywhere

fml

On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money.

Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon

On August 11 2009 02:49 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust. are you kidding me, it would be way better going with friends. Except if you were my friend, then it would suck apparently.

buuuurrrrrrrn

On August 11 2009 04:39 concrescence wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon

and now you've reached the reason why i wouldn't go. These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc) maybe through ignorance ( they believe 1k a month is a great salary) but they are being exploited. I'm sure all of you noticed they were from eastern europe and Brazil *cough* Human trafficking * cough* .

edit: well that and i need to work on my bankroll

On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it.

Totally agree with this, although an island of beautiful women makes me smile.

On August 11 2009 05:02 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 04:39 concrescence wrote:   On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon and now you've reached the reason why i wouldn't go. These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc) maybe through ignorance ( they believe 1k a month is a great salary) but they are being exploited. I'm sure all of you noticed they were from eastern europe and Brazil *cough* Human trafficking * cough* . edit: well that and i need to work on my bankroll

God you are so retarded, why in the fuck do you think they hold the passports of this girls? lol its featured on fucking PlayBoyTV and many others places.

Also its blatantly obvious for everyone except you that these girls get paid WAY more than 1k a month and its a fucking job they choose to do... sigh some people.

On August 11 2009 05:02 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 04:39 concrescence wrote:   On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon and now you've reached the reason why i wouldn't go. These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc) maybe through ignorance ( they believe 1k a month is a great salary) but they are being exploited. I'm sure all of you noticed they were from eastern europe and Brazil *cough* Human trafficking * cough* . edit: well that and i need to work on my bankroll

Or maybe they just like having sex for a lot of money, just a thought.

why so many haters this place sounds awesome. as for taking friends, id fucking love to take 5 of my best friends here and show them a good time.

also, im against prostitution but very pro strip clubs, but i think this place can really be considered something in a league of its own

On August 11 2009 07:27 n0rthf4ce wrote: why so many haters this place sounds awesome. as for taking friends, id fucking love to take 5 of my best friends here and show them a good time.

not that many "haters", its just that many people get uncomfortable with women who are only with them for money.

Id never go to this place by myself, but i bet it would be one of the best moments of my life if i went with my 5 best friends as u said, too bad they cant afford it and i aint paying for them obv

On August 11 2009 00:22 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2009 15:57 Tien wrote:   On August 10 2009 14:18 RICHI8 wrote: I dont pay for sex Everytime I take a girl out on a date that's exactly what I'm doing. You're doing it all wrong. I never and I mean NEVER buy girls drinks (unless she's my gf). A lot of girl friends actually prefer to not have a guy buy them drinks. Why? That way they don't feel like they have an obligation for anything, unless of course they are really a cold hearted bitch in which case they are just using you and you won't get to fuck them anyway. I also do first and second dates dutch unless the girl is someone that a friend of mine knows and recommended we meet or go on a date, then I'll pay because I actually care about being a gentleman to her because she's in my circle of friends. Just some advice for some of you guys

Nah I ain't doing it wrong. I go dutch too, all the fucking time.


I have a girlfriend, but the only reason money comes out of my wallet is to have sex later on.



I have a question.


If it costs you 1000 bucks to go to that resort, and you had to pay another 10$ to get the prostitutes
every night, would you fork over that 10$ while you were there?

On August 11 2009 07:44 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 07:27 n0rthf4ce wrote: why so many haters this place sounds awesome. as for taking friends, id fucking love to take 5 of my best friends here and show them a good time. not that many "haters", its just that many people get uncomfortable with women who are only with them for money. Id never go to this place by myself, but i bet it would be one of the best moments of my life if i went with my 5 best friends as u said, too bad they cant afford it and i aint paying for them obv

We're just as shallow as they are.


We're into those girls solely for their looks. Do we care about much more? Nope.

Looks are very powerful when it comes to attraction. So is money.


They are with us because we have money, and we're with them because they have looks.



You're not dating these girls, you merely having a fun time for a weekend and going back home after.

On August 11 2009 09:11 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 07:44 Baal wrote:   On August 11 2009 07:27 n0rthf4ce wrote: why so many haters this place sounds awesome. as for taking friends, id fucking love to take 5 of my best friends here and show them a good time. not that many "haters", its just that many people get uncomfortable with women who are only with them for money. Id never go to this place by myself, but i bet it would be one of the best moments of my life if i went with my 5 best friends as u said, too bad they cant afford it and i aint paying for them obv We're just as shallow as they are. We're into those girls solely for their looks. Do we care about much more? Nope. Looks are very powerful when it comes to attraction. So is money. They are with us because we have money, and we're with them because they have looks. You're not dating these girls, you merely having a fun time for a weekend and going back home after.

mmm you might be as shallow as they are, but dont include me there, if i didnt care about the person at all and only cared about their looks (skinny flat chested girls arent my type anyway) i would be totally fine with it, but i have issues with it, so its clearly not the case.

Dont get me wrong here, i am not saying prostitution is wrong or immoral, i think prostitution is totally fine and it should be 100% legal, i am just saying that personally i dont enjoy being with people who dont also enjoy being with me.

I agree 100% with that.


For someone I'm dating, what you say applies.


For some random beauty on an island that I'm going to see once, I don't really care.

On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust.

gay

i wont mind to have some milk brothers

On August 11 2009 02:49 Highcard wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust. are you kidding me, it would be way better going with friends. Except if you were my friend, then it would suck apparently.

ROFL!!!

Yeah bringing a group of friends is definitely the way to go imo. As for prostitution, my feeling is that it should be legal.

Fucking is legal.
Selling is legal.
So why isn't selling fucking legal?

Why is it illegal to sell something that is completely legal to give away for free?

So I think prostitution should be legal. But at the same time I have no desire to go be with prostitutes cause I'm like baal and prefer to be with someone who likes me. I either want to be in a real relationship like I am now or to be single and enjoy "the chase" and the feeling of success when you get the girl.

With all of that said, this place sounds like "a league of its own", as northface put it.

On August 11 2009 09:29 Tien wrote: I agree 100% with that. For someone I'm dating, what you say applies. For some random beauty on an island that I'm going to see once, I don't really care.

Thats the thing, i mean if your drunken horny and want some ass sounds nice, but this is 3 days to be with the girls etc, you are obv going to talk a lot, spend time, have fun for 3 days, it will be just akward and wont feel good to scuba-dive and have moon walks with a girl that clearly doesnt give a shit about me at all.

Thats why i say bringing friends is optimal cuz u can party and have some fun with them and the girls will just be some hookers,

PEACHY LETS GO

lets take cosmo, more girls for us

I'm thinking this wouldn't be bad, with some minor alterations, as an artist's resort. For artists and writers and musicians, except during the day, I wouldn't conform to their model of being forced to suffer through attempts at conversation with boring women. I can just practice (or write, work, etc.) all day, and then at 9 PM, phone the front desk and say "I need two blonde Ukrainian whores on the double".

generally speaking u have to be pretty naive to think ur not ever going to pay for pussy in some way shape or form

Somehow this reminds me of

Yeah, stuff I see on LP reminds me of broken links all the time!

On August 11 2009 15:46 vltava wrote: Yeah, stuff I see on LP reminds me of broken links all the time!

you too?!

On August 11 2009 04:46 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 02:49 Highcard wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:52 RICHI8 wrote:   On August 11 2009 01:29 Baal wrote: damn, apparently if you take a group of 6 people or more, they close the whole resort for your group and give you the VIP deal. Do you really want to have sex with girls that your friends had sex with just hours ago AND hear 5 of your friends having sex all the time? Not an ideal vacation to me imo. Sounds like a nightmare. Soundproof rooms or bust. are you kidding me, it would be way better going with friends. Except if you were my friend, then it would suck apparently. buuuurrrrrrrn

lol!

If the girls seem a little cold to the touch at first its because we imported them frozen from Ukraine and defrost them in a giant sex microwave as you request them.

this would be the ideal bachelor party...only with your tighest friends who wouldn't say shit

On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us

IM DOWN

On August 11 2009 17:37 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us IM DOWN

+1

one more gogogogo

On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us

I don't want anu to
hate me

On August 11 2009 06:03 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 05:02 Etherone wrote:   On August 11 2009 04:39 concrescence wrote:   On August 10 2009 21:45 Baal wrote:   On August 10 2009 16:18 SakiSaki wrote: I bet you just feel like extremely awkward while being there knowing that you are just a giant sucker in everyones eyes and they are only paying attention to you because you paid for it. not everybody feels this way, why do you think strip clubs are crowded and are many rhino lovers in lp.net... i agree with the way you feel tho i dont like to have company that is only with me because of money. Meh, i agree also but it probably wouldnt take me too long to forget about it either. If $8k is nothing to you then who is exploiting who here? c'mon and now you've reached the reason why i wouldn't go. These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc) maybe through ignorance ( they believe 1k a month is a great salary) but they are being exploited. I'm sure all of you noticed they were from eastern europe and Brazil *cough* Human trafficking * cough* . edit: well that and i need to work on my bankroll God you are so retarded, why in the fuck do you think they hold the passports of this girls? lol its featured on fucking PlayBoyTV and many others places. Also its blatantly obvious for everyone except you that these girls get paid WAY more than 1k a month and its a fucking job they choose to do... sigh some people.

and here i thought i didn't have to place a fucking disclaimer on every phrase.
Why do you think they are exclusively from eastern europe and Brazil then? they are taking advantage of their upbringing or economical situation or whatever else they found out about those two regions they could exploit. Fine they may make 4k a month or 10k ( which i highly doubt), doesn't matter they are underpaid seeing as the product is cheap. as for prostitution i have nothing against it, as long as it a fully conscious choice.

I just feel like this is a shady business model, nothing to do with being against prostitution, and honestly doubt they are holding their passports, but there could be some kind of bullshit blackmail going on. lol i guess i'd feel better if they charged 10k for the regular and 15k for the vip, seriously I get that operating costs at the D.R with Brazilian and E.E girls can be quite low, but why not rake in that extra buck, anyone willing and able to pay the 8k will pay 10k. their prices are making me rage and suspicious.

and relax with the attacks a bit, if you aren't the least bit suspicious it's fucking great that you haven't witnessed first hand how fucked up human trafficking is in brazil at least, and believe me they look like they want to fucking be there, they are well kept, and polite too. too bad they get paid shit and treated worse. also some scare stories, coupled with a documentary or two while living in europe doesn't help.

edit: typo

First you say: " These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc)"

Then you say: "and honestly doubt they are holding their passports"


Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation.

You just arbitrarily assume they are being exploited while all evidence points that they are not, just go to their site and look in how many places they have been featured, famous radio shows, on god damn PlayBoy TV etc, and you make it sound like its some underground thai whore house.

clearly they should be exploiting woman from Portugal. people there are retarded

On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation.

When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not.

You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation.

On August 12 2009 12:59 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote:   On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction. No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not. You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation.

If he's dying of dehydration and he values his life more than all of his material wealth, then we're making a transaction that benefits both of us. I wouldn't call it nice or friendly, but if there's someone else offering water for a lower price he can take that option.

Okay people in a poor country are nearly starving. They work at a factory for rice. They're earning food and lowering their chances or starvation. They are given a choice. They are not forced into anything they don't want. They're still better off working at the factory than not. Otherwise, they wouldn't work at the factory.

roman soldiers got payed in salt

and somalians are not that poor that theyre starving. theres some poor, but most ppl can feed themselves

On August 11 2009 20:19 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2009 13:02 FrinkX wrote: PEACHY LETS GO lets take cosmo, more girls for us I don't want anu to hate me

She was in my lap when I was reading the thread/writing this.

LOL!

On August 12 2009 13:25 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 12:59 Baal wrote:   On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote:   On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction. No, this is not true, you say its ok to sell a glass of water to a guy who is dying of dehydration on the desert in exchange for everything he has to his last penny, and that is exploitation regardless if he accepts or not. You can put a factory in Somalia and just pay their work with rice, and probably starving people would accept it, but its still awfully immoral and definitely exploitation. If he's dying of dehydration and he values his life more than all of his material wealth, then we're making a transaction that benefits both of us. I wouldn't call it nice or friendly, but if there's someone else offering water for a lower price he can take that option. Okay people in a poor country are nearly starving. They work at a factory for rice. They're earning food and lowering their chances or starvation. They are given a choice. They are not forced into anything they don't want. They're still better off working at the factory than not. Otherwise, they wouldn't work at the factory.

So you are saying you offering rice as payment in a somalian sweatshop and selling them for high prices in europe is ok?

You are also saying that is morally correct to sell this glass of water in exchange for all his possessions?


Well then there is no need to discuss this any further with you, i just hope i never meet you and i wish you realize what an increadible shitty human being you are.

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: So you are saying you offering rice as payment in a somalian sweatshop and selling them for high prices in europe is ok?

From the workers perspective, you are poor and starving. A company opens a factory offering to pay you rice. The rice isn't a lot, but it's better than no food at all, so you get a job at the factory. Your standard of living and quality of life has increased. If you're being ripped off, you go find another factory that pays better.

From the company's perspective, you are a company that manufactures goods. You have the option of manufacturing within your market country and paying 20 dollars an hour. You could also open a factory in whatever country (Somolia in your example) and pay 20 cents an hour, plus shipping costs. You make your products cheaper, the Somolians get food, the consumers get more product for less, and you profit. Everyone wins.

If it was not allowed on the grounds of "morality" to pay the workers 20 cents an hour, and you must pay them what their work is "worth", you might as well do it somewhere else where shipping is going to be less to keep costs down. No one in Somolia gets food, your production costs go up, consumers pay more for their product. Everyone loses.

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: You are also saying that is morally correct to sell this glass of water in exchange for all his possessions?

Morally correct is a slippery term. If it was anyone I cared about, I would likely give the glass of water for free. There are many unknowns in this example though. Do I need the water? How much does it cost to get water there? What if I need the value of all his possessions in order to pay for transportation out of the desert?

More importantly, Why does the dehydrated man's need come before all else? Does need always come first?

On August 12 2009 15:10 Baal wrote: Well then there is no need to discuss this any further with you, i just hope i never meet you and i wish you realize what an increadible shitty human being you are.

That is fine if you think so, but I feel you gravely misunderstood my views. If there is any one who shares Baal's view and wishes to engage in open-minded and friendly discourse, please contact me.

The example is really obvious, you do not need the water, and you dont need his fortune to get out of the desert are you fucking insane? why would you even ask such a ridiculous question.

You claim that as long as the person accepts the deal and both parties are better off it is not exploitation, so if u give him the glass of water in exchange for all his possessions he wont die and ur rich, he did it willingly so its not exploitation, and its morally correct.

Same example but instead of his belongings, he will be your slave for the rest of his life, its better than dying for him and he will probably accept so you think that is totally fine.

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On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: First you say: " These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc)" Then you say: "and honestly doubt they are holding their passports" Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. You just arbitrarily assume they are being exploited while all evidence points that they are not, just go to their site and look in how many places they have been featured, famous radio shows, on god damn PlayBoy TV etc, and you make it sound like its some underground thai whore house.

the example, was just that an example of severe exploitation.

That is still exploitation, and being well advertised does not mean there isn't blackmail or exploitation involved, of course it does make it a lot less likely.
and paying them less because they are from ukraine rather than denmark is taking advantage of them, and still exploitation. same principal as sweat shops, but on a completely different level.

My only pseudo evidence is their low prices, and it's enough to make me very skeptical. Also this vacation isn't really my cup of tea for much the same reasons you stated. I'm not saying omg slave labor ! ! just saying that if i were to look into this i would have all this crap in the back of my mind, and question hem accordingly. If it turns out they're legit and just aren't greedy so they take little off the top for themselves, then great more power too them, but i would make damn sure they were before considering it.

I may have overreacted a bit earlier <3

On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

does the fact that your exploiting their lesser understanding of what it's worth in the relevant market not weigh into the equation of morality?

i'd have to disagree with alex, even tho both parties are "benefiting" i wouldn't go as far as saying it's morally upstanding and correct. Although they are doing the countries a service in a way. At least treat humans like humans tho.

Economics can't justify morality or whatever the fuck imo.

On August 12 2009 23:37 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: First you say: " These girls are being exploited, maybe severely ( I.E they took their passports etc)" Then you say: "and honestly doubt they are holding their passports" Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. You just arbitrarily assume they are being exploited while all evidence points that they are not, just go to their site and look in how many places they have been featured, famous radio shows, on god damn PlayBoy TV etc, and you make it sound like its some underground thai whore house. the example, was just that an example of severe exploitation. That is still exploitation, and being well advertised does not mean there isn't blackmail or exploitation involved, of course it does make it a lot less likely. and paying them less because they are from ukraine rather than denmark is taking advantage of them, and still exploitation. same principal as sweat shops, but on a completely different level. My only pseudo evidence is their low prices, and it's enough to make me very skeptical. Also this vacation isn't really my cup of tea for much the same reasons you stated. I'm not saying omg slave labor ! ! just saying that if i were to look into this i would have all this crap in the back of my mind, and question hem accordingly. If it turns out they're legit and just aren't greedy so they take little off the top for themselves, then great more power too them, but i would make damn sure they were before considering it. I may have overreacted a bit earlier <3   On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote:   On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction. does the fact that your exploiting their lesser understanding of what it's worth in the relevant market not weigh into the equation of morality?

I dont see how $3,500 (u dont get any sex at that price) to $8,000 for 3 god damn days per person is in any way cheap, that is a lot of money.

planning a vacation with hookers is pathetic. You can get a hooker when you are drunk or something but going on a trip!? come on guys, that should suck.

There is this moment in Kusturica's film "Life is a Miracle", when the old man talks about a lady he liked to Luca and the girl. It goes like

Old man: "there was this girl I liked, and she told me-bring me grapes, and I will be yours. So I went to the market and brought the grapes".
They: "Then?"
Old Man: "How do you call when you do it? "
They: "Making love?"
Old Man: "Yes. So I was making love, and she was eating grapes..."

On August 13 2009 09:18 Baal wrote: I dont see how $3,500 (u dont get any sex at that price) to $8,000 for 3 god damn days per person is in any way cheap, that is a lot of money.

Really? You don't even get any sex at that price? Seems like false advertising lol.

Amazing. Would be awesome.

I would really like to agree with iamalex here but somehow Baal's examples feel like exploitation even if I cannot immediately explain why.

The uneasiness I feel might have something to do with the idea of actually being willing to let someone you could easily help die if he doesn't give you what you want.

yeye lets just all agree on that prostitutes are happy and enjoying life, I mean they are just trading a service for money there nobody is getting exploited blablabla lets go race cards and hunt unicorns

o and 9/11 was a conspiracy

oh and whatever you guys say i will disagree for the sake of it.

I like pie.

On August 12 2009 18:10 Baal wrote: The example is really obvious, you do not need the water, and you dont need his fortune to get out of the desert are you fucking insane? why would you even ask such a ridiculous question. You claim that as long as the person accepts the deal and both parties are better off it is not exploitation, so if u give him the glass of water in exchange for all his possessions he wont die and ur rich, he did it willingly so its not exploitation, and its morally correct. Same example but instead of his belongings, he will be your slave for the rest of his life, its better than dying for him and he will probably accept so you think that is totally fine.

Yes, as long as both parties have been honest and accepted the transaction willingly there is nothing wrong with it. If you took away the rights of both parties to make the transaction, that would be far worse than any infraction on what is "morally correct", which is a totally subjective term.

No, slavery is a different matter and it totally depends on means of enforcement. Slavery is by definition, forced labor. If the man signs a legal contract to work for you for x years and perform whatever duties definied and there is no violence or coercian in maintaining the contract, ok. I would not fault either party for accepting the transaction.

On August 13 2009 00:44 YoMeR wrote: i'd have to disagree with alex, even tho both parties are "benefiting" i wouldn't go as far as saying it's morally upstanding and correct. Although they are doing the countries a service in a way. At least treat humans like humans tho. Economics can't justify morality or whatever the fuck imo.

I have not used any language to imply the actions I have described are nessecarily morally upstanding and correct. I am merely arguing for the rights of every human being. Morality is subjective. Everyone has their own definitions and principles. However, it is within the rights of the company to open a factory and offer whatever payment they want, so long as they are honest. It is also within the rights of the country people to work at the factory. If you deny either party's rights then you are denying their freedoms on the grounds of a subjective idea of morality.

On August 13 2009 18:06 SakiSaki wrote: oh and whatever you guys say i will disagree for the sake of it.

you're so nice they named you twice.

On August 13 2009 17:48 Fudyann wrote: The uneasiness I feel might have something to do with the idea of actually being willing to let someone you could easily help die if he doesn't give you what you want.

keep in mind that it is within your best interest to sell him the water as well. If you do not need it and he does, you only gain when a transaction takes place.

Every day every person on this forum denies the man the glass of water. The difference is sometimes the man is a starving child in Africa, or some other unfortunate in need of resources we own in excess. These people merely do not have the possesions or economic worth for it to be worth it for us to trade with them, so in general, we don't.

I think offering rice as a payment for working in a factory can be an enormous help to the people who are so poor they would otherwise starve. Not only do they no longer starve, they learn how to work to sustain themselves, and they can work to build up some real economy and become self-sustainable later.

The desert example is different, in that you're easily and cheaply able to help a desperate man, and negotiating for all his belongings would require you to be willing to let him die if he refuses. Which makes me uncomfortable. In my opinion asking any payment at all is awful in that situation.

On August 12 2009 11:39 iamalex wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2009 08:13 Baal wrote: Anyway the problem here is that you are clueless about what is exploitation, exploitation is taking advantage of somebody and not giving them remotely the remuneration their work deserves. There is a big difference between that, and to hire a girl from Ukraine because hiring a Danish girl would cost you 5 times more and she would be uglier, but still the Ukranian girl is being paid pretty good, that is not exploitation. When it's wrong is when they are coerced into their work and their pay. Deserves has nothing to do with it. If they think it's fair pay and they accept it, then all is good. Both parties have benefited from the transaction.

does the fact that your exploiting their lesser understanding of what it's worth in the relevant market not weigh into the equation of morality?[/QUOTE]

I have not been discussing any such equation. I suspect it does play into your principles of morality. However their employer is not responsible for their lesser understanding and cannot be faulted for employing them.

On August 14 2009 11:23 Fudyann wrote: I think offering rice as a payment for working in a factory can be an enormous help to the people who are so poor they would otherwise starve. Not only do they no longer starve, they learn how to work to sustain themselves, and they can work to build up some real economy and become self-sustainable later. The desert example is different, in that you're easily and cheaply able to help a desperate man, and negotiating for all his belongings would require you to be willing to let him die if he refuses. Which makes me uncomfortable. In my opinion asking any payment at all is awful in that situation.

I don't disagree with you at all. It would take an emotionless man with little to no empathy to watch the dehydrated man die. However it is no ones place to deny either party the right to abstain from a trade or charitable gift.

No one has the right to force anyone to follow your idea of "morals."

But the idea of a person doing such a thing would make me feel extremely uncomfortable about him.

On August 14 2009 12:04 Fudyann wrote: No one has the right to force anyone to follow your idea of "morals." But the idea of a person doing such a thing would make me feel extremely uncomfortable about him.

I believe we are in agreement then.

You likely should feel very uncomfortable, as this man doesn't see how helping others can benefit himself and has little empathy. If he refuses to make any trade then he is benefitting more from the mans death than a trade of goods. In other words, he wants the man to die, and he wants to watch. But this is all highly situational.

ffs people its a vacation spot. can we not dismantle every little pleasure in life with these pointless debates? as if your morals would actually be steadfastly intact with 7 bombshells in front of you on a tropical island. "oh i can't plow your fun tunnel because utilitarianism says so".

if you would love to go and post "awesome!" like the rest of us, otherwise please please please tell me why for the love of god would you want to turn a piece of heaven on earth into a 7 page logical debate, that is just insanity