10NL guidelines.

I just took this screenshot, it looks like a little less than half the numerous nl10 tables at ftp are playing really loose (>35% players to flop), enjoy!

First 10000 Hands have alot of variance. Second playing nitty is not "the" way to beat the game. Its just very easy. Every hand that you play, that you can make a profit with is good. If you dont play these hands you are missing out on money, since the game is a race against the blinds. Just valuebet relentlessly and you should be able to beat Nl10 easily.

eh, playing nitty is fine at these stakes. Maybe not optimal (which is what ytricky is saying I think), but fine. The point is I think your definition of nitty might need some fine tuning if you can't find loose nl10 games...

On October 21 2009 15:02 Sicks Macks wrote: I just took this screenshot, it looks like a little less than half the numerous nl10 tables at ftp are playing really loose (>35% players to flop), enjoy!

that's because the tables started as HU. I just did the same thing for nl100 there were 5 tables with the same stats

Not sure you if have some type of program like Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker running, but I would be interested to see exactly what your stats are and if they really fall in line with a "nit". Are you only raising good hands? If this is the case you might want try slow playing or check raising more often. If you have AA and the flop is dry is not always necessary to continuation bet. Let the fish catch up because once they hit their pair they will immediately get married to it.

Also,try raising small pocket pairs or suited connectors more often when you have position. Try not to be the predictable nit, open up your range!

These are my stats for NL10 for this month so far, so it is possible to do well at this limit. You just need to adjust your style because clearly it is not working.

On October 21 2009 15:22 Holly23 wrote: Not sure you if have some type of program like Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker running, but I would be interested to see exactly what your stats are and if they really fall in line with a "nit". Are you only raising good hands? If this is the case you might want try slow playing or check raising more often. If you have AA and the flop is dry is not always necessary to continuation bet. Let the fish catch up because once they hit their pair they will immediately get married to it. Also,try raising small pocket pairs or suited connectors more often when you have position. Try not to be the predictable nit, open up your range! These are my stats for NL10 for this month so far, so it is possible to do well at this limit. You just need to adjust your style because clearly it is not working.

Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often.

On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often.

I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit.

Going back to the OP, the point i'm trying to make is find your own style. These nits have watched way to many Card Runner videos and as result all play the same. Playing ABC poker at higher limits is fine, but if you want to beat the microstakes you need to do something differently. I can't name how many times when I'm playing I look up super nit on tableratings.com and they are down overall even though they have put in significant amount of hands.

On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit.

That's called a heater.

On October 21 2009 15:21 street_hooker wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:02 Sicks Macks wrote: I just took this screenshot, it looks like a little less than half the numerous nl10 tables at ftp are playing really loose (>35% players to flop), enjoy! that's because the tables started as HU. I just did the same thing for nl100 there were 5 tables with the same stats

what? I didn't organize these at all, I just hit printscreen. There are at least 30 tables like this right now, and it's not because they just started...

Lol the nl200 games must have 4 calling stations on every table because theres 9 tables with 34+ plrs/flop. So much for that being accurate.

On October 21 2009 15:46 street_hooker wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit. That's called a heater.

Yeah you are right, judging by my graph at NL2, I went on a 110,000 hand heater. I amaze myself! It must just be all luck, a particular style at microstakes had nothing to do with it

On October 21 2009 15:51 Holly23 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:46 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit. That's called a heater. Yeah you are right, judging by my graph at NL2, I went on a 110,000 hand heater. I amaze myself!

6000 hands and 15 buyins Isn't indicative of anything.

Huh? Those are probably just good nl200 games... It's not really a struggle to find 15 good nl200 games. I'm not really sure if one or both of us isn't very confused about what the other is saying.

On October 21 2009 15:51 street_hooker wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:51 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:46 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit. That's called a heater. Yeah you are right, judging by my graph at NL2, I went on a 110,000 hand heater. I amaze myself! 6000 hands and 15 buyins Isn't indicative of anything.

I referring to my NL2 graph in my Blog, so clearly it is indicative of something.

On October 21 2009 15:50 street_hooker wrote: Lol the nl200 games must have 4 calling stations on every table because theres 9 tables with 34+ plrs/flop. So much for that being accurate.

Yeah, those are just excellent nl200 games. notice the stacksizes of the players next time you make a snarky comment.

I assure you those nl10 games are not that great either. I've seen plenty of nits playing in them and hardly breaking even.

On October 21 2009 15:54 Holly23 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:51 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:51 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:46 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit. That's called a heater. Yeah you are right, judging by my graph at NL2, I went on a 110,000 hand heater. I amaze myself! 6000 hands and 15 buyins Isn't indicative of anything. I referring to my NL2 graph in my Blog, so clearly it is indicative of something. The guy in the OP claims out of 11,000 hands his profit is only 40 cents. This is a clear indication he is doing something wrong. Being up 155.00 in 6,000 is a clear indication something is being done right.

That is not a clear indication at all. It would be very easy to run bad and go breakeven over 11k hands. By that same logic, your 6k hand sample also means nothing. Hop over to the articles section of this site and look up the article on variance. Do the calculations for your own hand sample and see that the range that you could be up/down at this point is HUGE.

It's also possible to go on a sick sick heater for 200k hands like this guy http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/leiping

On October 21 2009 16:07 tec27 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2009 15:54 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:51 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:51 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:46 street_hooker wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:44 Holly23 wrote:   On October 21 2009 15:30 ytricky wrote: [Gotta work on that man. Get your PFR and VPIP closer together and be more agressive postflop. You are going to showdown too often. I agree that I need to increase my PFR, but this current style that I'm using is extremely effective for me. My profit in relation to my hand sample is well above what an average person makes at this limit. That's called a heater. Yeah you are right, judging by my graph at NL2, I went on a 110,000 hand heater. I amaze myself! 6000 hands and 15 buyins Isn't indicative of anything. I referring to my NL2 graph in my Blog, so clearly it is indicative of something. The guy in the OP claims out of 11,000 hands his profit is only 40 cents. This is a clear indication he is doing something wrong. Being up 155.00 in 6,000 is a clear indication something is being done right. That is not a clear indication at all. It would be very easy to run bad and go breakeven over 11k hands. By that same logic, your 6k hand sample also means nothing. Hop over to the articles section of this site and look up the article on variance. Do the calculations for your own hand sample and see that the range that you could be up/down at this point is HUGE.

So you acquaint his 40 cent profit in a 11,000 hand sample to just running bad? Nothing to do with style?

The only thing i'm trying to emphasize here is that what he is doing is not working. Blaming all loses on hands like AA, KK, AK, etc not holding is poor justification.

I look at players, like vital[Myth], Frinkx, etc and I do not relate their success to just heaters, it is skill. A unique style and skill if that...