Official SlowHabit Review Thread - Page 8

Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site.

Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks.

On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks.

Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it.

As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book?

The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money.

As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play.

On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is.

I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

On November 19 2009 17:08 phexac wrote: On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is. I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

you get buttfcked by locklizard

On November 19 2009 17:08 phexac wrote: On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is. I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

that's why I always buy German books, they have great resell value

On November 19 2009 17:03 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks. Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it. As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book? The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money. As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play.

www.dailyvariance.com

And while if I were just starting out there would be no way I'd ever pay over 100 dollars for HEM because I was broke, if let's say suddenly all HEM/PT3/etc. serial codes stopped working today and you had to re-register and pay 10k to use it again I would do that. Of course it's all relative, but I feel like its implied value is actually even far greater than that, imo .

On November 19 2009 17:44 PanoRaMa wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 17:03 phexac wrote:   On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks. Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it. As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book? The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money. As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play. www.dailyvariance.com And while if I were just starting out there would be no way I'd ever pay over 100 dollars for HEM because I was broke, if let's say suddenly all HEM/PT3/etc. serial codes stopped working today and you had to re-register and pay 10k to use it again I would do that. Of course it's all relative, but I feel like its implied value is actually even far greater than that, imo .

You might be the only one. PT/HEM are extremely useful tools for multi-tabling, but they are definitely not worth $10k. I think you are vastly overvaluing some of the tools you use.

EDIT: Especially considering that both HEM/PT and this book can be had for free illegally. I doubt if I looked hard enough, I would not find a person a month from now willing to give me this book or have it posted on some Russian pirate site.

Obviously I would think it'd be ludicrous if that actually happened. I'm just trying to get a point across dude.

Anyway I'm 1/3 of the way done with the book and I have an incredibly hard time believing anyone who plays below 1/2 already "knows" this stuff. You guys already understand combinatorics, proper 3 barreling theory, proper range protection, and have already figured out optimal overbetting spots and timing? Half the 2/4 and 3/6 regs on FTP don't even know most of this. You guys should move up, imo. Including the 50nl guy who said he gained nothing from this book, if you are reading this as a low stakes player and feel like you know everything then either A) youre skimming and think you understand things based on the title alone, B) you aren't giving much thought at all into the subtleties and core of it all, i.e. of board textures which this book does (and is probably one of my favorite traits about it so far), or C) I just suck and am months behind the current metagame.

Honestly, if you completely understood everything in this book, there's no real reason why you should be at anywhere below 200nl.

For all of you saying sample size and such, I really think 7k hands is enough to tell youre at least showing some improvement in taking down pots without showdown. With that said, i'd still like to see some graphs with larger sample sizes.

Would you guys recommend this to strictly HU players as well?

On November 19 2009 18:47 PanoRaMa wrote: Obviously I would think it'd be ludicrous if that actually happened. I'm just trying to get a point across dude. Anyway I'm 1/3 of the way done with the book and I have an incredibly hard time believing anyone who plays below 1/2 already "knows" this stuff. You guys already understand combinatorics, proper 3 barreling theory, proper range protection, and have already figured out optimal overbetting spots and timing? Half the 2/4 and 3/6 regs on FTP don't even know most of this. You guys should move up, imo. Including the 50nl guy who said he gained nothing from this book, if you are reading this as a low stakes player and feel like you know everything then either A) youre skimming and think you understand things based on the title alone, B) you aren't giving much thought at all into the subtleties and core of it all, i.e. of board textures which this book does (and is probably one of my favorite traits about it so far), or C) I just suck and am months behind the current metagame. Honestly, if you completely understood everything in this book, there's no real reason why you should be at anywhere below 200nl.

Very much agreed. I'm a winning NL50 player and many of the concepts in this book were new to me (and I was unsure about lots of the decisions in the quiz).

The best thing about this book imo is that it looks at things in much greater detail than the advice you'll find in forums or most other books. By showing how the correct play might differ on a rainbow board compared to the same board but with two of the same suits for example, you start understanding the underlying concepts behind making harder and closer decisions (decisions you never even needed to make at the micros in order to crush them).

That said, while the book is definitely worth its price for at least every NL50-100 player, I don't think it's perfect. The theory parts of the book are helpful, but they're not ground-breaking and rather than outlining a general game plan, SlowHabit just introduces a few weapons for a player to add to his arsenal (3-barreling, overbets, turning low pairs into bluffs, etc.). If you're a losing player whose game needs a major overhaul, this probably isn't the book for it. Other than that I was very happy with my purchase and I'll definitely end up doing the quiz more than once.

phexac, you don't fucking play NL600 why do you keep saying "NL200-600" in your posts. It is so goddamn stupid and tilts me so hard

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for some reason, i laughed out loud at maynard's post

On November 20 2009 10:27 exalted wrote: phexac, you don't fucking play NL600 why do you keep saying "NL200-600" in your posts. It is so goddamn stupid and tilts me so hard

My dear exalted,

For whatever reason, you feel the need to comment in every thread I post in how bad I am etc. I realize that you have nothing better to do, and are just angry in general. But don't you think that just because I believe you suffer from an acute case of fancy play syndrome, look to make plays for their own sake, and then have no idea on how to proceed, does not mean you should devote your entire existence to haunting my humble person?

Stay on topic boys

On November 20 2009 18:14 RICHI8 wrote: Stay on topic boys

simple question
dunno if anyone asked this already
can i print this book?

On November 21 2009 11:23 Minion wrote: simple question dunno if anyone asked this already can i print this book?

Yes. All our books are printable.

i just finished reading the book it was worth it , too lazy to write a review but it was ok , not amazing stuff or something that will drastically change a players game but it was ok for the price

i liked "let there be range " better

i want one