Official SlowHabit Review Thread

Here is a list of people that have received Tri "SlowHabit" Nguyen's The No-Limit Workbook: Exploiting Regulars.

1. RICHI8
2. Night201
3. Lachlan
4. edzwoo
5. PplusAD

My review:

When Tri gave this book to all of us he urged that we write a fair, unbiased review and to not feel pressured to write something positive just because it was given to us for free. After reading the first few chapters I had more poker epiphanies than I can count on two hands. The main concept that this book drives home is hand ranges which is something I think a lot of NL50-NL200 grinders think a little about, but no where near as much as they should.

Tri does an excellent job of putting his thought process into words so that you can easily grasp the information that he presents. He uses examples that you will surely see the next time you play a session. The book is comprised of several chapters explaining the concepts followed by 35 hand histories as examples. Every hand is dissected carefully to explain the correct move in each spot. The thing that makes this book so much better than any poker book I've read is that it is about the games today, not the loose-passive games of 3 years ago. You can't just find a table with you and 5 fish anymore, they don't exist above NL10.

A lot of people have read the other NL books that teach them the basics and that gets them to a TAG style of play. The problem with every other poker book aimed at this level of play is that it only teaches you how to play a TAG style against a bunch of fish, it doesn't teach you how play against other TAG regulars which you inevitably will do every session no matter how well you game select.

The #1 problem I see with a lot of people buying this book is that it doesn't offer a lot on pre-flop play. This book was written with you expecting to know how to play pre-flop and have a decent grasp on poker, this book is solely about destroying regulars post flop. Although I must say, there are a couple hands he goes over that teach you what to do with certain 3-betting hands that blew my mind and made me realize how many mistakes I was making with these hands pre-flop.

My favorite part about the book is that all of the moves and actions he has you do are things you would never think of doing. Why? Because I'm the TAG regular that Tri is teaching me how to exploit. Through this process you learn about how to beat other TAGs and at the same time uncover a lot of your leaks. I've read about 5 other NL poker books and most of them feature the same regurgitated information, this is the first book I've read that is so focused and unique in the information it presents.

The audience that Tri wanted to get out to is the NL50-NL200 crowd which I think this is perfect for. I'll even recommend it for NL25 players and if you play NL25 or NL50 spend the 2-4 buy-ins and pre-order this book for half the cost before it comes out. If you play NL100-NL200 you have to be a moron to not buy this book. If this book doesn't give you countless mental orgasms while reading it then you are either already a pretty good poker player or will remain a hopeless grinder for the rest of your poker career.

Cheap fuckers won't send me a copy (its an e-book, YOU CAN PRINT IT AND STAPLE IT TOGETHER YO!)

yeh how about an official slowhabit distribution thread

lol I should read that just so that I know what every MSNL reg is going to be doing over the next 3 months.

I also got one

bump. Finished reading the book last night and put my review in the original post.

Who is SlowHabit? What is he famous for? Is he just a good solid 1kNL regular or some chump?

and how can u get this book?
price?

On November 13 2009 12:12 Twisted wrote: Who is SlowHabit? What is he famous for? Is he just a good solid 1kNL regular or some chump?

Slowhabit himself I think has had some pretty decent results but yeah I think he's not really very known.

However, he is the co-author of the book "Let There Be Range", which of course is famous because of CTS's input.

I PMed Slowhabit but no response T_T.

The book can be ordered at www.dailyvariance.com (The Workbook).

kingsofcards also co-authored this book.

On November 13 2009 12:13 jantje123 wrote: and how can u get this book? price?

http://dailyvariance.com/the-workbook.html

$97 pre-ordered (pre-order ends in 2 days)
$197 after it's released.

i wonder if i should get this i did plan on trying some cash for a while... but id be starting around 25nl/50nl so worth it for me?

Definitely worth it. I'm a struggling NL50 player and its helped me heaps.

Should do this with his omaha book, for some select, fine individuals of this here site.

....
*HINT* *HINT*

...
*Nudge* *Nudge*

.......... *wink* *wink*

whos tri nguyen? I never heard his name before, and is he vietnamese?

On November 13 2009 12:12 Twisted wrote: Who is SlowHabit? What is he famous for? Is he just a good solid 1kNL regular or some chump?

yeah i've never heard of him either

AFAIK SlowHabit is one of the old school PartyPoker regs that crushed the games for insane winrates.

I've read his PLO and CTS book, Tri is definitely a good player who knows what he's talking about, and definitely has a v good grasp of game theory. He is limited by his own style though, if anything, which is pretty apparent from the parts he wrote in his CTS book. I'm sure this new small stakes book is really really good though and if I were playing small stakes I'd prob snap buy this without any second thought.

I think at least one review should be done by a NL2k+ reg.

--- Nuked ---

Isnt slowhabit some swedish zerg? Im guessing its not the same guy :o

lachlan got one to wtfffff how did i miss out

oh well im sure its a fine book and all

Im really doubting if I should get this book, I mean If you had sent it to like Midian or Twisted and they had given it a good review Id insta buy it .

it might not be geared towards the higher stakes players he probably wants you to buy let there be range

I'm unsure as to whether or not this book would be helpful.

It may be worthwhile for reasons phexac mentioned.

The book for 97$ is E-book ???

he sent me an email about it too, replied to it to the email address he gave me but still no answer..

yeah i am pretty tempted to buy this as ima get back into poker i think/hope, but i rly wanna hear from some midstakes players its worth it.

Hi,

This is the unknown chump. Please be kind

One thing no one has mentioned is nosebleeder kingsofcards helped me with the book. He's really good and is one of the best NL players in the world. He also play a style that is "easier" to learn and you can see why in the quiz section. According to many reviews, the Quiz is the best part by far. He has a well over at 2p2 and you can learn more about him: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56/medium-stakes-pl-nl/well-kingsofcards-539219/

As for me, I play up to 10/20nl and recently spend a lot of time on PLO because PLO is a really beautiful game and is very addicting. It also feel good to "get" PLO while there are so many helpless souls grinding at the tables.

Some people asked me whether they should learn NL or PLO in the current state of games. If you are planning to be a professional poker player, I would start with NL even though PLO is a more profitable game right now. The reason is a lot of poker concepts and fundamentals are easier to learn in NL than in PLO. Thus, it's easier to transition from NL to PLO than the other way around. It's not surprising that the best NL players pick up PLO very quickly but the opposite isn't true. If you just want to make a few bucks here and there, I think picking up PLO is a better route since there's a good chance you'll run hot and keep running hot.

Feel free to ask anything. For those who are unsure of my poker credentials, I recently did a radio interview on Mediocre Poker Radio and you can check me out at:
Radio Interview . Hopefully, I can get some street cred.

All the best,
- Tri

how much of an influence does kingsofcards have on this book? is it just a few chapters that he wrote or is he involved in every chapter? etc

who else is involved in the book and how big a part do they play in it?

not that i dont respect your game or anything, i just think its important to completely explain what part kingsofcards has in this book if you're using him to help sell it.

thanks

any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf...

On November 13 2009 15:08 Thunderous wrote: i have this book, msg for details

Mod edit:Dont worry, he's already banned. I even pm'ed him what he means with that post and he said he can sell it to me, LOL.
-Defrag.

concrescene,

Those are very good questions and I'm not offended at all.

kingsofcards read the text and offered his advice on the chapters I've written, especially the section regarding the Quiz. In the Quiz, we went in depth regarding which lines to take, board structures, and how often a play would work.

The HHs in the quiz are particularly helpful because I used an approach that hasn't been before but have been very well-received by many of our reviewers. Often times, when you are watching a video at a training site (or reading forum posts), a respected player will say that his decision making will changed based on board structure, whether Villain check or bet, etc but never take the time to expand on it. In the book, we actually go through these hypothetical scenarios and give you our reasoning.

For example, you have JTo in a 3-bet pot. Your opponent checks to you. What is your decision on a 8s9s2c flop and and on a 8c9s2d flop? A lot of players fail to recognize the huge difference between these two board textures and how it should influence the way you play your hand.

Another example is which hands would you flat more often pre-flop, AA or KK? In what game conditions and against what type of opponents do you flat more with AA or KK. Again, although the scenario seems simple, a lot of players fail to recognize the difference and it's costing them money.

Feel free to ask more.

On November 13 2009 17:57 concrescence wrote: how much of an influence does kingsofcards have on this book? is it just a few chapters that he wrote or is he involved in every chapter? etc who else is involved in the book and how big a part do they play in it? not that i dont respect your game or anything, i just think its important to completely explain what part kingsofcards has in this book if you're using him to help sell it. thanks

On November 13 2009 18:30 salutary wrote: any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf...

Limited-time offer (24-hours). Use the code LP10 to get 10% off the pre-order price.

I am so looking forward to this
will start reading on monday i guess ( Lots of university stuff to do till then)

From what other people reviewd this book seems to exactly help where i struggle

I have played NL50-Nl200 in 2009
I beat NL50 6max with a tag style for a ~ 2,5-3ptbb /100 winrate
I am basically longterm breakeven on Nl100 forever and just had a few shots at NL200 after running hot at Nl100 from time to time

My main problem is that often on Nl100 tables everybody plays the same as me >-< and all the money just comes from setups ...

really hope this will help

Think I'm gonna get it. Interested in what is said in it .

On November 14 2009 06:13 SlowHabit wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2009 18:30 salutary wrote: any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf... Limited-time offer (24-hours). Use the code LP10 to get 10% off the pre-order price.

appreciate the offer still an ebook

id pay the 90 bux if you ship a hardcopy over

The example quiz question was pretty basic stuff for me. It's just 90$ though but yeah an e-book kinda sucks I'm not even sure if I'm gonna read past like 5 pages cuz I don't like reading long text samples on the internet.

cheap fucker wont send me a copy

lp hospitality

how'd you guys get chosen to receive a free copy? I missed that, heh.

i was told i would be given an ebook, still nothing up to now. i emailed dailyvariance support already.

On November 14 2009 10:42 k2o4 wrote: how'd you guys get chosen to receive a free copy? I missed that, heh.

Guess its because we have an active blog and are active posters on LP
and totally fit the audience this book is aming for
NL50-Nl200 grinders who are around quite a while but showed medicore results.

i really thank slowhabit for this opportunity
I was reading through teh chapters and some handexamples briefly a few minutes ago

and so far some of the things i ve read are nice.
There where lots of momments while flying over the pages where i felt like : " Yeha i guessd that i should play like this .. but i was never really sure "
this few moments alone strengthend my confidence a bit showing me that some of my ideas i developed the last months are in fact + ev

Alright just ordered it, I guess I will be able to dl it tomorrow, gonna let you guys know what I think .

On November 13 2009 12:23 exalted wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2009 12:12 Twisted wrote: Who is SlowHabit? What is he famous for? Is he just a good solid 1kNL regular or some chump? Slowhabit himself I think has had some pretty decent results but yeah I think he's not really very known. However, he is the co-author of the book "Let There Be Range", which of course is famous because of CTS's input. I PMed Slowhabit but no response T_T. The book can be ordered at www.dailyvariance.com (The Workbook).

he's the author of the book. CTS only wrote like 3 chapters... have no clue why people refer to the book as "the CTS book" when Slowhabit basically wrote the entire thing.

Let There Be Range is like a mandatory read for everyone btw. Talking about hands with people who don't know some of the fundamentals in that book is the tilt

lul im on 50nl since like 8 months and im pretty active on LP where s my freebook
meeeh whatever if u release it as a "hard" copy i d insta buy

Let there be range is still at like 1k, when it goes under 500 ill get it and finally have all the secrets :d

ordered, looking forward for it

I'm a lot like most of you and hate reading on the computer and have never finished an e-book. The way he writes and breaks everything down is very thorough but concise at the same time that you just become enthralled. You won't regret buying this book.

On November 14 2009 06:13 SlowHabit wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2009 18:30 salutary wrote: any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf... Limited-time offer (24-hours). Use the code LP10 to get 10% off the pre-order price.

Can we get that applied if we already preordered?

On November 14 2009 09:13 Twisted wrote: The example quiz question was pretty basic stuff for me. It's just 90$ though but yeah an e-book kinda sucks I'm not even sure if I'm gonna read past like 5 pages cuz I don't like reading long text samples on the internet.

The book is printable

On November 14 2009 13:46 ShadowDrgn wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2009 06:13 SlowHabit wrote:   On November 13 2009 18:30 salutary wrote: any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf... Limited-time offer (24-hours). Use the code LP10 to get 10% off the pre-order price. Can we get that applied if we already preordered?

Yes. Email DailyVarianceBook@gmail.com with the subject "Rebate LP10."

On November 14 2009 13:51 SlowHabit wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2009 13:46 ShadowDrgn wrote:   On November 14 2009 06:13 SlowHabit wrote:   On November 13 2009 18:30 salutary wrote: any discounts for lp memebers? considering its just a pdf... Limited-time offer (24-hours). Use the code LP10 to get 10% off the pre-order price. Can we get that applied if we already preordered? Yes. Email DailyVarianceBook@gmail.com with the subject "Rebate LP10."

thanks

Awesome, thanks. Looking forward to reading the book tomorrow.

lol I am sure that SlowHabit is actually really good, but whenever I hear about him all I can think about his Johnny Chan owning his soul on TV at the Main Event lol editing.

On November 14 2009 15:02 BigRed0000 wrote: lol I am sure that SlowHabit is actually really good, but whenever I hear about him all I can think about his Johnny Chan owning his soul on TV at the Main Event lol editing.

That's what I get for making a move on Chan.

I couldn't resist. Here's my trip report for the 2008 Main Event Trip Report.

On November 13 2009 16:08 hansen jr. wrote: he sent me an email about it too, replied to it to the email address he gave me but still no answer..

finally received it so will tell you guys what i think about it in a day or two

On November 14 2009 15:35 SlowHabit wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2009 15:02 BigRed0000 wrote: lol I am sure that SlowHabit is actually really good, but whenever I hear about him all I can think about his Johnny Chan owning his soul on TV at the Main Event lol editing. That's what I get for making a move on Chan. I couldn't resist. Here's my trip report for the 2008 Main Event Trip Report.

awesome TR. Didn't know you wrote that but I just read it all .

good idea with the printing

Awesome I definitely plan on checking this out once I get to a decent limit.

On November 14 2009 15:02 BigRed0000 wrote: lol I am sure that SlowHabit is actually really good, but whenever I hear about him all I can think about his Johnny Chan owning his soul on TV at the Main Event lol editing.

vids?

All you guys who got this for free it's a pretty sweet opportunity to improve your game. Damn I shouldn't have been so inactive the past few months

oh yeah this reminds me, i read some of slowhabit's PLO book a few months back and i was supposed to write a review for him here and never did bc i am a lazy poker player. i suck, sry about that Tri from what i did read though (about the first half) it seems really good and you def should buy it if youre trying to transition from nl to plo, it'll save you a ton of time and money by pointing you in the right direction and giving you the jist, compared to trying to go at it yourself with no help

bought it earlier, hopefully i can print it off to read it.

nice 10% off for LP also

On November 14 2009 19:33 lazymej wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2009 15:02 BigRed0000 wrote: lol I am sure that SlowHabit is actually really good, but whenever I hear about him all I can think about his Johnny Chan owning his soul on TV at the Main Event lol editing. vids? All you guys who got this for free it's a pretty sweet opportunity to improve your game. Damn I shouldn't have been so inactive the past few months

A really awesome opportunity. Thank god I blogged at the right time. I read it in about 2 days. It won't be the last time I read it either.

well i wasn't sent my copy FML

i just checked kingofcards ptr and he is down like 250k but still im buying the book

On November 14 2009 22:28 Darki wrote: i just checked kingofcards ptr and he is down like 250k but still im buying the book

That's probably his FTP account since that's 2.5 buy-ins at Rail Heaven.

His Stars account has much better results.

rofl

anyway, i just ordered the book online. i guess i have to wait until nov 15? and then the dl will be available?

hey slowhabit, i already emailed support@dailyvariance.com and accepted the offer, no one's replied yet and no one sent me the ebook

what does kingsofcards have to do with this book?
edit: he co authored the no limit workbook?

On November 14 2009 23:50 whamm! wrote: hey slowhabit, i already emailed support@dailyvariance.com and accepted the offer, no one's replied yet and no one sent me the ebook

its preorder

comes out soon

On November 15 2009 00:19 MezmerizePLZ wrote: what does kingsofcards have to do with this book? edit: he co authored the no limit workbook?

Tom helped me with the content in the book, specifically the quiz section.

slowhabit have we played together?

lol KOC downswonging

On November 15 2009 01:13 MezmerizePLZ wrote: slowhabit have we played together?

Probably not. If we did play, it's only for a few hands back in 2007. I don't play 25/50nl

90$ for an e-book by an online player

or

30$ for any of the Harrington series, SuperSystem and many others

Tell me, SlowHabit, what is it about your e-book that makes it 3x as expensive as paperback copies of books from players who are MUCH more known. I'm not flaming, I'm honestly asking. Regardless of how good you are, why would a middlestakes player buy 1 e-book for the price he could get 2-3 regular books?

Idk, at a normal price I mightve snagged a copy, at 90$, unless this book is some sort of legendary new recipe to poker we've never seen anywhere else, it's mad overpriced.

harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today
games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95

On November 15 2009 07:39 concrescence wrote: harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95

That was just an example, I'm just saying the average poker book is in the 25-40$ range. Seems like at 90$, two things will happen. It won't sell as much, and within 2 weeks there'll be a copy on every torrent site out there.

On November 15 2009 07:52 dafcnz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 07:39 concrescence wrote: harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95 That was just an example, I'm just saying the average poker book is in the 25-40$ range. Seems like at 90$, two things will happen. It won't sell as much, and within 2 weeks there'll be a copy on every torrent site out there.

the average poker book totally fails to meet the requirements of modern midstakes online play.
the average poker book is always about TAG vs 4 Fish on the table
times have changed
nowadays its U vs 3 regs and 2 semi fish

yes, all old books suck hairy balls, Harrington sucks at poker to todays standards and so does Doyle and its a good thing these books are so expensive so the fish are not educated

On November 15 2009 07:52 dafcnz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 07:39 concrescence wrote: harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95 That was just an example, I'm just saying the average poker book is in the 25-40$ range. Seems like at 90$, two things will happen. It won't sell as much, and within 2 weeks there'll be a copy on every torrent site out there.

Lol, being a swede I have done my fair share of torrenting. To be honest, it's getting SUPER hard to find the poker e-books that are actually useful, since the people who get them don't want others to have them. Especially not for free, so the torrent thing isn't to true at all. It's much easier getting ahold of the paperback books in PDF formats than it is the online, pro asian ebooks. Also, alot of the files with poker content have a fair risk of containing loggers and whatnot, so, yeah.

ugh, seems ive gotta email to get some key for the locklizard software that wasnt sent to me-.-

oh well

Is pre-order still available ?!!
Plz fast response

On November 15 2009 07:52 dafcnz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 07:39 concrescence wrote: harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95 That was just an example, I'm just saying the average poker book is in the 25-40$ range. Seems like at 90$, two things will happen. It won't sell as much, and within 2 weeks there'll be a copy on every torrent site out there.

try to find let there be range

Not sure if I'm going to buy this but I am really looking forward to being able to buy your PLO book, currently it'd be far too much of my bankroll but hopefully that won't be true for long.

On November 15 2009 11:46 bane wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 07:52 dafcnz wrote:   On November 15 2009 07:39 concrescence wrote: harringtons books were released in 1914 and this was released today games have changed a ton in the last 5 years never mind the last 95 That was just an example, I'm just saying the average poker book is in the 25-40$ range. Seems like at 90$, two things will happen. It won't sell as much, and within 2 weeks there'll be a copy on every torrent site out there. try to find let there be range

I did a quick google search to see if really a book could be left without being pirated and there seems to be quite a bit of torrent sites that claim to have it, no doubt those torrents have keyloggers in them though.

Pirating inside of a community to which you belong just seems so wrong. I know if I were a musician I wouldn't download music torrents.

This book only costs a couple to a few buy ins depending on your stakes and the money you will win from reading it is more than worth it.
Think of it like this: this book still costs less than most college textbooks. Any book with specified material that isn't widely known or available to the public is going to be expensive but poker books are probably the only books where the investment can be recovered in a short period of time.

i didn't get a locklizard dl webpage in my spam box. it's not a unique one is it? can i just go to locklizard main page and get it therE?

those torrent sites don't actually have it, they pretend like they have everything so that you'll register at their site

its all automated bot bullshit putting up file names

On November 15 2009 14:05 mnj wrote: i didn't get a locklizard dl webpage in my spam box. it's not a unique one is it? can i just go to locklizard main page and get it therE?

The software isn't unique, but your license is.

Email support@dailyvariance.com and you will be taken care of.

zzzzzzzz hate to give a bad review, i read the first 5 chapters and am really regretting my purchase. i don't think there's much help in this book that most of you wouldn't already know. and i only play nl 50. i'm not trying at all to toot my horn or this isn't some retarded brag post. just thought i'd give my own short review.

do i recommend: no
how much did i pay: 90
why do i not recommend: pretty mundane knowledge that's better spent @ 3 months on a dc subscription (or 1 month with a HEM discount would be a better deal if you don't have hem yet)
what limits do i play: i play nl 50 (although i'm not that big of a winner, which is why i'm somewhat hesitant to say anything bad about this product)

don't get me wrong this book is definitely going to help a few ppl, but i feel most of the ppl here understand most of these concepts and they need help applying these concepts (a coach who pushes) not because they don't know it (a book which lays out the foundation)

mnj,

Thank you for your mini-review.

Please give the book a chance and finish it. At the very least, read The Exam.

All the best,
- Tri

On November 15 2009 14:55 mnj wrote: zzzzzzzz hate to give a bad review, i read the first 5 chapters and am really regretting my purchase. i don't think there's much help in this book that most of you wouldn't already know. and i only play nl 50. i'm not trying at all to toot my horn or this isn't some retarded brag post. just thought i'd give my own short review.

i really think this is the problem here

Sometimes its hard to realize how little u really knew when u dont have a semi decent poker knowledge as foundation.
( Dont know if it becomes clear what i mean ... )

Like if u start Karate training and the teacher shows u a Kick and a punch ...
after 3 months of training u can do a kick and a punch.
After that u get some instrucional video about MMA striking that is very good
but u get dissapointed since there is nothing new in it for u ... after all u can allready kick and punch

maybe it becomes clear what i meant ?

i personally think lots of that stuff is borderline for NL50 since all the concepts require half way competent villians to be sucesfull
u really must pick your villian wisely if u apply the agression concepts of that book

On November 15 2009 14:55 mnj wrote: zzzzzzzz hate to give a bad review, i read the first 5 chapters and am really regretting my purchase. i don't think there's much help in this book that most of you wouldn't already know. and i only play nl 50. i'm not trying at all to toot my horn or this isn't some retarded brag post. just thought i'd give my own short review. do i recommend: no how much did i pay: 90 why do i not recommend: pretty mundane knowledge that's better spent @ 3 months on a dc subscription (or 1 month with a HEM discount would be a better deal if you don't have hem yet) what limits do i play: i play nl 50 (although i'm not that big of a winner, which is why i'm somewhat hesitant to say anything bad about this product) don't get me wrong this book is definitely going to help a few ppl, but i feel most of the ppl here understand most of these concepts and they need help applying these concepts (a coach who pushes) not because they don't know it (a book which lays out the foundation)

lololol any legit advice from a high stakers player whos 10000x better than you is worth than your bankroll

I know results speak louder than words. Here is a blog from someone who read the book a few days ago. It's a small sample size but you can see the major difference between his before and after graph.

http://www.leggopoker.com/blogs/losti...-after-book-exploiting-regs-6384.html

any LP 200nl+ players buy this? I'd like to hear what you have to say about the book.

It seems that most (if not all) of the reviews so far are from 50nl players.

On November 15 2009 19:58 SlowHabit wrote: I know results speak louder than words. Here is a blog from someone who read the book a few days ago. It's a small sample size but you can see the major difference between his before and after graph. http://www.leggopoker.com/blogs/losti...-after-book-exploiting-regs-6384.html

i dont think a 3k sample from a random qualifies as a 100% prove your book will change drastically a player's game, maybe he got just excited and tried his best/runned hot

btw dont take this in a wrong way im not saying your book is bad or something im just saying that this kind of "result" have 0 meaning and proves nothing or almost nothing

the book is good so far. it's pretty basic stnd stuff in today's games. but it helps people who are "unsure" of some things they do. i havent finished it yet but will tonight.

On November 15 2009 21:31 lazymej wrote: any LP 200nl+ players buy this? I'd like to hear what you have to say about the book. It seems that most (if not all) of the reviews so far are from 50nl players.

I'm not sure how many of 200nl+ players are in this thread at twoplustwo but check it out: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33/...ions/review-no-limit-workbook-613780/

Also, I think Twisted said he pre-ordered. Defrag also has a copy.

On November 15 2009 22:17 Darki wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 19:58 SlowHabit wrote: I know results speak louder than words. Here is a blog from someone who read the book a few days ago. It's a small sample size but you can see the major difference between his before and after graph. http://www.leggopoker.com/blogs/losti...-after-book-exploiting-regs-6384.html i dont think a 3k sample from a random qualifies as a 100% prove your book will change drastically a player's game, maybe he got just excited and tried his best/runned hot btw dont take this in a wrong way im not saying your book is bad or something im just saying that this kind of "result" have 0 meaning and proves nothing or almost nothing

None taken

im buying it tomorrow NL200FR reg

On November 14 2009 19:48 concrescence wrote: bought it earlier, hopefully i can print it off to read it. nice 10% off for LP also

what? how? I just bought it but didn't know that!

What sux is I used to be such an active blogger, I think I have the most blog posts on the site actually, but I slowed down right when the free ones were being given out so I missed my chance T_T to get it free! So I hope I can at least get the %10 off!

btw, does it take a while for the lock lizard email to come through?

just made the payment waiting for the book ...

On November 16 2009 11:36 k2o4 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2009 19:48 concrescence wrote: bought it earlier, hopefully i can print it off to read it. nice 10% off for LP also what? how? I just bought it but didn't know that! What sux is I used to be such an active blogger, I think I have the most blog posts on the site actually, but I slowed down right when the free ones were being given out so I missed my chance T_T to get it free! So I hope I can at least get the %10 off! btw, does it take a while for the lock lizard email to come through?

Quoting SlowHabit:

"Yes. Email DailyVarianceBook@gmail.com with the subject "Rebate LP10."

Ordered and w8ting

Slow PM'd me about the 10%, nice guy. Book is working and pretty good if you ignore all the editorial mistakes (lots of little typos, some are bad though cause they're in key spots for understanding an explanation. Like one time he says to try to get to showdown with bottom set... I think there was an editing mistake on which hand he was talking about).

It took a while for the lizard lock email to come through but once it did everything was smooth.

I'm a complete noob and so far this book is the best printed work I've ever read because of how organized and in-depth it is. Great work!

On November 16 2009 18:46 k2o4 wrote: Slow PM'd me about the 10%, nice guy. Book is working and pretty good if you ignore all the editorial mistakes (lots of little typos, some are bad though cause they're in key spots for understanding an explanation. Like one time he says to try to get to showdown with bottom set... I think there was an editing mistake on which hand he was talking about). It took a while for the lizard lock email to come through but once it did everything was smooth.

yeah the editorial mistakes I assumed would be fixed for the final version, unfortunate. The hand example (I know exactly which 1 you're talking about lol) is a good specimen showing that his editor was ASLEEP :/

On November 16 2009 20:35 Night2o1 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2009 18:46 k2o4 wrote: Slow PM'd me about the 10%, nice guy. Book is working and pretty good if you ignore all the editorial mistakes (lots of little typos, some are bad though cause they're in key spots for understanding an explanation. Like one time he says to try to get to showdown with bottom set... I think there was an editing mistake on which hand he was talking about). It took a while for the lizard lock email to come through but once it did everything was smooth. yeah the editorial mistakes I assumed would be fixed for the final version, unfortunate. The hand example (I know exactly which 1 you're talking about lol) is a good specimen showing that his editor was ASLEEP :/

Please PM me the mistakes when you have a chance.

We had two editors too

There are some pages with half a dozen mistakes. You need to fire your editors.

ya you should take another look through it with fresh eyes, you'll catch a bunch of them. I'll try to send you some that I catch.. I'm no editor meself ^_^

On November 17 2009 00:01 Night2o1 wrote: ya you should take another look through it with fresh eyes, you'll catch a bunch of them. I'll try to send you some that I catch.. I'm no editor meself ^_^

I'll read it again in a few days. I basically memorized the book haha.

Read the book and then played a session afterwards, I feel like it really has got me thinking a lot again. It goes over good spots to overbet, good spots to fire double barrels, good spots to bluff shove rivers, and good spots to bluff in general. Definitely worth $100 to any person at 200 nl or below imo.

ok i paid for the book via stars transfer

since you cant use rebate code there, so i just sent 97$ - 10% = 87.30$ and in email i wrote about LP10 code.

is it okay Tri ?

On November 17 2009 01:35 CruiseR wrote: ok i paid for the book via stars transfer since you cant use rebate code there, so i just sent 97$ - 10% = 87.30$ and in email i wrote about LP10 code. is it okay Tri ?

That's fine.

BTW, the price is no longer $97. It's at $117 now.

This probably doesn't apply to you since I think you already paid.

If anyone's interested, here's my graph since reading the book:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/65781.sincebook.jpg

I know, sample size. But seriously my red line is a mirror image compared to what it used to be.

On November 17 2009 02:39 RICHI8 wrote: If anyone's interested, here's my graph since reading the book: http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/65781.sincebook.jpg I know, sample size. But seriously my red line is a mirror image compared to what it used to be.

at 5.5k or the whole thing? ;o

i mean past the 5.5k mark seems to indicate more of a style change than the previous 5.5k

small sample size but u just wanna be careful with these concepts

i hate these graphs ^^

guys stop thinking the book just instantly made you winnings players... its retarded

On November 17 2009 04:40 locoo wrote: guys stop thinking the book just instantly made you winnings players... its retarded

Ya this is true but a bit of a brutal way to say it. These books def have value even if they technically dont have value. You cant simply go "oh lol slowhabbit says this is good? ok ill start doing it then" because it usually depends on a bunch of factors. If you're presented with 1000 ideas, you are just presented with them and given the option to think then implement them if its appropriate.

so you can only read the book online if I get this right?
because I never manage to read a book from the screen

On November 17 2009 05:24 xafies wrote: so you can only read the book online if I get this right? because I never manage to read a book from the screen

It's printable.

SlowHabit - Ive paid on Sunday and I didnt receive any email or something that confirms that Ive paid. Its a bit long for online shop
I guess you have many orders nowadays

bought and read it 2 days ago , this book is pretty nice to read and helpfull to identified overbet spot bluff and when turning a hand with value in bluff on the river against decent regular, it's help to be more comfortable playing postflop against reg

just two things, i pre order it for 97$ and sent an email after with the subject "Rebate LP10" but it didn't work i've paid 97$ , doesn t matter it's still not expensive

also sent an email for a dailyvariance access forum, but still no response, maybe i'm impatient but i think 2 days is long to wait =)

I wanted to start reading it today, as Im done with my exam, but there is no way I can read anything past 15 pages on the screen ;o

So I tried to print it and I get some shitty error:
PDCViewer caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module PDCViewer.exe at 001b:00591982.

Anyone had same problem?

Got this yesterday, read it in a few hours, played a session in which I dropped down to 50NL to experiment and won back more then double what I paid. And that did involve takin down some pots I normally wouldnt have even been involved in. Im going to read this many more times in the future. This is the only book that specifically shows you how to exploit TAG regs. We alll kno the fundamentals of owning the fish, but this has definitely gotten me excited about getting more involved with other regs. I value the exam section way more then the beginning content, its worth the price alone. Im not new to exploiting regs and exploiting weakness, but this book helps you recognize the situations in which its appropriate to apply pressure and which are not. Best way to explain it is, before my eyes were half open, now they are wide open.

Recommendation : You should buy this, Do i want you to? NO

On November 17 2009 07:20 hownorez wrote: SlowHabit - Ive paid on Sunday and I didnt receive any email or something that confirms that Ive paid. Its a bit long for online shop I guess you have many orders nowadays

I had the same problem. Just send an email that you didnt get it and you will get your book within 30 minutes

Zdar a silu

On November 17 2009 12:40 Defrag wrote: I wanted to start reading it today, as Im done with my exam, but there is no way I can read anything past 15 pages on the screen ;o So I tried to print it and I get some shitty error: PDCViewer caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module PDCViewer.exe at 001b:00591982. Anyone had same problem?

Fixed, took me some time ;o

On November 17 2009 07:20 hownorez wrote: SlowHabit - Ive paid on Sunday and I didnt receive any email or something that confirms that Ive paid. Its a bit long for online shop I guess you have many orders nowadays

If you pay using Moneybookers / site transfer, we have to manually process your order so that takes some time.

If you want to read right away, use Paypal or credit card.

On November 17 2009 15:32 Defrag wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2009 12:40 Defrag wrote: I wanted to start reading it today, as Im done with my exam, but there is no way I can read anything past 15 pages on the screen ;o So I tried to print it and I get some shitty error: PDCViewer caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module PDCViewer.exe at 001b:00591982. Anyone had same problem? Fixed, took me some time ;o

How did you fix it?

We sometimes have this problem and have seen many solutions so it's great to know what you did.

Basically, you have to reset computer and open LockLizard before anything else, then go file -> print, instead of clicking the print button directly ( at least thats what I saw on their site, and it worked. ).

only licence to open it on one computer...came to work to try print it out and it says its locked

At over $100, there is no way I am getting it.

And everyone who's like "ZOMG I read this book, and look at my NEW redline over the past FIVE hands!!!" needs to stop with self-validation marketing.

On November 18 2009 23:20 salutary wrote: only licence to open it on one computer...came to work to try print it out and it says its locked

Email DailyVarianceBook attt gmail.com. We'll take care of you.

On November 19 2009 04:46 phexac wrote: At over $100, there is no way I am getting it. And everyone who's like "ZOMG I read this book, and look at my NEW redline over the past FIVE hands!!!" needs to stop with self-validation marketing.

I'm guessing you dont have a video subscription at any of the major sites either?

Even if this book teaches you ONE new, +EV thing that you can apply once every 1000 hands at small stakes, it's worth it.

On November 19 2009 04:53 SlowHabit wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2009 23:20 salutary wrote: only licence to open it on one computer...came to work to try print it out and it says its locked Email DailyVarianceBook attt gmail.com. We'll take care of you.

thanks

On November 19 2009 05:24 PanoRaMa wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 04:46 phexac wrote: At over $100, there is no way I am getting it. And everyone who's like "ZOMG I read this book, and look at my NEW redline over the past FIVE hands!!!" needs to stop with self-validation marketing. I'm guessing you dont have a video subscription at any of the major sites either? Even if this book teaches you ONE new, +EV thing that you can apply once every 1000 hands at small stakes, it's worth it.

3 things:

1. I do use cardrunners, though a lot less now since the content there has become a lot less interesting lately.

2. I don't play small stakes.

3. Neither of these has much bearing on my point, which is that over $100 dollars is too much to pay for something that has had no definitive positive feedback from people whose opinion I would accept and was written by someone without any credentials what so ever outside of apparently playing NL2000. Not to mention someone who has come off sounding a bit on the desperate side trying to market the book. If any of these factors appear to change in the future, I am willing to reconsider my position.

----------
To the author:

Since the price is several times that of a regular book, a free sample chapter/decent-size excerpt would go a long way to convince people to pay for the full product.

my thoughts on the book:

first part:

the concepts explained arnt entirely groundbreaking, its stuff covered in coaching videos/stuff that you can figure out yourself
HOWEVER, it is nicely worded, and quite detailed in explainations

second part (the quiz):

pretty much the same as looking through hands on forum posts, but with very good commentary, not like the "fold" or "close eyes and press random buttons" kind of comments you get on lp

3 things: 1. I do use cardrunners, though a lot less now since the content there has become a lot less interesting lately. 2. I don't play small stakes. 3. Neither of these has much bearing on my point, which is that over $100 dollars is too much to pay for something that has had no definitive positive feedback from people whose opinion I would accept and was written by someone without any credentials what so ever outside of apparently playing NL2000. Not to mention someone who has come off sounding a bit on the desperate side trying to market the book. If any of these factors appear to change in the future, I am willing to reconsider my position. ---------- To the author: Since the price is several times that of a regular book,a free sample chapter/decent-size excerpt would go a long way to convince people to pay for the full product.

Does not compute.

As for my credentials:

On November 19 2009 06:25 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 05:24 PanoRaMa wrote:   On November 19 2009 04:46 phexac wrote: At over $100, there is no way I am getting it. And everyone who's like "ZOMG I read this book, and look at my NEW redline over the past FIVE hands!!!" needs to stop with self-validation marketing. I'm guessing you dont have a video subscription at any of the major sites either? Even if this book teaches you ONE new, +EV thing that you can apply once every 1000 hands at small stakes, it's worth it. 3 things: 1. I do use cardrunners, though a lot less now since the content there has become a lot less interesting lately. 2. I don't play small stakes. 3. Neither of these has much bearing on my point, which is that over $100 dollars is too much to pay for something that has had no definitive positive feedback from people whose opinion I would accept and was written by someone without any credentials what so ever outside of apparently playing NL2000. Not to mention someone who has come off sounding a bit on the desperate side trying to market the book. If any of these factors appear to change in the future, I am willing to reconsider my position. ---------- To the author: Since the price is several times that of a regular book, a free sample chapter/decent-size excerpt would go a long way to convince people to pay for the full product.

Not to be nit picky but 1/2 is generally considered ssnl. My point was though that, giving you the extreme benefit of the doubt that you know everything besides one sparingly applicable concept in the entire book, buying this book will still be completely worth it, ten times over.

Chances are though that you're going to learn a LOT more from the book.

And you're being extremely nitty about it being a 100 dollar book imo. This is the cheapest good ebook on the market (compared to say, the balugawhale book, old ass bobbo book, let there be range, which are all many times more expensive), and they directly apply to YOUR games (unlike say, some outdated 30 dollar david sklansky book now). Furthermore, playing and winning in the 2k games alone is a gigantic credential in itself, but if that's not enough for you then having kingsofcards contribute is also a huge factor as well.

Just to prove my point I'm gonna go and buy the book now, this is a steal for only 100.

edit: Reading through the thread I realized a lot of what I said has already been said, didn't mean to parrot .

Right now there is still not really a decent review of this book, outside of OP, except for a couple "stuff we already know that's nicely worded." Just because someone who plays between 10x-3.5x the stakes I do feels like putting out a book, does not mean I immediately should buy it. So far it's not evident that reading it will net me a single extra penny. At normal book price, curiosity would be enough for me to buy it. At its current price, that's not the case.

To the author: get better at computing. Sample chapter is pretty standard in book industry that you are, apparently, trying to enter. If you are so confident in your book, you should have no worries about showing a small part of it to a prospective buyer. As for your giving the book to reviewers strategy, it seems only one person in this thread has read and reviewed it so far. So there has to either be more credible reviews out there or a sample of the text.

Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site.

Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks.

On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks.

Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it.

As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book?

The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money.

As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play.

On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is.

I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

On November 19 2009 17:08 phexac wrote: On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is. I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

you get buttfcked by locklizard

On November 19 2009 17:08 phexac wrote: On an unrelated note that falls into random musings category, since this is a book after all, even if it is digital, I am curious as to what kind of resale market it will have and how it will work. With a hard copy of a book, it's easy. You just sell it, and you no longer have it. If you resell this book, you still have a copy on your hard drive... technically, you should delete it, but there it is. I wonder if the writer specifies what rights he is selling as well as what laws there are as to what rights he CAN sell.

that's why I always buy German books, they have great resell value

On November 19 2009 17:03 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks. Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it. As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book? The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money. As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play.

www.dailyvariance.com

And while if I were just starting out there would be no way I'd ever pay over 100 dollars for HEM because I was broke, if let's say suddenly all HEM/PT3/etc. serial codes stopped working today and you had to re-register and pay 10k to use it again I would do that. Of course it's all relative, but I feel like its implied value is actually even far greater than that, imo .

On November 19 2009 17:44 PanoRaMa wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2009 17:03 phexac wrote:   On November 19 2009 16:20 PanoRaMa wrote: Tri has samples of all 3 books on his site. Anyway it doesn't seem as if you're looking at these things as an investment. What justifies paying ~80 or whatever for PT3/hem? Would you pay 1k for the same software had the original price been that much? If you say no then you are definitely not getting my point. If your goal is to keep playing 1/2, which is perfectly fine btw I'm not knocking it at all because you can still make 100k/yr+ doing that, then maybe you don't need the book but if you want to move up and get a lot better, I honestly have a hard time seeing how you can not pay for this relatively inexpensive book. He even offers a full refund if you think it sucks. Could you please link me to his site. I looked through the thread really quicky, but I cannot find the post where he lists it. As for your argument, what would be the maximum amount you would pay for PT3/HEM ? What about for this book? The reason I paid for PT3/HEM was that I saw a clear benefit. So far, I am not convinced that this book will offer any benefit what so ever. Which is why I want to see more reviews and/or sample. If poker has taught me one thing, it's to be careful of where I invest my money. As for the issue of stakes, my reasons for not moving up have little to do with not beating NL200-NL600 that I currently play. www.dailyvariance.com And while if I were just starting out there would be no way I'd ever pay over 100 dollars for HEM because I was broke, if let's say suddenly all HEM/PT3/etc. serial codes stopped working today and you had to re-register and pay 10k to use it again I would do that. Of course it's all relative, but I feel like its implied value is actually even far greater than that, imo .

You might be the only one. PT/HEM are extremely useful tools for multi-tabling, but they are definitely not worth $10k. I think you are vastly overvaluing some of the tools you use.

EDIT: Especially considering that both HEM/PT and this book can be had for free illegally. I doubt if I looked hard enough, I would not find a person a month from now willing to give me this book or have it posted on some Russian pirate site.