On November 23 2009 04:13 genjix wrote:
Very nice.
We must as humans put more effort into our continued future survival. Right now everything is so petty yet we've taken our first steps to visiting other worlds.
If the universe continues to expand apart from itself for an eternity then the matter will also fall apart for an eternity. And there will be no randomisation of matter.
Otherwise the universe will collapse in on itself and be destroyed.
Close your eyes and listen to him
Agent Smith anyone? (after the opening voice)
and i am saying that all who claim that they are happy in true belief are lying if god does not exist, as it is impossible to fool one's self to that point without some help from some mental imbalance.
thus in your premise where god does not in fact exist you would be miserable infinite times over lol
Well, even if it is truly impossible in today's world, in a world where the public believes in god in the same way the public believes in logic and science today, and there is no technology nor opposition that can make one think otherwise, the average person can surely achieve such bliss. Whether or not such a world existed in the past is uncertain.
Oly I'll look into it when I feel better, but atm I'm going to pass for my own good lol
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Silver_nz New Zealand. Nov 23 2009 06:28. Posts 5647
Nietzsche was good, but he is old... plato too.. eternal recurance doesn't seem that likely to me. maybe try some modern philosophy? I'm just starting to get into this stuff as well.
It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker. I began to think alone -- "to relax," I told myself -- but I knew it wasn't true.
Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time. I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don't mix, but I couldn't stop myself.
I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?" I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the boss called me in. He said, "Man, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have to find other employment."
This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. "Sweetheart," I confessed, "I've been thinking..."
"I know you have," she said, starting to cry, "and if you don't stop, I'll want a divorce!"
"But dear, surely it's not that serious."
"It is serious," she said through her rolling tears. "You think as much as college professors, and college professors don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking we won't have any money!"
"That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently, and she began to cry again.
I'd had enough. "I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door. I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche, with NPR on the radio. I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors. They didn't open: the library was closed. To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that night. As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye.
"Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?" it asked.
You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinker's Anonymous poster.
Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a noneducational video; last week it was Porky's Revenge. Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home.
Life just seemed... easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.
On November 23 2009 04:35 fira wrote:
Similar to the hourglass of time being turned over and over, I also think the matter in the universe acts in a similar manner. It expands in entropy, then shrinks in syntropy, over and over endlessly. Just like a metabolic system with anabolism followed by catabolism. What this implies for humanity, I'm not sure.
What you think happens and what actually happens are very different. Time in the modern relativistic definition only moves relative to the observer and has no absolute frame.
Finite can exist in the infinite. A good example is non converging number series. Anyway this is pointless to discuss because people who know nothing about the universe will argue about it and no one will ever reach any conclusive point because it's impossible to prove. People like to make arguments based on their thoughts/feelings without ANY attempt to rationality whatsoever.
so keep wasting time discussing god based on what you as a human thinks sounds rational to u
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
fira Nietzsche has only flirted with the idea of eternal recurrence and it only appears in two of his books, even if he was fascinated by it.
It's sort of a metaphysical concept because it obviously can't be backed up by data and that's why N. himself didn't provide arguments or extensive thoughts on the matter.
Preferring to be a christian than someone uncertain of the way things work is like wishing to be stupid. Sure it might feel good to believe in fairy tales,but the first step of growth is to honestly try to know where you're standing,not to sweet talk yourself about a non existent fatherly figure just waiting for you to die.
Maybe the pessimism you feel is the result of you subconsciously still believing on some of those fairy tales until the recent weed trips.
Time to put things into a new perspective
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
How does this theory take into account the fact that the universe is not finite? If the universe was infinitely large, there could be an infinite way to arrange matter throughout the universe. For example, humans can get more and more technologically advanced and just keep expanding outward, and never experience the same occurrence twice.
Also, none of this matters because you're gonna die soon anyways. And by soon I mean within ~100 years.
If you recur again in the distant future because the atoms fall in exactly the same places, then you won't remember shit about your previous lives so you wont care.
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