durr vs l scubba l

playing 3 tables 0.5/1k both playing short

who is scubba btw?

Submitted by : spets1

Full Tilt Poker Game #16616501462: Table Sunset Hills (heads up) - $500/$1000 - $30,000 Cap No Limit Hold'em - 18:32:34 ET - 2009/12/07 (partial)
l Scubba l raises to $28,000, and is capped
durrrr calls $14,900, and is capped
Players agree to Run It Twice
l Scubba l shows
durrrr shows
*** TURN 1 ***
*** RIVER 1 ***
*** TURN 2 ***
*** RIVER 2 ***
*** SHOW DOWN 1 ***
l Scubba l shows a pair of Fives
durrrr shows a straight, Five high
*** SHOW DOWN 2 ***
l Scubba l shows Ace King high
durrrr shows a straight, Six high
durrrr wins pot 1 ($29,999.50) with a straight, Five high
durrrr wins pot 2 ($29,999.50) with a straight, Six high
l Scubba l adds $30,000

Summary
Total pot $60,000 | Rake $1
*** SUMMARY 1 ***
Pot 1 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: durrrr (big blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with a straight, Five high
Seat 2: l Scubba l (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Fives
*** SUMMARY 2 ***
Pot 2 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: durrrr (big blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with a straight, Six high
Seat 2: l Scubba l (small blind) showed and lost with Ace King high

Full Tilt Poker Game #16616561139: Table Emerald Hill (heads up) - $500/$1000 - $30,000 Cap No Limit Hold'em - 18:33:57 ET - 2009/12/07
Seat 1: durrrr ($26,430)
Seat 2: l Scubba l ($52,941.50)
durrrr posts the small blind of $500
l Scubba l posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
durrrr raises to $2,300
l Scubba l calls $1,300

Flop (Pot : $4,600.00)

   
l Scubba l checks
durrrr bets $2,800
l Scubba l has 15 seconds left to act
l Scubba l calls $2,800

Turn (Pot : $10,200.00)

   
l Scubba l checks
durrrr checks

River (Pot : $10,200.00)

   
l Scubba l has 15 seconds left to act
l Scubba l bets $7,500
durrrr calls $7,500

Showdown
l Scubba l shows two pair, Jacks and Fours
durrrr mucks
l Scubba l wins the pot ($25,199.50) with two pair, Jacks and Fours

Summary
Total pot $25,200 | Rake $0.50
Board:
Seat 1: durrrr (small blind) mucked
Seat 2: l Scubba l (big blind) collected ($25,199.50)

Full Tilt Poker Game #16616663851: Table Moonlight View (heads up) - $500/$1000 - $30,000 Cap No Limit Hold'em - 18:38:00 ET - 2009/12/07
Seat 1: l Scubba l ($40,254)
Seat 2: durrrr ($46,350.50)
l Scubba l posts the small blind of $500
durrrr posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
l Scubba l raises to $2,000
durrrr has 15 seconds left to act
durrrr raises to $30,000, and is capped
l Scubba l calls $28,000, and is capped
Players agree to Run It Twice
durrrr shows
l Scubba l shows
*** FLOP 1 ***
*** TURN 1 ***
*** RIVER 1 ***
*** FLOP 2 ***
*** TURN 2 ***
*** RIVER 2 ***
*** SHOW DOWN 1 ***
durrrr shows a full house, Kings full of Sixes
l Scubba l shows four of a kind, Kings
*** SHOW DOWN 2 ***
durrrr shows three of a kind, Sixes
l Scubba l shows Ace King high
l Scubba l wins pot 1 ($29,999.50) with four of a kind, Kings
durrrr wins pot 2 ($29,999.50) with three of a kind, Sixes

Summary
Total pot $60,000 | Rake $1
*** SUMMARY 1 ***
Pot 1 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: l Scubba l (small blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: durrrr (big blind) showed and lost with a full house, Kings full of Sixes
*** SUMMARY 2 ***
Pot 2 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: l Scubba l (small blind) showed and lost with Ace King high
Seat 2: durrrr (big blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with three of a kind, Sixes

Full Tilt Poker Game #16616807886: Table Moonlight View (heads up) - $500/$1000 - $30,000 Cap No Limit Hold'em - 18:43:40 ET - 2009/12/07
Seat 1: l Scubba l ($35,752.50)
Seat 2: durrrr ($50,848.50)
durrrr posts the small blind of $500
l Scubba l posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #2

Holecards(Odds)
durrrr raises to $2,300
l Scubba l calls $1,300

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4,600.00)

   
l Scubba l checks
durrrr bets $2,800
l Scubba l has 15 seconds left to act
l Scubba l raises to $7,222
durrrr has 15 seconds left to act
durrrr raises to $27,700, and is capped
l Scubba l calls $20,478, and is capped
Players agree to Run It Twice
durrrr shows
l Scubba l shows
*** TURN 1 ***
*** RIVER 1 ***
*** TURN 2 ***
*** RIVER 2 ***
*** SHOW DOWN 1 ***
durrrr shows a flush, Ace high
l Scubba l shows two pair, Tens and Fives
*** SHOW DOWN 2 ***
durrrr shows a flush, Ace high
l Scubba l shows a pair of Tens
durrrr wins pot 1 ($29,999.50) with a flush, Ace high
durrrr wins pot 2 ($29,999.50) with a flush, Ace high
l Scubba l adds $24,247.50

Summary
Total pot $60,000 | Rake $1
*** SUMMARY 1 ***
Pot 1 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: l Scubba l (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 2: durrrr (small blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY 2 ***
Pot 2 $29,999.50
Board:
Seat 1: l Scubba l (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: durrrr (small blind) showed and won ($29,999.50) with a flush, Ace high

did durrrr already lose back like that 1million he won in the past week or w/e?

interesting game they're playing atm tho o_O so gamble. rofl @ running everything twice from preflop

so those 30,000 cap game are equivilant of playing with 30bb stacks each hand? That does seem fair variance filled ;o.

scubba is one of the best short stackers out there. hopefully durrr can turn on his luckbox

On December 07 2009 18:02 AznFisherman wrote: scubba is one of the best short stackers cap NL specialist out there. hopefully durrr can turn on his luckbox

fyp

On December 07 2009 17:39 spets1 wrote: who is scubba btw?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=820223

On December 07 2009 18:18 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2009 18:02 AznFisherman wrote: scubba is one of the best short stackers cap NL specialist out there. hopefully durrr can turn on his luckbox fyp

Correct me if I am wrong but is the difference between playing 20bb's (short stack) and 30bb's (a cap NL game) really all that big. I mean, yeah, the extra 10 bb's probably give people some extra room to maneuvre around and leaves some play postflop but I can't really see it leaving loads more play to be done postflop from short stacking and don't manage to see the big difference.

Can anyone explain this ??

well I don't know if you're even wrong but I'd suspect that it's quite different because you have +50% chips and I imagine that has a pretty big impact on how you play

It has to be a lot of difference, the basics on shortstacking (which 99% of you met especially if you play FR) are all based on maths which consider 20, maximum of 25 or less BBs.

I have no idea how you play in a 30 BB cap game, but from my experience it's safe to say you have to have a different approach.

How is it short stacking. They'll have the same 'short stacking' strategy.
Does that make sense?
IDK I hate cap games - just seems like a lot of variance.

It's high variance but fish like it and there is actual strategy in it and isn't just jamming blind. Scubba/moonshine is really really good at what he does and to compare him to some random 2/4 russian shortstack would be totally wrong

there are many spots that CAP and 100bb NL share that have the same PSRs, so bet sizing is important. The only things that come down to pure math are squeezing spots and jamming spots (which don't really make up the majority of the game, only just a portion), the latter which can get pretty light and thus very very high variance.

fwiw I don't play cap anymore nor do I consider myself an expert, but I have written a 6 page strat guide on cap (that I share only privately) that is heavily based in specifically game theory and managing PSR in diff scenarios. If I were to try to write a guide for 100bb NL of course it'd be tons of pages longer but I'm sure an actual 20bb shortstacking guide is prob like 3 sentences long.

well no one is ratholing in cap games...

differences:

shortstackers take advantage of players by playing against people who are not short stacked.
cap games everyone is going to be the same effective stack or roughly the same.

probably a lot more but I don't know all there is to cap games and short stacking, but this seems like a huge difference.

what's psr stand for?

On December 07 2009 22:41 lachlan wrote: what's psr stand for?

Probably means SPR which is stack to pot ratio.

potsize raise?

On December 07 2009 23:04 Ygkjh wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2009 22:41 lachlan wrote: what's psr stand for? Probably means SPR which is stack to pot ratio.

this, not pot size raise.

sorry its pot to stack ratio or stack to pot ratio. i learned it as pot to stack ratio and not the other way around

On December 07 2009 18:56 PanoRaMa wrote: It's high variance but fish like it and there is actual strategy in it and isn't just jamming blind. Scubba/moonshine is really really good at what he does and to compare him to some random 2/4 russian shortstack would be totally wrong there are many spots that CAP and 100bb NL share that have the same PSRs, so bet sizing is important. The only things that come down to pure math are squeezing spots and jamming spots (which don't really make up the majority of the game, only just a portion), the latter which can get pretty light and thus very very high variance. fwiw I don't play cap anymore nor do I consider myself an expert, but I have written a 6 page strat guide on cap (that I share only privately) that is heavily based in specifically game theory and managing PSR in diff scenarios. If I were to try to write a guide for 100bb NL of course it'd be tons of pages longer but I'm sure an actual 20bb shortstacking guide is prob like 3 sentences long.

You're pretty wrong there it's a lot longer, but indeed most of it are charts and / or basics. Also there are at least 2 different ways to play SSS, one involves 0 post-flop play, the other just a bit (the chinese farmers who infested PS FR lately seem to be playing the former, although in a really flawed way).

But let's not derail the thread with this any further

scubba is the man

yea cap NL has strategy to it, lots of miniraising + 5-7bb repopping

its actually fun battling someone in it, i play it sometimes