Still Working on Aggressive-Style

PokerStars Game #44208369176: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/05/17 1:44:54 ET
Table Messina 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: magsasebo ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 2: NesterR ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 3: O0ORO0O ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: Kafuncho ($18.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 6: lazyfishps ($11.30 in chips)
O0ORO0O: posts small blind $0.05
Kafuncho: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $0.30 to $0.40
lazyfishps: folds
magsasebo: folds
NesterR: folds
O0ORO0O: calls $0.35
Kafuncho: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.90)

   
O0ORO0O: bets $0.60
Hero: raises $1.30 to $1.90
O0ORO0O: raises $7.70 to $9.60 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($7.70) returned to O0ORO0O
O0ORO0O collected $4.50 from pot
O0ORO0O: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $4.70 | Rake $0.20
Board  
Seat 1: magsasebo folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: NesterR (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: O0ORO0O (small blind) collected ($4.50)
Seat 4: Kafuncho (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hero folded on the Flop
Seat 6: lazyfishps folded before Flop (didnt bet)

PokerStars Game #44208667573: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/05/17 2:03:11 ET
Table Messina 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: magsasebo ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 2: NesterR ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 3: O0ORO0O ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($14.15 in chips)
Seat 6: lazyfishps ($10.85 in chips)
magsasebo: posts small blind $0.05
NesterR: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
O0ORO0O: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
lazyfishps: folds
magsasebo: calls $0.25
NesterR: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.70)

   
magsasebo: bets $0.40
Hero: calls $0.40

Turn (Pot : $1.50)

   
magsasebo: checks
Hero: bets $1.10
magsasebo: calls $1.10

River (Pot : $3.70)

   
magsasebo: checks
O0ORO0O leaves the table
Hero: bets $2.60
magsasebo: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.60) returned to Hero
Hero collected $3.55 from pot
Hero: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $3.70 | Rake $0.15
Board  
Seat 1: magsasebo (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: NesterR (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: O0ORO0O folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Hero collected ($3.55)
Seat 6: lazyfishps (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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lol at all beginner's obessions with the "loose aggressive" style/image.

you're just costing yourself lots of money.

Well from my point of view, seeing as how 80%+ people at NL 10 dont 3-bet Enough, 90%+ Dont 4-Bet Light, and 90+% Are not able to withstand a light 4-Bet, the style is pretty unstoppable here if you just play it right.

43/36 lmao
how bout just focus on thinking about hand ranges and not try to play loose just because

On May 17 2010 01:43 hiems wrote: Well from my point of view, seeing as how 80%+ people at NL 10 dont 3-bet Enough, 90%+ Dont 4-Bet Light, and 90+% Are not able to withstand a light 4-Bet, the style is pretty unstoppable here if you just play it right.

isn't nl10 fishy as fuck because everyone is a calling station?
well gl i guess

go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up

On May 17 2010 01:48 hellokittery wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 01:43 hiems wrote: Well from my point of view, seeing as how 80%+ people at NL 10 dont 3-bet Enough, 90%+ Dont 4-Bet Light, and 90+% Are not able to withstand a light 4-Bet, the style is pretty unstoppable here if you just play it right. isn't nl10 fishy as fuck because everyone is a calling station? well gl i guess

No people can be fishy in many ways besides being a calling station IMO. Though I do have trouble not trying to bluff calling stations. But alot of the players at NL 10 are weak tight. Alot of them are multi-tabling robots, or really weak TAGS. Or predictable TAGs.

On May 17 2010 01:49 K40Cheddar wrote: go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up

What the hell does NL 2 have to do with learning how to nit up. I can just learn that at NL 10.

On May 17 2010 01:52 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 01:49 K40Cheddar wrote: go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up What the hell does NL 2 have to do with learning how to nit up. I can just learn that at NL 10.

becuase the way you play some of these hands nitting up still wont help you

On May 17 2010 01:53 K40Cheddar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 01:52 hiems wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:49 K40Cheddar wrote: go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up What the hell does NL 2 have to do with learning how to nit up. I can just learn that at NL 10. becuase the way you play some of these hands nitting up still wont help you

I asked a question. But yet again, you reply with something that doesn't make sense at all. If your responses to questions is any indication of your logic in playing a hand, then I don't really feel its worth it even bothering to listen to you.

Your same size is too small to really say much, I'm guessing you're 1 tabling. You need to tighten up and tighten up ALOT, theres no "potential" in being bad aggressive.

Hand 1: We don't have to be raising KJo utg. Also, a lot of times (not always) when players like this donk into you they WANT you to raise so they can shove their hands comfortably on the flop without losing equity. (most likely flush draw) By raising here you're pretty much letting them play their hand perfectly. I'd expect to see something like JQs from villain in this hand. The sample from which your info was provided is too small to become anything relevent other than the fact that he's probably some sort of a reg 4 tabling.

Hand 2: Not sure what to make of this. I don't necessarily mind you flatting the donk bet since this is pretty dry board and I expect villain to have air or mid pair a lot of times. I like the turn bet and the river bet. We can also just fold the flop and not think about it much.

I like that you're trying to be observant of your opponent's tendencies BUT you need to be careful not to give these nl10ers too much credit for being able to think. Most of these guys probably isn't even aware of your "aggro" image. What I'm trying to say is you're probably just brainfcking yourself to death.

Again 44/36/15 is way too loose and obviously you're trying to bluff way too much. You can worry about bluffing once you get to higher stakes some day. This is micro and your primary reason for betting should be VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE VALUE

Play tighter and look for thin value spots and isolate fishes in position who's very susceptible to value betting, this will be where most of your earnings in the micro will come from.

On May 17 2010 01:56 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 01:53 K40Cheddar wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:52 hiems wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:49 K40Cheddar wrote: go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up What the hell does NL 2 have to do with learning how to nit up. I can just learn that at NL 10. becuase the way you play some of these hands nitting up still wont help you I asked a question. But yet again, you reply with something that doesn't make sense at all. If your responses to questions is any indication of your logic in playing a hand, then I don't really feel its worth it even bothering to listen to you.

Point: Learn the basics and start fresh at an easier level and move up later. Even if you nit up NL 10, you'll probably make some spewy decisions anyways based on you're thought process and skill level. Please don't continue this argument and just take the advice or continue to have "bad sessions".

Id rather not just play how a "Book" or conventional wisdom just tells me how to play. I kinda want to discover what works for myself. If I nit up now, I don't think I'll some day just decide, HEY Lets start bluffing alot more for what I can buy really nice things with...I Kinda want to learn some stuff now.

I raise KJo UTG Cause I think I can outplay everyone at NL 10 haha. Even if I can't, I think I should try to, cause its NL 10. Lol.

On May 17 2010 02:00 K40Cheddar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 01:56 hiems wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:53 K40Cheddar wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:52 hiems wrote:   On May 17 2010 01:49 K40Cheddar wrote: go to NL 2 and learn how to nit up What the hell does NL 2 have to do with learning how to nit up. I can just learn that at NL 10. becuase the way you play some of these hands nitting up still wont help you I asked a question. But yet again, you reply with something that doesn't make sense at all. If your responses to questions is any indication of your logic in playing a hand, then I don't really feel its worth it even bothering to listen to you. Point: Learn the basics and start fresh at an easier level and move up later. Even if you nit up NL 10, you'll probably make some spewy decisions anyways based on you're thought process and skill level. Please don't continue this argument and just take the advice or continue to have "bad sessions".

How do you even know what my thought processes and skill level are like? The fact that I am playing NL 10? The fact that I have really loose stats? I know that you are new to poker. But I suggest you keep an open mind and start to learn how to think for yourself before giving out any advice.

On May 17 2010 02:03 hiems wrote: Id rather not just play how a "Book" or conventional wisdom just tells me how to play. I kinda want to discover what works for myself. If I nit up now, I don't think I'll some day just decide, HEY Lets start bluffing alot more for what I can buy really nice things with...I Kinda want to learn some stuff now. I raise KJo UTG Cause I think I can outplay everyone at NL 10 haha. Even if I can't, I think I should try to, cause its NL 10. Lol.

You're not realizing that this "style" of yours will never work in nl10. Nearly everyone, even the regs, call/raise not realizing they should be beat absurdly too much for "LAG" (In your case Bad aggressive) to be effective. In fact, one of the first thing beginner players should learn is to recognize bad aggressive players like you and get maximum value from them.

"not to give these nl10ers too much credit for being able to think. Most of these guys probably isn't even aware of your "aggro" image. What I'm trying to say is you're probably just brainfcking yourself to death. "

Yeah. This is one of the the funniest thing about poker haha. The hand posted about the guy who folded the Royal Flush Board reminds me of this fact. Its like...you go to take a note. And you have no idea what to write at all...sickest level ever folding a royal flush for a couple of BBs.

On May 17 2010 02:16 Jhyun88 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 02:03 hiems wrote: Id rather not just play how a "Book" or conventional wisdom just tells me how to play. I kinda want to discover what works for myself. If I nit up now, I don't think I'll some day just decide, HEY Lets start bluffing alot more for what I can buy really nice things with...I Kinda want to learn some stuff now. I raise KJo UTG Cause I think I can outplay everyone at NL 10 haha. Even if I can't, I think I should try to, cause its NL 10. Lol. You're not realizing that this "style" of yours will never work in nl10. Nearly everyone, even the regs, call/raise not realizing they should be beat absurdly too much for "LAG" (In your case Bad aggressive) to be effective. In fact, one of the first thing beginner players should learn is to recognize bad aggressive players like you and get maximum value from them.

Yes I have read Easy Game as well.

But I do see your point. I admit I definitely try to bluff/outplay the wrong opponents "from time to time". lol.

But its a work in Progress. And if I doesnt work I'll just ditch it.

How do you even know what my thought processes and skill level are like?

the fact you one table online says it all

On May 17 2010 02:26 K40Cheddar wrote: Show nested quote + How do you even know what my thought processes and skill level are like? the fact you one table online says it all

Lol...right! I honestly wish you success in poker. And maybe you can laugh about all this one day. LivB Plays 1 Table. Hes pretty good player...I think??