Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 10

i think it's pretty clear that by 10 pages in this thread i can only conclude this:

peachy keen is one rich mofo.

i dont see any evidence that myth is not a good instructor and that his session have no positive effects on his students, nor do i see any evidence that he has lied to his students as far as his playing results online.
the above are what a coach should be evaluated on, not his actual personal results.

i think myth is the type of person who can have bad results but still be a good coach, it seems to me that he certainly has some good poker ideas floating around in his head, to me an important part of coaching is getting different perspectives.
this is based off of 5 hours of seeing him at this wsop and watching him play 3/6 online

ive mostly stayed out of this thread

but i consider myself good and a good judge of who is good. ive seen myth play 30+ sessions online and multiple sessions live and i also consider him good.

On July 19 2010 01:05 PoorUser wrote: ive mostly stayed out of this thread but i consider myself good and a good judge of who is good. ive seen myth play 30+ sessions online and multiple sessions live and i also consider him good.

what do you mainly contribute his bad results online too?

Anyone know what's with the first screenshot in the OP and why he absolutely can't talk about his PTR? That seems more shady than anything, especially if he has people playing on his account

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach

On July 19 2010 01:45 Currency wrote: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach

wow very fucking clever i don't think that axiom has been mentioned one single time in this thread, well done

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On July 19 2010 02:43 sChOuA wrote: Im not in a pisition to judge if myth is a good Player or not, however for me the most disturbing is that he doesnt give answers here (only short one on 2nd page) to defend/claridy the Situation......

this same thing happened when Loco questioned his coaching and results before, everybody quickly forgot about it so not replying was the "smart" thing to do i guess.

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On July 18 2010 06:02 Nazgul wrote: I have always found Myths articles and other materials to be really well written, whenever he discusses poker he makes a lot of sense. There are many players who can vouch for his skills, there are many students that will vouch for it as well. There's tons of people who like his videos and find themselves learning lots of stuff from it, but the stats in the OP are interesting nonetheless. Obviously the sample is rather large, but it's not an all saying sample by any means. People can definitely run bad over samples this size. Also as far as I know Myth has become primarily a live player lately playing tournaments and cashgames in the casinos and everybody who deals with him is happy with how things go. No matter whether Myth is a good player or a bad player you should always be free to raise questions to the results of a coach. Coaches are in a position where they are spreading knowledge and a coach may or may not have the right credentials for this. The poker scene is already plagued with problems. Enough that we all need to watch out for each other and help bringing light to situations some may have doubts about. This topic is well within what is reasonable and a bunch of PTR stats should never be censored. By closing this topic we take away Myths chance to present his side of the argument. Which is something that would raise a lot more questions than keeping it open. So I'm re-opening this. It is a tricky subject but I want to ask all of you to reply in a decent manner. Flames towards moderation are still not allowed on LP, posting douchebag replies still is not allowed. This topic may still be closed for regular moderation reasons later on if you guys can't behave.

im still reading through this thread but damn. i just wanted to quote this and say. Mister goosens. u are so wise

I think Myth is a great coach, and this is from first hand experience of sitting in on some of his coaching sessions when he flew students to our house when we lived together. He handled everything very professionally, had a very organized planner, and we had a fun group review of each of his student's sessions. He's also really good to talk hands with caz he does understand everything you need to intelligently talk hands with people. He saw that he enjoyed coaching, and put more time and effort into that than actually playing poker. His skills at this are in high demand therefore he can charge w/e the fuck he wants. Myth is the Phil Jackson of poker imo.

Quick! Someone ask me if I think he actually plays poker well.

Seriously, I think the reason that both the TL and LP communities are so good is because of people like Nazgul.

I think Nazgul is a gentleman and a scholar

Tbh, from a neutral perspective, Myth not speaking himself and all his good friends giving him positive opinions doesnt help at all.

Being his friend would help more here if you guys wouldnt comment at all, since it's obvious your opinions will be pretty much one-sided.

you guys need to stop comparing sport coaches who cant play too poker coaches...

its beyond ridiculous.

Meh. i guess i post an opinion for the sake of posting one but im gonna keep it breif and unbiased.

Do i think his coaching is worth it? Nope not even close.

Do i think hes a good coach? probably as far as coaching skills go. probably one of the better out there from what i know of his coaching

Do i think its unfair what hes doing (coaching at such a high rate when there are better players out there?). Nope, its kind of annoying tbh when i know of players better able to beat the games charging less. But demand is one of the most important factors for determining the price in any market so props.

There are a few things that i wonder about. For instance when a potential student comes around looking for a coach and apporaches myth. What credentials does he present them and how does one know his true capabilities before he coaches them. I see a lot of potential for buyers remorse for being a little too trusting and deciding "hes a nice guy im not gonna shop around, he seems legit". and then not finding what they are looking for through his coaching.

basically i just see a lot of possibility of a potential student not getting what he expected. But then again that goes for almost all coaching in general.

in MY HUMBLE opinion. for any potentials out there looking for coaching. UNLESS u have information otherwise, ONLY get coaching from someone with very DETAILED and GOOD results. Yea u might get a dud that isn't great at explaining his thought process, but hell if ur playing 100NL and can't understand someone playing 400NL with a 3ptbb winrate over 500k hands speaking good english. Then that sux for you, but atleast you have a safer bet than a lot of coaches out there. Also a small side note. Make sure you find a coach that plays similar stakes to you, EVEN if u had super rich parents and tons of cash laying around. Dont get coaching from tjbentham to play 50NL fullring. Find someone that crushes and is in the same DIMENSION as ur current stakes. IE u play 100NL get someone that crushes 200NL.

ok the end

On July 19 2010 04:53 Stim_Abuser wrote: you guys need to stop comparing sport coaches who cant play too poker coaches... its beyond ridiculous.

Why? Explain why sport coaches and poker coaches can't be compared plz.

There are plenty of smart poker players who can't play poker well due to tilt issues, gambling vices, lack of work ethic, personal egos being way too big etc... that are still able to analyze hands in a very objective way really well because they view it as a puzzle. There are plenty of dumb poker players that crush by putting in the hours and discipline needed, that are unable to explain their thought process in an intelligent way as well.