Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 11

Although u can make the arguement that those "smart" players are dumb, and those "dumb" players are smart too so meh :-P

im on stim's side. Its pretty dumb. If you can't do it in ur own play then something is wrong.

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On July 19 2010 05:09 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 04:53 Stim_Abuser wrote: you guys need to stop comparing sport coaches who cant play too poker coaches... its beyond ridiculous. Why? Explain why sport coaches and poker coaches can't be compared plz. There are plenty of smart poker players who can't play poker well due to tilt issues, gambling vices, lack of work ethic, personal egos being way too big etc... that are still able to analyze hands in a very objective way really well because they view it as a puzzle. There are plenty of dumb poker players that crush by putting in the hours and discipline needed, that are unable to explain their thought process in an intelligent way as well.

because sports coaches suck at sports due to physical limitations. has nothing to do with their supreme knowledge of the game. if you have supreme knowledge of poker you're gonna win over a pretty big sample of hands regardless of all factors.

trying to say maybe hes just a huge tilt monkey is a lame scapegoat. not to mention myth said one of his best features of his coaching is his micromanaging and not getting tilted is part of that, no?

this too shall pass.

actually we might be wrong doomer/schoua....


i can't think of any fatties that are actually very good poker players. maybe degenyamine?

lol

On July 19 2010 05:11 JonnyCosMo wrote: Although u can make the arguement that those "smart" players are dumb, and those "dumb" players are smart too so meh :-P

Let me preface this by saying I dont have much of wan idea who this guy is, but the nature of this thread irritated me, and I felt an urge to respond.

Basically you are fairly pretty ignorant if you haven't realised that the majority of coaches aren't really winning players. Sorry guys. Think about it- everytime you coach someone you make the entire playing field X more difficult, while only having a minimal gain to yourself. Seems pretty stupid to affect your own bottom line by increasing a whole bunch of other peoples.

That's not to say there aren't coaches who are big winners, but even those who are are likely to be holding back information in their videos. And thats just the guys who can actually win at poker. Then we can cycle through the extensive list of coaches who CANT win (After all, if you can't beat em, teach em). I don't love to pick on certain people when there are so many, but the primary examples are the 2m2mm guys. None of them are winning players, yet they are all charging absurd rates for coaching afaik. I really don't think charging someone 500$+ an hour to teach them how to do something YOU CAN'T DO is fair. So yeah, this example seems even more retarded.

How you could possibly expect to be regarded as a player with a "respectable skill level" is beyond me if you can't rape 1/2 over 10k hands, let alone 150k. Let me take a second to talk about variance. No. There is absolutely no reason someone can't beat these limits over that long a stretch, unless it is indeed not them playing on the account, in which case you probably shouldn't be associating with them anyway. 350$ an hour is fkn absurd for someone who can't beat poker in its easiest form- and the funny thing is whoever this guy is, is one of many. I have heard multiple tales of these players who coach away at high rates yet aren't proficient at poker themselves. I'll give some leeway to say that there is definitely the possibilty that all these people are better suited to coaching than to playing, but that doesn't mean that their service is anywhere near justifiable. I wish I had had a lesson with a coach before, then I would feel more qualified to comment, but I still think you can hold most of what I say with credence... the proof is on paper.

Which brings me to my next and most important point, is that if people WANT to buy coaching, then let them! and if some guy who can't teach poker WANTS to teach poker, let him! It's the BUYER that makes the decision, and its not like X coach is scamming us. (I assume) They present their case for coaching you with full honesty, and only if they don't does it become an ACTUAL issue of morality and ethics etc. which is the only time it should lead to some sort of blowup like this. What the fuck do you guys care anyway? Oh no! some guy who can't beat 1/2 is teaching a 3/6 reg how to play... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

DAN HARRINGTON WROTE A BOOK ON HOW TO PLAY POKER

PEOPLE BOUGHT IT

PITCHFORKS PEOPLE

-Deldar182
hope that wasnt too messy

Problem with discussing this on LP is that too many people can't be objective because they think Myth is a hero because he spends 2k$ a night in a stripclub or some shit .

Good post by Ket & again propz to Naz for keeping things impartial.

Myth has good poker insight, and his reasoning was always fairly sound. If it wasn't there were always lots of people on this forum who were always ready to poke holes in people's logic. Is his advice worth $350/hr? Maybe, maybe not, but hes not scamming people. Hes legitimately trying to help them get better. In my experience he always worked pretty hard on his own game too.

Loco hating on myth and Frinkx because they got staked by peachy and hit some big scores is retarded. They went after what they wanted and got it without hurting anyone. You can't really call it lucky to get staked by peachy. Maybe if you asked nicely he would have staked you too.

Anyway I'm all for feedback and transparency in all kinds of commerce, and to my knowledge anyway its lacking to some degree with poker coaching. What can we do to improve on that?

On July 19 2010 05:48 dandydolly wrote: Let me preface this by saying I dont have much of wan idea who this guy is, but the nature of this thread irritated me, and I felt an urge to respond. Basically you are fairly pretty ignorant if you haven't realised that the majority of coaches aren't really winning players. Sorry guys. Think about it- everytime you coach someone you make the entire playing field X more difficult, while only having a minimal gain to yourself. Seems pretty stupid to affect your own bottom line by increasing a whole bunch of other peoples. That's not to say there aren't coaches who are big winners, but even those who are are likely to be holding back information in their videos. And thats just the guys who can actually win at poker. Then we can cycle through the extensive list of coaches who CANT win (After all, if you can't beat em, teach em). I don't love to pick on certain people when there are so many, but the primary examples are the 2m2mm guys. None of them are winning players, yet they are all charging absurd rates for coaching afaik. I really don't think charging someone 500$+ an hour to teach them how to do something YOU CAN'T DO is fair. So yeah, this example seems even more retarded. How you could possibly expect to be regarded as a player with a "respectable skill level" is beyond me if you can't rape 1/2 over 10k hands, let alone 150k. Let me take a second to talk about variance. No. There is absolutely no reason someone can't beat these limits over that long a stretch, unless it is indeed not them playing on the account, in which case you probably shouldn't be associating with them anyway. 350$ an hour is fkn absurd for someone who can't beat poker in its easiest form- and the funny thing is whoever this guy is, is one of many. I have heard multiple tales of these players who coach away at high rates yet aren't proficient at poker themselves. I'll give some leeway to say that there is definitely the possibilty that all these people are better suited to coaching than to playing, but that doesn't mean that their service is anywhere near justifiable. I wish I had had a lesson with a coach before, then I would feel more qualified to comment, but I still think you can hold most of what I say with credence... the proof is on paper. Which brings me to my next and most important point, is that if people WANT to buy coaching, then let them! and if some guy who can't teach poker WANTS to teach poker, let him! It's the BUYER that makes the decision, and its not like X coach is scamming us. (I assume) They present their case for coaching you with full honesty, and only if they don't does it become an ACTUAL issue of morality and ethics etc. which is the only time it should lead to some sort of blowup like this. What the fuck do you guys care anyway? Oh no! some guy who can't beat 1/2 is teaching a 3/6 reg how to play... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... DAN HARRINGTON WROTE A BOOK ON HOW TO PLAY POKER PEOPLE BOUGHT IT PITCHFORKS PEOPLE -Deldar182 hope that wasnt too messy

i didn't know u posted on LP: ]

zomg Deldar ITT! I met Kane in vegas this summer and heard some hilarious stories about u. I want to meet u at some point! this is 'born2dogbaby' here btw

On July 19 2010 05:48 dandydolly wrote: Let me preface this by saying I dont have much of wan idea who this guy is, but the nature of this thread irritated me, and I felt an urge to respond. ... -Deldar182 hope that wasnt too messy

doesn't compute with :

On July 18 2010 02:47 dandydolly wrote: QFT. never read any of his advice posts as useful information

On July 18 2010 03:13 dandydolly wrote: and myth has never posted a graph over a big sample that he was a big winner

On July 18 2010 09:08 dandydolly wrote: I took an hour of myth's coaching maybe 2 years back and he didnt teach me anything and was probably a worse player than i was, ... Maybe im just jealous that this guy is getting payed so much for being clueless but there is my rant.

On July 18 2010 11:37 dandydolly wrote: 2. myth isnt just getting staked in big 25k tournaments he is getting stkaed for the 1k the live 10/20 the online scoops and shit. all things a pro can afford

Only the post signed by me was mine.
I barely ever look at this forum
Love deldar
next time I am in america KET <3

edit : above posts clear my doubts about dandydolly=deldar182

edit2 : and congrats for all you've accomplished in poker deldar.

Only that one post on this page is by Deldar (and the follow-up), I can vouch.

What i wonder is why do you guys give a crap ?
As far as we can know Myth can be broke and running extremely bad, but that doesnt change the fact that his coaching skills are sick good .....
What are you exactly discussing here ? That he shouldnt be charging 350$/h ? There are plenty of arguments to be made that this price is totally worth it ... Honestly why are u messing in other people's business.Thats insanely unethical and purely retarded...

As it has been said, he offers a service. A potential customer (let's say a ssnl grinder who would like to have a coach) could be interested, but on what info he is going to decide if it is worth 350$/hour ? the little info that he can seek and find shows that hiring him as a coach is questionable.

Consumers, potential consumers can debate if this worth it or not. simple as that. And Myth should be the first explaining how it is a good idea to take him as a coach and actually this thread could turn to be a good add for him.

I think that his articles and the detailed comments on some hands is more than enough of an argument