Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 15

On July 19 2010 18:00 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 05:09 JonnyCosMo wrote: [QUOTE]On July 19 2010 04:53 Stim_Abuser wrote: you guys need to stop comparing sport coaches who cant play too poker coaches... its beyond ridiculous. "Why? Explain why sport coaches and poker coaches can't be compared plz." -JonnyCosmo A poker coach is focused on one individuals development. The coach of a big franchise sports team builds a system that creates a winning team. Their job is not nearly as focused on player development. The only really good comparable in sports is golf or tennis. In those sports the athletes as individuals hire coaches to help them improve their game. However it is true that the vast majority of the coaches who are working with players ranked in the top 100 at some point played the game at a very high level themselves. Once they got too old to play they switched over to coaching. Golf & Tennis suffer from the same coaching exploitation at the lower levels. People overpay for expensive lessons from frauds on a regular basis. There is however a system of establishing credibility for coaches in these sports. A certification process that people can then look for when they seek out a coach. Something that says this person has passed X tests of knowledge and been given the right to state they're certified by X to teach golf/tennis. The same type of certification exists for personal trainers, chiropractors, etc. It's not illegal to be a personal trainer or coach in these sports without a license but having one does give you the credibility to attract more clients. Just rambling on here....

Golf and Poker are eerily similar in terms of mentality. The way good coaches think in golf and poker are probably more or less the same.
Also:

= $350/HR
And the only reason why this wouldn't hold true would be if one of the variables was being tampered with. The only variable in question is his demand since he might be misleading students by saying he beat a stake which he might not have. Those who are complaining over minor details such as this are idiots who have never worked in an organization which tries to make a profit (held a job).

On July 19 2010 04:15 JonnyCosMo wrote: I think Myth is a great coach, and this is from first hand experience of sitting in on some of his coaching sessions when he flew students to our house when we lived together. He handled everything very professionally, had a very organized planner, and we had a fun group review of each of his student's sessions. He's also really good to talk hands with caz he does understand everything you need to intelligently talk hands with people. He saw that he enjoyed coaching, and put more time and effort into that than actually playing poker. His skills at this are in high demand therefore he can charge w/e the fuck he wants. Myth is the Phil Jackson of poker imo.

indeed.


PS. When you see it. You'll shit brix

maynard

if someone couldn't figure out what to do in his own game and wasn't able to beat the games. I dont care how compelling of an arguement he could give me to why it is a good play. I would not take him seriously and would not listen to their advice and rightly so. They have no idea or basis for what they are saying. i dont care how logically u could analyze a hand, its worthless if you have no basis or experience in such situations. its absolutely pointless no matter how compelling the argument is. And this is especially dangerous if you are teaching a person with the false sense that this person is teaching them something that is FACT. therefore he adapts it into his own game because it sounds like a good play. But it truly had no basis besides objective analysis.

On July 19 2010 18:30 citizenwind wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 12:49 Etherone wrote: -first this player ignores the fact that the 470k+ wins do not include the costs he incurred to play so obviously he isn't up 470k live. -second he is a CR coach who never came here except now, and presumably at Myth's request -third even if myth was a provable live solid Tournament winner, he is selling online cashgame coaching, which according to his own friends post he is down 12k -fourth i can't even trust that he was even myth's student, especially without any demonstration of how he improved, or any corroboration by myth. all in all i feel like it is expected of him to come here, defend himself, and clarify everything, especially when not doing so is only going to make it worse, but as i stated before it's his right not to. 1. Actually, his overall wins are more than 470k, I was just quoting the Bluff figure. 2. I can speak for myself. Myth never asked me to say anything. It's also B.S. for people to ask for students to come forward and offer their viewpoint, and then say "Oh Myth asked him." 3. Myth also coaches MTTs and live play. 4. I'm a guest instructor for Cardrunners, for whatever that's worth. The fact that Myth coached me is easily verifiable by many people in the community, including Pooruser. And I have no idea how to demonstrate how I improved. Wanna sweat me? o__0

1. you are myth's friend as well as other lpers. friends help friends.
2. post this topic on 2+2. ull get much much more negative feedback on this issue.
3. are you a troll here or u just all of the sudden found this topic out of the blue or did myth msg you
4. most cr players are losing players, have quit cr, quit poker, hand pick there videos instead of doing live ones. can you explain to me why CR videos - more then 70% are winning vids. are you guys that good?

this guy over repped himself by a huge margin.

CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!

Oh and one more thing, i've only scanned this thread and not read to much detail on everything but it looked like no one had really gone into detail that he almost certainly has other people playing on his account. Just curious what people's thoughts are on that, and im wondering if that is a factor in his win rate...

On July 19 2010 21:59 Zep wrote: Oh and one more thing, i've only scanned this thread and not read to much detail on everything but it looked like no one had really gone into detail that he almost certainly has other people playing on his account. Just curious what people's thoughts are on that, and im wondering if that is a factor in his win rate...

Another "minor detail" imo.

On July 19 2010 21:59 Zep wrote: Oh and one more thing, i've only scanned this thread and not read to much detail on everything but it looked like no one had really gone into detail that he almost certainly has other people playing on his account. Just curious what people's thoughts are on that, and im wondering if that is a factor in his win rate...

On July 19 2010 18:30 citizenwind wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 12:49 Etherone wrote: -first this player ignores the fact that the 470k+ wins do not include the costs he incurred to play so obviously he isn't up 470k live. -second he is a CR coach who never came here except now, and presumably at Myth's request -third even if myth was a provable live solid Tournament winner, he is selling online cashgame coaching, which according to his own friends post he is down 12k -fourth i can't even trust that he was even myth's student, especially without any demonstration of how he improved, or any corroboration by myth. all in all i feel like it is expected of him to come here, defend himself, and clarify everything, especially when not doing so is only going to make it worse, but as i stated before it's his right not to. 1. Actually, his overall wins are more than 470k, I was just quoting the Bluff figure. 2. I can speak for myself. Myth never asked me to say anything. It's also B.S. for people to ask for students to come forward and offer their viewpoint, and then say "Oh Myth asked him." 3. Myth also coaches MTTs and live play. 4. I'm a guest instructor for Cardrunners, for whatever that's worth. The fact that Myth coached me is easily verifiable by many people in the community, including Pooruser. And I have no idea how to demonstrate how I improved. Wanna sweat me? o__0

I call. PM me.

Could everyone just shut up about supply and demand.

The fact that some retard buys something doesn't mean it's worth that price, just like the fact that some people calls off half the stack pf with 54ss might happen, still does not it a good play against any reasonable player. How can some clown come and say stuff like that and then be all smug and go "you're obviously not understanding supply and demand".

The reason he can make people pay that much is his reputation, and if his reputation happens to be flawed for some reason that means that they've in all probability have made a very bad investment considering the marginal utility of their money.

I don't really care though. I'd rather my future villains get coaching from someone like myth then someone else who charges that much and if he happens to ruin CR's rep even more (considering resent scandals) I feel some sadness for Taylor and those guys but I think it might be good for poker.

I fucking love titties.

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Eh deciding not to feed the trolls.

we should've had a cool poll somewhere in the thread... where's floofy when we need him

On July 19 2010 22:37 citizenwind wrote: Eh deciding not to feed the trolls.

On July 19 2010 15:46 Bigbobm wrote: I think one of the points steal city was trying to make that hasn't gotten through is that myth charging $350 is partially a result of his outstanding reputation he has built here and on CR. When he said it made him sick, I don't think it was because he was upset that myth was charging $350 to his students, but that our community (as well as the CR community) essentially vouched for it. Personally, I feel the market should be buyer beware. If myth is charging $350/hr and his students are loving it, that's great. If they didn't like the service or the value of what they paid for, they have no obligation to return. While I think $350/hr is incredibly overpriced, it's probably fit to meet the demand.

This.

I totally agree with the buyer beware thing in most of these scam coach cases. However, some of these coaches are using online reputations and mod status (not just myth, there are many others) directly or indirectly as a tool to get clients. When people see someone's name in red or green, and a lot of posts, they often assume that this person is beyond reproach or is some kind of authority figure. CR is gonna do what they do when coaches are listed. But I think LP would do well to follow the 2+2 model where when you enter the coaches listing forum you get a disclaimer screen where you must agree that 2+2 in no way guarantees the veracity of the claims made by these coaches and any prospective buyer should do their own research etc.

Good idea loco, can someone make a poll? I don't know how to do it but I think its best to keep the options to a minimal.

1. Myth is overcharging
2. Myth is not good enought be coaching at all
3. Myth to continue coaching and for the rate of 350$/h

4. Myth should charge more than $350/h
5. Myth should charge what the fuck he wants to

5. Myth should step down as mod
6. Myth should leave lp being just a myth

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On July 19 2010 23:52 newbie.cjb wrote: 5. Myth should step down as mod 6. Myth should leave lp being just a myth

wtf?

7. Ban Baal

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tutz_x seriously can u stop derailing u moron?