Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 17

$350 per hour and a profit sharing arrangement are two different things and it appears as though the majority of myth's business comes from the profit sharing model. While I agree that the $350 hourly rate seems a bit excessive, I think the profit sharing model that myth designed is extremely fair. His students pay for performance and myth's interests become perfectly aligned with that of the student. Some people might view $10K in compensation as excessive, but I'd much rather pay $10K in variable compensation off of $40K of my own personal profit that an hourly rate.

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Myth is going to rape the tables and no one will ever speak of this thread again

On July 20 2010 07:55 Smuft wrote: Myth is going to rape the tables and no one will ever speak of this thread again

with all these rumours about account sharing, im not so sure about that

cliffs :
-myth is charging 350$ per hour.
-vast majority of myth's students are very pleased with him.
-myth has negative PTR results

wasnt there a blog post by midian like a month ago posting that he
finally managed to get his PTR 0,5/1$ winrate to round 3bb/100
and everyone was like "what a waste of time" "why are you doing that to urself" etc etc.

I've read some guides by myth here @ LP in the past and found them really helpfull.
this thread seems like a really good way to advertise myth's coaching btw.

On July 20 2010 07:55 Smuft wrote: Myth is going to rape the tables and no one will ever speak of this thread again

or he is just going to say he can and will then posts some small graphs on run good sessions like he always has and this thread will slow down before that.

On July 19 2010 17:32 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2010 16:35 flounder44 wrote: hello everyone, I've actually tried to consult Myth in the past about coaching and one of his students in the past about coaching but it never fell through. I will tell you guys my unbiased opinions and what happened during the whole process for each person. For Myth i contacted him and started chatting with him and he seemed pretty nice at first to share a lot of knowledge about non-autopiloting etc. I didn't really bug him too much but it got to the point where if i tried ot show him a HH he would be like sorry it's for paying students only and the rate is 350 hr or some crap. This made me pretty sick too, I dont understand who in their right mind that plays 200nl and under would pay 350 an hr for coaching, but for people who do get coaching for that rate, more power to them. For myth's student it was only 100$ an hr but he played the SAME stakes as me at the time (200nl). I even took a few buyins from him at the 6m table and I'm also on some of the CR videos where he sweated his students. But anyhow i reached a block in poker and contacted this guy for lessons. He seemed really strict and if i was late 1 minute for lesson the whole thing would be off. He didn't explain to me how to work Teamspeak and setup the comp viewer thing where you can see each others comp. He just told me to install the programs which I did. I had already payed the lesson about a week ahead of time and finally when the lesson began I asked him how to work teamspeak and he threw the biggest fit and cancelled the lesson and gave back the 100$. From what i gather these "poker pro teachers" have pretty good people skills and can get their thoughts about the game very effectively which is why they are so popular. It doesn't mean they are winning poker players themselves. Secondly, I kind of get that they feel above everyone and will not take the time to negotiate things unless it's under their terms only. What i get from their attitudes is that they berate everyone and get pissed if people dont think the way they do or dont understand certain things on their level which I think is wrong. Also, I think the rate a teacher charges has to be equivalent to half of what they make on an hourly basis. If X teacher makes 200$ an hr they better only charge 100$ an hr but that's MY opinion only. People who are willing to pay 350 an hr (lol) must be some sick ballers that got money to burn or either brainwashed by these teacher's "greatness". Having said all this im sure Myth and his student are good people in the real world, but they need to reevaluate how much they are charging on this side job they have. I think you are in the wrong here not Myth. Adding someone because you are interested in coaching and then continuously sending hand histories for advice without agreeing on coaching hours is a real douchebaggy thing to do. Like really bad. If you understand so little of courtesy it is not hard to understand someone getting frustrated with you. I'm not really surprised that after getting off with such a bad start things went downhill from there.

Lol? This is why coaching in poker is a joke. Takes very little time to analyze a hand and spend a few minutes talking to a potential student. My guess is Myth doesn't want to come off as a clueless moron and lose that student. There is no other reason.

I've been coached by 3 ppl and read two ebooks. If i paid full price for either of those ebooks i would have went ballistic. They were absoluetly horrible, and i lost so much respect for CTS to put his name on that Let there be ranges crap. Not sure if he cares, but most MSNL grinders who read that book agree with me.

Anyone talking about supply and demand, please. The only reason there is a demand for coaching from myth is from propaganda spewed about how good of a player he is. So he use to be a decent reg back in 08, i actually liked him at my tables. So he charges more than he's ever made per hour for coaching*??????????? People are actually defending this?

*If you can't produce 1000 hours of winning at an hourly, don't claim it as your hourly.

Well I'm glad things are being cleared up...

I don't wanna be a jerk but I need to add that the prima scandal where we lost money myth happened in mid february 2008.... so if you've beaten 5/10 and 10/20 it was probably for 1 month.. unless you played it in 2007 (which is not what your CR profile states)

No comments on anything but I will add that Myth is one of the most upstanding people in poker i've ever met (in life as well). He's a great guy and a loyal friend.

The whole issue isn't whether he's a good guy or a good poker player/coach. The issue is whether or not Myth misrepresented himself to create a 350$/hr demand.

It seems like a very small amount of his clientèle actually pay the 350$, so it's almost a non-issue. If every one of his students has access to Myth's results and still choose to pay the rate that he quotes, there isn't a problem. If Myth were to create fake results or false claims, then there is.

From what I see, It doesn't seem like he's done anything not on the up and up. I have no problems with Myth or his coaching program.

I don't have much to comment, last time I played w/ Myth was ~3 years ago where I had position on him and was playing super aggro. So I remember 3-betting w/ AK in position and he called w/ 22 OOP 250bb deep, and he CC'ed 3 barrels 250bb deep on a 2xx XX board (Slam dunk snap called the river) . I remember he thought I was on tilt (I was just playing very aggro) and he said, "Tom, you'r on tilt dude, as a friend I suggest you take a break" But being a BOSS I decided to keep playing.

did you stop tilting though?

On July 20 2010 13:45 bigredhoss wrote: did you stop tilting though?

I tightened up and took advantage of my poor table image

Did he say that to be a friend, to rub it in, or to get you to leave bc you were 3-betting him out of his seat?

probably all 3, Myth is very clever like that

On July 20 2010 11:40 mcjinzo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 20 2010 07:55 Smuft wrote: Myth is going to rape the tables and no one will ever speak of this thread again or he is just going to say he can and will then posts some small graphs on run good sessions like he always has and this thread will slow down before that.

booom, this.. why not just play 5/10 or 10/20 and put your PTR in the green myth?

lol i remember that session. i really thought tom was tilting and dumping tons of money so i was trying to intervene as a friend bc tom is <3

On July 20 2010 14:50 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 20 2010 11:40 mcjinzo wrote:   On July 20 2010 07:55 Smuft wrote: Myth is going to rape the tables and no one will ever speak of this thread again or he is just going to say he can and will then posts some small graphs on run good sessions like he always has and this thread will slow down before that. booom, this.. why not just play 5/10 or 10/20 and put your PTR in the green myth?

edited out

i'm not rolled for 10/20 and i only play 5/10 when i find good games. so i'm grinding 2/4 and 3/6 and 1/2 rush which is the nuts

How to solve PTR problem:

1. Get trusted friend on 500/1000 HU
2. Chip dump whole roll multiple times
3. Top hat status on PTR

4. Charge $10000/hr for crushing 500/1000.