Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 2

wasn't there a thread a year ago or so questioning myth's losses?
what happened in that one?

thanks naz. it's indeed very questionable to close the thread.

this concerns me and many others here too. we aren't willing to just take people's word that myth is good, we want to see some evidence of it. myth has never shown any consistent results and i think the least he should do is at least give us his side as to why that is.

even if hes a live player now, he became an online poker coach not a live coach, so he has no excuse. being well spoken and creative or whatever else is no indication that he is a winning poker player, and anyone who invests in him should know it to be the case beforehand and if he wishes to put faith in him and believe that hes just running bad then it's his own choice and myth cant be blamed and defined as a hustler.

the main point of concern i see is that plenty of his students or former students might have went elsewhere if they had seen his results, if they are really what those graphs indicate they are. but because he's built a good reputation people just trust him.

Some food for thought:
Combined total losses = -10.7k
On diagnols, hes down 15.5k at 10/20
On techknowledgy, hes down 5340 combined at 10/20 and 25/50
So factoring out 10/20+, hes up 10k

i play mostly live

i've dumped a bunch of money being a retard online in the past year or so, but i'm getting sick of all this crap about my PTRs so i've started a quest to save Diagonals. here's results since june 1.

laptop:
desktop:

more results to be posted in the coming months

fear not guys

how are you "saving" diagonals by playing rush which doesn't even show up on PTR?

anyway i doubt being an ok winner at nl 1-2 rush in the following months is gonna justify charging $350/h holy fucking crap...

Go Myth. Obviously most people believe in you but PTR is like a business card now so go grind

I think he's coached enough people now that his results in poker aren't as relevant as his results in coaching. Ask his students if his coaching has helped them and if it was worth the price. If they say it was worth it then he's a good coach. If they say it's a scam and he never introduced any new concepts or opened their mind to new things that helped them think about how they play poker, then he's a bad coach. He's coached a lot of people here though and I've never heard anything negative about his coaching.

Reminds me of this

I took an hour of myth's coaching maybe 2 years back and he didnt teach me anything and was probably a worse player than i was, which is why I stopped getting any further lessons. I believe there are plenty of people like me who take an hour lesson then dont see it as much help but can't really be bothered to label it as a scam so to speak.

All in all i find myth to be a player that is yards behind his reputation in terms of skill. I mean what kind of pro player gets staked in tournaments both live and online, and also in live cashgames(source: his blog on lp), that is really unheard for a "PRO" especially someone as famous for his skill as myth. He might come up with a counter argument saying that he is getting staked only temporarily due to being busto or some what, but the truth is any good player can make 150k from like a 50$ deposit online in a year even I did it. Why couldnt he just grind out half a year and have 75k or more to back him self.

I dont know about other highstakes players but I find his hand discussion to be very much wrong and often perceive it as a level.

Maybe im just jealous that this guy is getting payed so much for being clueless but there is my rant.

On July 18 2010 09:08 dandydolly wrote: All in all i find myth to be a player that is yards behind his reputation in terms of skill. I mean what kind of pro player gets staked in tournaments both live and online, and also in live cashgames(source: his blog on lp), that is really unheard for a "PRO"

Yeah, there's no pro out there that sells shares or gets staked for tournaments. Not a single one. There's no share selling on LP with good pros, there's no staking of competent players and there's obviously no reason not to just grind from a 50$ bankroll.

Have you ever actually lurked around ever in the poker community?

Now let me start off by saying that you don't have to be a good player or have good online results to justify being a coach. Some of the best coaches may not be the best players due to tilt issues etc. However, with that being said I think you need to have a good coaching record of a couple of guys who are class players who will vouch for your coaching ability. I think a coach needs to provide some proof of their ability. Be it total money they have (bc of live play), a good coaching record, or quality results at the tables.

I hate to say it but 1/2 is a stake that most people would be a little embarrassed to log 100k hands at. It is not really proof of ability to have played that much 1/2 and especially 1/2 rush. Live results in some way should be posted in some way or have a good player say "this coaching really helped me" in the way many good players have w/ other coaches.

Honestly his PTRs don't look that bad if he's a live guy who messes around online. As stupid as it sounds I think a SS of a 6 fig bank statement or whatever to prove live ability would be solid proof that could justify 350/hr.

imo, cardrunners, is a total scam. 70-80% of there videos are winning videos. it seems that these players handpick the videos.

maynard, that's just silly. myth has made some nice cashes in tourneys and could easily do that if he hasn't blown through all of it yet, but that's quite easy to do and he's gotten staked to do so. it's not a proof of ability. he didn't even get into those tournaments by having put hard work online and having built a nice bankroll to play tourneys, he was just fortunate enough to be friends with a rich dude willing to stake people. in fact his whole poker career seems to have taken off only for the fact that hes gotten staked by peachy in the past, same for frinkx, who's admitted being in a terrible position and how peachy's stake "saved him".

you don't see any competent grinder with really good results online charge exorbitant prices for coaching - it seems only tourney/live donks feel they can pull it off unsuspiciously. putting in hard work and not being lucky humbles someone and they generally feel a moral obligation not to abuse other people's naiveté, and because hey... we can actually make some decent money without having to do so.

i think the most important thing is to listen to what his students have to say, if they're happy with his coaching abilities I think that should more or less be the end of the discussion. fact is, some people are better at coaching than actually playing, that goes for other venues as well, not just poker. and vice versa. as a sidenote i could absolutely never coach anyone, i dont have it in me.

certainly i think anyone who's charging tree fiddy/hour should be able to consistently beat 1/2, but those PTR stats have what, 150k hands, it's not unheard of to have long stretches like that of running below average.

i dunno, i'm torn between what Loco and Maynard are saying, both have good points. Myth hasn't really responded point by point, i'd like to hear more from him. this is particularly interesting because it's Myth, one of the most well known players/coaches on this site. Yeah, def keep this thread open.

On July 18 2010 09:54 Loco wrote: maynard, that's just silly. myth has made some nice cashes in tourneys and could easily do that if he hasn't blown through all of it yet, but that's quite easy to do and he's gotten staked to do so. it's not a proof of ability. he didn't even get into those tournaments by having put hard work online and having built a nice bankroll to play tourneys, he was just fortunate enough to be friends with a rich dude willing to stake people. in fact his whole poker career seems to have taken off only for the fact that hes gotten staked by peachy in the past, same for frinkx, who's admitted being in a terrible position and how peachy's stake "saved him". you don't see any competent grinder with really good results online charge exorbitant prices for coaching - it seems only tourney donks feel they can pull it off unsuspiciously. putting in hard work and not being lucky humbles someone and they generally feel a moral obligation not to abuse other people's naiveté, and because hey... we can actually make some decent money without having to do so.

FWIW most tournament players make it through a lucky score + staking. Some sort of proof could be shown. If guy staking his claim as a live pro some proof of victories should be shown. Thats all I'm really saying.

Most good grinders don't coach unless they really love talking about the game and helping people anyway. They're more concerned with working on their own skills than coaching.

Coaches charge far too much. They are targeting the players who play the lower stakes who need help who can really only afford an hour. Many coaches seem to look for that 1 hr session then out. The players who can afford more know better than to pay that much. I hardly see some long term coaching arrangements to really help a person. I think if I ever tried coaching I would charge a low hourly + percentage cut over a certain period of time. That way I would be invested in really helping that person improve and they could afford it.

On July 18 2010 09:08 dandydolly wrote: [. I mean what kind of pro player gets staked in tournaments both live and online, and also in live cashgames(source: his blog on lp), that is really unheard for a "PRO" especially someone as famous for his skill as myth. He might come up with a counter argument saying that he is getting staked only temporarily due to being busto or some what, but the truth is any good player can make 150k from like a 50$ deposit online in a year even I did it. Why couldnt he just grind out half a year and have 75k or more to back him self. I dont know about other highstakes players but I find his hand discussion to be very much wrong and often perceive it as a level.

wtf there are many many maaany people known for being sick players who get staked at live tournaments. i wont name anyone because it would be unethical, but ask any staker and they will name a few

On July 18 2010 09:28 Maynard! wrote: I hate to say it but 1/2 is a stake that most people would be a little embarrassed to log 100k hands at.

disagree with this. some players are happy playing 1/2 for years, knowing that the money they will win here is way above what they could realistically make at most other jobs. not everyone wants to climb the ladder to high stakes and deal with the stress it will always eventually bring when you have that killer downswing. i've played more than 100k hands at 1/2 in 2010 alone, i dont feel the slightest bit embarrassed about this and if i run bad at 2/4 (my current limit) i will have absolutely no problem moving down to reorganize my shit

Myth is an awesome, awesome dude and has never done me wrong. Not by a long shot. Other people can critique his poker skills since I'm not really in a position to do so.

On July 18 2010 09:08 dandydolly wrote: All in all i find myth to be a player that is yards behind his reputation in terms of skill. I mean what kind of pro player gets staked in tournaments both live and online, and also in live cashgames(source: his blog on lp), that is really unheard for a "PRO" especially someone as famous for his skill as myth. He might come up with a counter argument saying that he is getting staked only temporarily due to being busto or some what, but the truth is any good player can make 150k from like a 50$ deposit online in a year even I did it. Why couldnt he just grind out half a year and have 75k or more to back him self. .

like half