Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 27

i agree with PU, he's obv charing that much because people are willing to pay that much
don't really see how you have any argument there

myth nailed my leaks in his long post.
and I remember I really liked myth's vid posted on this site in like '08 when I started out, so I'm sure he has something to offer to certain players.

If people are happy about him as a coach then let it be, I think the general point of questioning [vital]myth's coaching program has gotten through the majority of the posters here.

350$/hour seems a bit much compared to much cheaper rates out there, but I'm happy having him around on LP.

Nice job wobbly. you always have a way of proving that your a moron. Coaching babs and kiwikaki has to be the highlight. Question is, was 12k really worth it to take 400k out of midstakes pool? I truly wonder...

200$ isnt arbitary, it is with almost certainty how much an hour of my time costs, and yes u can treat it as a business and add a nice profit for your self. I'm sure people would pay 350$/h for coaching from me, and thats justifiable given i am actually a good player and a good coach with good results. What results or justification besides his eloquence in speech does he have?

On September 06 2010 17:50 AndrewSong wrote: Nice job wobbly. you always have a way of proving that your a moron. Coaching babs and kiwikaki has to be the highlight. Question is, was 12k really worth it to take 400k out of midstakes pool? I truly wonder...

hehe its besides the point, babs was a really good irl friend for 5-6 years, and kiwikaki was a friend from war3 and i had 4k left in my account after a big cash out and a 10k downswong.

No it wasn't worth, but I dont try to be an asshole off the table. Why do you think i sold you my wcoop action at 1:1, when i can easily get 1.3:1.

well if we got anything from this is how great of players are donald and wobbly, based on their own self evaluation nonetheless. However I fail to see what it has to do with myth...

On September 06 2010 18:04 EvilSky wrote: well if we got anything from this is how great of players are donald and wobbly, based on their own self evaluation nonetheless. However I fail to see what it has to do with myth...

Do you know how to fucking read at all?
i'll summarize for you since ur so bad at reading.

1. wobbly teaches 3 people
2. 3 successful students
3. myth teaches 509350 students
4. 0 success

yada yada yada.

Myth's posts on this website have helped me massively and I am low stakes player.

Myth. why dont you take a mid stakes player from here and coach them on profit share and then post their results.

Irrespective of PTR ratings if a coach makes you profitable then that is the yardstick you should measure them by?

Easy proof to all the doubters..........

ur just proving my point... the fuck does this have to do with you? other then to stroke your own ego this doesnt add anything to the only relevant matter at hand that is if myth can or cant beat the stakes he coaches.

Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical?

unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world.

EvilSky, the point of this thread is to look into the credibility of Myth's coaching and if it's worth the $$.

He brings his data to help prove his point. If he had no coaching history, he wouldn't have the right to say the words he's saying.


I don't know coaching rates, but if I decide to get coaching, I'm going to do RESEARCH before I decide on the coach. It's up to ME to choose the right coach. If someone asked me to coach them for $350/hr, I'd say yes, even though I knew it was a bad idea.


This thread isn't going to go anywhere.

the last myth post is a great example of what myth does. He goes onto a poker forum, sees something that is mentioned a few times... in this case

"if people check back a lot you should adapt by leading into them"

and then taking that sentence that every 100nl player should already know and turning it into a 15 minute conversation with dialogue (and in his post a 3 or 4 paragraph post)

I think most good players would say that sentence in one second and move on. I mean by the time you get to paragraph two you should be talking about if your villain checks behind only CERTAIN types of flops if so what kind... and about how to make pre emptive adaptations vs players who seem to be regs... for instance we know that 98s7s or J9s8s boards are often checked back, so even in a vacuum we should lead them more often... and on and on and on with all the useful implications of that.

Instead he simply says the one sentence that you hear all the time... and even many 25nl players who read forums will be more than familiar with... and he surrounds it by paragraphs and paragraphs of essentially fluff.

On September 06 2010 18:24 Baal wrote: Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical? unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world.

I agree with ur analogy. There's plenty of people charging premiums teaching real estate. Most of them being one shot wonders who got very lucky from soft market. If it's anyone's fault, it's myths. I'm sure that myth was once a above average mid-high player that could charge 300/hr if he pushes it. Unfortunately, he let the game pass him by and now people are pointing fingers at him for being a crook. I'm sure myth still has a lot to offer when it comes to teaching poker. But $350/hr is outrageous in a moral standpoint. Myth is a instructor from one of the leading training sites in the coaching industry. With that, he's abusing his reputation to grab much money as possible from low stakes grinders who is clueless about the coaching market. Judging from his PTR, his hourly can't come close to even 100/hr in online mid-high field. It's obvious he was gonna get outted soon or later. It was bad business in his end and he's being criticized for it. His approach to coaching may have been good in short-term(money wise), it clearly was a bad move in the long run. I'm pretty sure anyone who has read this thread would not go to him for coaching(at least for that price).

myth avoided my question in his blog so I will state it here.

We all know that neilly is a huge losing cash player.

Let's say neilly who has been around for many years and knows enough to beat low stake tourneys were to make give a lesson. Let's say he's very well spoken and can dance around an idea like you have just shown. Do you think a 1/2 player would know that neilly is FOS always? He isn't as eloquent as you but given his knowledge of a few things and poker terminology and concepts if his language abilities were up to the task someone of his qualifications or lack there of could certainly pull the chain of a 1/2 player... especially when given the trappings of authority. Would neilly teaching a 1/2 player like you do be considered unethical? How is your case any different.

Will you really provide grind ring again? If you have a downswing will you stop? How many hands in how many days at what limits will you do?

why were you acting secretive inthe AIM conversation? Why could you "not say more" aside from "my PTRs are sick fish man"?

You say it's because I'm a stranger and not privy to anything but you are acting cordial first and then say "it's not personal".. how is this explained?

Why would you not answer the questions if you are upfront with your students about your PTRs presumably before you sign them up for something?

27 pages of too much caring.

On September 06 2010 18:35 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2010 18:24 Baal wrote: Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical? unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world. I agree with ur analogy. There's plenty of people charging premiums teaching real estate. Most of them being one shot wonders who got very lucky from soft market. If it's anyone's fault, it's myths. I'm sure that myth was once a above average mid-high player that could charge 300/hr if he pushes it. Unfortunately, he let the game pass him by and now people are pointing fingers at him for being a crook. I'm sure myth still has a lot to offer when it comes to teaching poker. But $350/hr is outrageous in a moral standpoint. Myth is a instructor from one of the leading training sites in the coaching industry. With that, he's abusing his reputation to grab much money as possible from low stakes grinders who is clueless about the coaching market. Judging from his PTR, his hourly can't come close to even 100/hr in online mid-high field. It's obvious he was gonna get outted soon or later. It was bad business in his end and he's being criticized for it. His approach to coaching may have been good in short-term(money wise), it clearly was a bad move in the long run. I'm pretty sure anyone who has read this thread would not go to him for coaching(at least for that price).

It seems to me that those arguing in favour of him in this thread take a standpoint analogous to this statement

If a fortune teller, a fake quack of a doctor, or any charlatan sells a product, as long as the customers are willing to pay for that product then there is nothing bad that is done.

On September 06 2010 18:46 lucifer wrote: 27 pages of too much caring.

i don't think so, once a few predatory coaches (as they're called on 2p2) get called out, the sites will start to care about those that they hire as coaches and I won't feel as dirty about being a part of this poker world.

I can bet large chunk of money that Myth's game will improve so much after this. in before myth's 6 digit graphs.

On September 06 2010 18:35 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2010 18:24 Baal wrote: Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical? unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world. I agree with ur analogy. There's plenty of people charging premiums teaching real estate. Most of them being one shot wonders who got very lucky from soft market. If it's anyone's fault, it's myths. I'm sure that myth was once a above average mid-high player that could charge 300/hr if he pushes it. Unfortunately, he let the game pass him by and now people are pointing fingers at him for being a crook. I'm sure myth still has a lot to offer when it comes to teaching poker. But $350/hr is outrageous in a moral standpoint. Myth is a instructor from one of the leading training sites in the coaching industry. With that, he's abusing his reputation to grab much money as possible from low stakes grinders who is clueless about the coaching market. Judging from his PTR, his hourly can't come close to even 100/hr in online mid-high field. It's obvious he was gonna get outted soon or later. It was bad business in his end and he's being criticized for it. His approach to coaching may have been good in short-term(money wise), it clearly was a bad move in the long run. I'm pretty sure anyone who has read this thread would not go to him for coaching(at least for that price).

These are my exacts thoughs, Myth is no fish he has solid fundamentals but poker surpassed him when he "quit" online poker and the fact he has a big status as cardrunners instructor allows him to overcharge people who are just clueless.