Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 28

Some of you guys are writing novels here. I wonder why you care so much that myth overcharges.

On September 06 2010 18:24 Baal wrote: Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical? unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world.

On March 01 2010 17:09 Baal wrote: anyone getting scammed in these days is a retard who deserves to loose their money, seriously.

scams and ripoffs happen all the time even when there is so much information out there. people are just stupid and don't take the time to research shit beforehand
seems to me none of myth's students asked for graphs or results before signing up. they prolly never even compared rates between different coaches. their fault

On September 06 2010 19:38 hellokittery wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2010 18:24 Baal wrote: Nobody argues that myth can or cannot charge whatever he wants, but i mean, you see people selling stupid placebos diet pills on infomercials and you think "what a fucking scam"... so isnt it a bit hypocritical? unless you are totally ok with all the bullshit lies sold on the world.   On March 01 2010 17:09 Baal wrote: anyone getting scammed in these days is a retard who deserves to loose their money, seriously. scams and ripoffs happen all the time even when there is so much information out there. people are just stupid and don't take the time to research shit beforehand seems to me none of myth's students asked for graphs or results before signing up. they prolly never even compared rates between different coaches. their fault

So it always the fault of the victim of a scam? and while yeah they have some responsibility for their stupidity so does the scamer for obvious reasons.


So the "myth can charge anything he likes" is not a valid argument unless you are totally ok with fake placebo diet pills etc, you would have a stupid view of life but at least you would be consistent on your dog eat dog mentality.

i didn't really read much of this thread at all but i have some thoughts swirling around. wobbly and company. no one likes you. you are just reaffirming and worsening your terrible at life complete douchebag nittery image. it seems perfectly fine to review/discuss/police any service out in the open but anytime you bring yourselves or your business into the equation it just looks awful and pathetic. stop embarrassing yourselves w/ these obnoxious blocks of words. i mean a lot of what i was reading was thinly veiled brags/advertising about how valuable your time is. certainly you can spend it better than reminding everyone why they dislike you.

Buyer beware. Close thread.

On September 06 2010 21:18 RiKD wrote: i didn't really read much of this thread at all but i have some thoughts swirling around. wobbly and company. no one likes you. you are just reaffirming and worsening your terrible at life complete douchebag nittery image. it seems perfectly fine to review/discuss/police any service out in the open but anytime you bring yourselves or your business into the equation it just looks awful and pathetic. stop embarrassing yourselves w/ these obnoxious blocks of words. i mean a lot of what i was reading was thinly veiled brags/advertising about how valuable your time is. certainly you can spend it better than reminding everyone why they dislike you.

exactly this.

On September 06 2010 17:51 wobbly_au wrote: 200$ isnt arbitary, it is with almost certainty how much an hour of my time costs, and yes u can treat it as a business and add a nice profit for your self. I'm sure people would pay 350$/h for coaching from me, and thats justifiable given i am actually a good player and a good coach with good results. What results or justification besides his eloquence in speech does he have?

oh my god you are seriously one of the biggest tools on this site. we get it, you're good at poker and you're worth a lot of money.

On July 21 2010 21:30 Maynard! wrote: Na. He bans too many people. He's better when he has to rage through messages rather than banning.

True, i got a 2 week ban for calling him a smelly Mexican. Not including his excess of bans, hes an alright poster

i want all the people defending myth to come forward and tell us what they think his coaching is worth.

anytime one of you recommends Myth as a coach over a MORE WINNING player(for the same price or less), you are using deception

even if myth can explain things better than anyone else in the world, its still not worth it.

a marginal winner explaining his strategy in the utmost detail is far far worst than a great player with only mediocre explanation skills. DUCY?

the way i see it, myth overcharges and realizes it. myths friends know he overcharges and are fine with it, some of them even recommend him as a coach because he is "good" and he is of course their friend. they want to see him succeed in one form or another.

i just feel bad for his students, as they really are getting scammed IMO(paying WAY TOO MUCH based off of false info and testimonials)

even if victims are fools... do we still not call out and ban scammers? And I think victims are at least less fools in this case because he is endorsed by CardRunners. CardRunners has a responsibility here.

jesus fucking christ ok this is tilting me and i'm drunk so i'll go ahead and rant for a second..

MYTH IS NOT SCAMMING ANYONE. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDDING ME? All of his students can do their own fucking research on coaches and choose WHOEVER THEY WANT. HE ISN'T PUTTING A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD AND FORCING THEM TO PAY HIM YOU IDIOTS.

oh and before someone uses the 'WHAT IF IT WAS NEILLY' argument, I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT ANYONE WHO IS COACHING OR DOING WHATEVER. IT'S THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND STEAL CITY/ WOBBLY FAGGOT get fucking lives guys and quit trying to be the internet poker coaching police.

EVEN IF myth was as bad a player/coach as you claim, then why on earth would you NOT want him coaching regs? I just don't get it all of your posts/points are so fucking backwards/retarded/have nothign to do with you omfg tilt. People like you are so fucking pathetic this literally has 0 effect on your lives but you probably spent at least 10 hours of work researching / posting / bashing myth b/c your'e a loser and have nothing better to do with your time.

/end rant.

Cliffs : Wobbly is a faggot who no one likes, steal city is a loser who has too much time on his hands.

and yes, I love Myth and consider him a great friend/person so if I sound biased kiss my ass and suck my dick.

i like wobbly better when he was still dandydolly

i dont have much to add but i ran into a girl who is randomly a roommate of an old friend of mine who went to school with myth and confirmed he is a sick presence at parties particularly ones involving water slides in dorms or something i wasnt really listening well to be honest.

myth apparently is internationally famous tho.

haters gonna hate?

On September 06 2010 22:07 Steal City wrote: even if victims are fools... do we still not call out and ban scammers? And I think victims are at least less fools in this case because he is endorsed by CardRunners. CardRunners has a responsibility here.

bring it up w/ cardrunners then. i'm sure if it's as monumental of an issue as you guys make it out to be they will sort it out.

On September 06 2010 22:09 BigRed0000 wrote: EVEN IF myth was as bad a player/coach as you claim, then why on earth would you NOT want him coaching regs?

hahahahahaha fail

for clarification, i do not think of myth as a scammer. i think having the information on his cr profile of him being a high/mid stakes winner or w/e is wrong, but he's explained that as outdated information and offered to give full refunds to anybody who was misled by that. besides that i don't really see him making any false claims or anything so unless i'm missing something, i don't really see a problem in any of this

On September 06 2010 22:09 BigRed0000 wrote: EVEN IF myth was as bad a player/coach as you claim, then why on earth would you NOT want him coaching regs?

facepalm

Cliffs : Wobbly is a faggot who no one likes, steal city is a Winner who has too much time on his hands. and yes, I love Myth and consider him a great friend/person so if I sound biased kiss my ass and suck my dick.

FYP

Close this retarded thread already. It's going round in circles, neither side of the arguement is adding anything new at all. It should only remain open to see what new level wobbly can take faggotry to. Your on a roll with the (not so thinly) veiled brags of late wobbly, 5k to charity, cash out 150k and super coach. Maybe the 150k was to buy some modesty and humility?

On September 06 2010 18:33 Steal City wrote: the last myth post is a great example of what myth does. He goes onto a poker forum, sees something that is mentioned a few times... in this case "if people check back a lot you should adapt by leading into them" and then taking that sentence that every 100nl player should already know and turning it into a 15 minute conversation with dialogue (and in his post a 3 or 4 paragraph post) I think most good players would say that sentence in one second and move on. I mean by the time you get to paragraph two you should be talking about if your villain checks behind only CERTAIN types of flops if so what kind... and about how to make pre emptive adaptations vs players who seem to be regs... for instance we know that 98s7s or J9s8s boards are often checked back, so even in a vacuum we should lead them more often... and on and on and on with all the useful implications of that. Instead he simply says the one sentence that you hear all the time... and even many 25nl players who read forums will be more than familiar with... and he surrounds it by paragraphs and paragraphs of essentially fluff.

Good to see that you recognise all students are different and have different learning styles with different rates of knowledge absorption. What might seem like "fluff" to you may drive home a point for someone else. Where you may be able to absorb something by hearing it once someone else might need it said multiple times, see it in written form and then practise it. Not all people learn the same, I won't even bother going into it but there is also the problem of just because someone knows a concept doesn't mean they can apply it in the correct manner.

Posted this on the Myth blog referenced in this thread. Re-posting it here for discussion.

Steal City makes one very significant point in his posts. Myth correct me if I'm wrong on this since I'm too lazy to backtrack and source to some of the old original threads where you posted requirements for potential students.

Facts:
1. Myth accepts students that generally play a minimum of 1/2.
2. These students are either slight losers, break-even, or maybe the slightest of winners.
3. Students in the profit-sharing program receive one lesson per month, or was it two? I don't recall.
4. The students Myth selects are competent poker players to begin with.
5. These students selected want to learn and get better at poker. The desire to learn and get better is shown in their seeking of coaching and interest in others points of view on the game.


Myth I'll say bluntly what I think. I think the long-term students you end up selecting would probably succeed with or without your help. I think that if you take a break-even player online at 1/2 or 2/4 and have them play at a pace of 500k hands a year that at some point during that 500k hand stretch they will likely run hot or run ice cold. If they run ice cold you don't make any money. If however they run hot then you net your 10k in profit sharing regardless of whether they actually benefited from your coaching or not. Arranging such a long-term situation is massively beneficial for you rather than for the student. Whether your coaching helps or not if you have players that are dedicated to learning and getting better they will very likely see improvement over the course of a year especially if they are putting in solid and consistent volume on the tables.

So what are the main reasons your students sometimes succeed at achieving their goals in poker?

A) The fact that they receive advice on MSN & 2 hours of coaching sessions per month

OR

B) The fact that these players put in significant volume online, are working hard to improve at poker on a consistent basis, care about improving and seeking others points of view, are generally competent poker players to begin with, and lastly that over a length of time like 1-2 years most players will improve if they're doing all of the things previously mentioned.

I'm not saying that your coaching isn't helpful or beneficial. However I do think the deck is stacked in your favour for a payoff. The students are likely to succeed on the merits of their own efforts to improve their game and get better at poker. Using such a long-time frame virtually guarantees these players will improve if they continue to try and do so for the full length of time. Myth you essentially stand to benefit from people becoming your students whether your coaching was valuable or not.

The only fix for this situation would be to reduce the term of these profit-sharing contracts. Give the students one lesson a week for 2 months. Same profit line of up to 10k within the two month period. If you can help these people achieve these results in such a short term you've likely helped them a lot. If you're taking 10k from people over the course of a year it's less likely that your coaching was the reason for their success. Running hot variance or simple hard work on the students part are far larger contributing factors when you stretch out the time like that.